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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby speising » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:43 am UTC

somitomi wrote:Okay, I do have to ask: what the devil is "4H"?

Ha! I know that, there was a Simpsons episode:

4-H wrote:4-H is a club for children. Its focus is farming and its headquarters is at the Cheddarbarrel Farm and 4-H Center.


(i just assume the real one is similar)

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:09 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:Okay, I do have to ask: what the devil is "4H"?

Farm kids doing farm shit. Tends to skew younger than FFA (due to FFA being a high school thing) but has some overlap. Also runs summer camps, making it a sort of alternative to the religious based ones.

That Simpsons Wiki wrote:Bart had to take oath on The 4-H Guidebook, but the 4-H leader allowed him to skip it, because it was too long.
That sounds about right.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Yakk » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:49 pm UTC

Or, an other analogy: it is like boy/girl scouts, but with cows instead of orienteering.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:01 pm UTC

And less Religion. At least for the Boy Scouts. Not sure if the Girl Scouts give a shit about faith, wouldn't be surprised if they don't. With Boy Scouts, your mileage varies by the troop, but they all officially have it in the US.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby New User » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:24 pm UTC

I've heard from parents of Girl Scouts that the organization exists to exploit child labor to peddle their brand of cookies.

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby sardia » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:36 pm UTC

New User wrote:I've heard from parents of Girl Scouts that the organization exists to exploit child labor to peddle their brand of cookies.

Exploits child labor in a multi level marketing scheme?

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby SecondTalon » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:11 pm UTC

I will admit to not knowing enough about the internal structure of the Girl Scouts to say one way or the other, but... it seems weird to me that, if they're exploiting their labor to push cookies, wouldn't they have cookie drives more than once a year? Quarterly maybe?

Given the demand for them, it already seems like they're leaving money on the table when they don't do that. Though there's the argument that scarcity breeds the demand... but now we're getting off track.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Thesh » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:54 pm UTC

Girl Scouts are a 501(c)(3), meaning tax-exempt non-profit. No money can go to private interests. The Wikipedia article says that the cookies are made by licensed contractors, but the brand is owned by the organization, and most of the money stays within the local Girl Scout council.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Scout_Cookies
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Sungura » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:12 am UTC

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somitomi wrote:Okay, I do have to ask: what the devil is "4H"?

Farm kids doing farm shit. Tends to skew younger than FFA (due to FFA being a high school thing) but has some overlap. Also runs summer camps, making it a sort of alternative to the religious based ones.

That Simpsons Wiki wrote:Bart had to take oath on The 4-H Guidebook, but the 4-H leader allowed him to skip it, because it was too long.
That sounds about right.

I did it for 10 years (cloverbuds are the really young kids) and our fair had a lot of art, science, etc categories too. It was huuuuge. It was great. Entries were $1.50. If you gave a crap youd get an A premium ribon (a b c were options) and all As paid out $3. I often entered in computer science , rocketry, airplanes, photography, tons differenr aet categories (ink charcoal pastel oil etc etc), biology, chemistry, and more.

Farm categories (animal projects) were more, but winner prizes higher. And meat animals go to market and local butches really support the youth so youd raise a pig and sell it at market after showing and it would make enough to continue the project for the next year. Kinda cool. Sorta capitalistic i suppose, but it turns into a great way for kids to earn cash. And the whole learn how to be responsible thing. I did pocket pets and rabbits.

It really all depends on how big your local 4H fair is. Down here they dont even have a rabbit program.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby suffer-cait » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:27 pm UTC

Girl scout cookies are not an MLM as there just aren't enough levels. The factory makes cookies, the state council buys cookies, the troops buy from the state, and then they sell them.

Technically the GS were founded as Christian. God is mentioned in the "promise" which is like a pledge. Also we say grace before meals. These graces are mostly goofy songs with the word thanks and maybe lord in them. This may burn out soon, as I think it's already not being done in some places.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby New User » Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:45 pm UTC

My oven stopped working a few days ago. The bottom element won't heat. I checked the element, and it seems fine, since it has continuity and will actually get hot if short circuited. I thought I had it trouble-shooted (trouble-shot?) down to a nonfunctional relay. I ordered an identical relay and replaced it today, but the oven still doesn't work. Oddly, the relay I removed seems nonfunctional (shows no continuity in the input circuit) so I don't know why I have the same oven malfunction after installing the new relay. The only other thing I know to do is replace the entire PCB, and I won't be able to get a replacement in time for Thanksgiving. My mother told me that she has a backup plan to cook a casserole in the microwave, but I'm skeptical.

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby sardia » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:08 pm UTC

New User wrote:My oven stopped working a few days ago. The bottom element won't heat. I checked the element, and it seems fine, since it has continuity and will actually get hot if short circuited. I thought I had it trouble-shooted (trouble-shot?) down to a nonfunctional relay. I ordered an identical relay and replaced it today, but the oven still doesn't work. Oddly, the relay I removed seems nonfunctional (shows no continuity in the input circuit) so I don't know why I have the same oven malfunction after installing the new relay. The only other thing I know to do is replace the entire PCB, and I won't be able to get a replacement in time for Thanksgiving. My mother told me that she has a backup plan to cook a casserole in the microwave, but I'm skeptical.

Depending on how desperate you are to have dinner at your place, call a repairman. They might have some spare parts in their truck.

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby poxic » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:29 pm UTC

Or just ask them to bring a cooked turkey and invite them for dinner.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Sableagle » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:29 am UTC

New printer -> printer failure -> try to fix -> fail to fix -> leave power cable out

Injury -> surgery -> put foot up -> power cable is in the way ->
attempt to reconnect cable -> knock stuff over -> blue ink bottle spilled on my leg and the computer table

This morning? Little blue toe-prints on the carpet from here to the bathroom.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby pseudoidiot » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:26 pm UTC

I don't think you're supposed to take the 'blue barnacles' thing quite that seriously.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Sableagle » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:58 pm UTC

I have the blisters, too, from the handles of the crutches.

I think you're supposed to get married before needing surgery so someone else'll be around to do all the walking.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby addams » Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:53 am UTC

Sableagle wrote:This morning? Little blue toe-prints on the carpet from here to the bathroom.
Aww...
Cute.
Very Cute.

Are you going to do the easy thing and keep them?
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby somitomi » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:49 pm UTC

New User wrote:(shows no continuity in the input circuit)

What exactly do you mean by "input circuit", the relay coil or the contacts? Did you try just connecting the coil to the appropriate voltage (usually marked on the relay) and seeing if it clicks? Maybe that's not where the fault lies.
Repairing a circuit board is a bit more difficult, but if you're lucky it's just a busted transistor or something similar, easily* replacebele part

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby New User » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:20 pm UTC

I mean there is no continuity across the relay coil. The relay is 24VDC and I don't have a readily available power source for that kind of test. I could probably replace a transistor, or a resistor, or a capacitor, or something else, if I knew how to troubleshoot the PCB and find the faulty component. But my knowledge and experience of such things is limited, and that is beyond my capability. There is even a largish component on the PCB that I can't identify, but it is labelled "WARNING: Core may be at line potential. Remove before servicing." or somesuch. I'm guessing it's some kind of capacitor.

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Sungura » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:16 am UTC

my camera charger must not be working, as i put on a battery that was down to one bar to charge, and now it wont even flippin' turn on my camera it is that drained...i pull out the last battery I charged on it (charged & put it away) and lo and behold, same thing.
...so glad I got a pentax that will take a AA converter, but wtf, AA's dont last as long in slr's as the lithiums!
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Sableagle » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:57 pm UTC

1:
"In the surveillance mission, the Somali people-trafficker and the Colombian drug-baron arrived at the meeting, but the Saudi Cultural Attaché and the Preacher left it."
"It's randomly generated."
"Sure, but shouldn't the people who arrived at the meeting be the ones who left it? This happened again with two unknown people arriving, and again the Saudi Cultural Attaché and the Preacher left the meeting."
"There's a list of possible meetings, and there are different versions of the same meeting in the list."
"Yes, fine, groovy, but when the Somali people-trafficker and the Colombian drug-baron arrive at a meeting I kind of expect the Somali people-trafficker and the Colombian drug-baron to leave the meeting, and geenrally I don't expect to see the Saudi Cultural Attaché and the Preacher leave the meeting unless the Saudi Cultural Attaché and the Preacher arrived at the meeting."

I'm reporting it as a bug because it's a bug. Somewhere in the bug report, there is a report of a bug. That's the bug I'm reporting, and I'm reporting it as a bug because it's a bug.

2:
Coach: "Punk-ass Hunter spookin' around out there." Rochelle: "Dibs!" *BANG* Rochelle killed Hunter.
*BANG* Ellis killed Charger. Coach: "Charger!"
Coach: "I hear one of -" *BANG* Ellis killed Jockey. Coach: "- Jockeys. If I see it, I'm gonna shoot -" *BANGBANGBANG* Rochelle killed Smoker. Coach: "- out of it." Rochelle: "That one's mine."
Sableagle: {sees Charger, aims, fires}. Ellis: {runs out behind Sableagle} "Charger!" Coach: {runs out in front of Sableagle and stares into his face}.
Hunter: "AAAAAAAA -" *BANG* Ellis killed Hunter.
Charger: "AroooooOOOOOooooo!" {charges, grabs Rochelle, slams her into a wall, starts pounding her on the floor}. Sableagle: {aims at Charger}. Coach: {runs in front of Sableagle, then straight towards the Charger, then stands there staring at it}.
*foomp* Sableagle killed Boomer. Honestly, a target that fat and that fragile, wandering around a firefight? It was bound to happen.
Spitter: "EEEeeeEEEeeeEEE." *BOOM* Coach killed Spitter. Coach: "Yeah, got it!"
Smoker: {grabs Sableagle}. Sableagle: "Shoot the tongue!" Coach, Rochelle and Ellis: " ... " Sableagle: "Shoot the tongue!" Coach, Rochelle and Ellis: " ... " Sableagle: "Shoot the tongue!" Coach, Rochelle and Ellis: " ... " Sableagle: "I can't breathe. Shoot it." Coach, Rochelle and Ellis: " ... "

I'm starting to suspect they do it on purpose.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Sableagle » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:15 pm UTC

That is clearly 7cm each side. The other end was clearly 9cm each side. I can only conclude that I was too pissed off with this velvet to measure even once, let alone twice. This pleat was already going to be tricky. Argh.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby addams » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:38 am UTC

I am angry at Retired General Flynn.
He was trained, educated and given honors by the people of the United States.
In return, he betrayed his nation. He used his education and position for criminality.

I'm angry that he will not be held responsible for his words and actions.
The Blankity Blank-Blank should be Court Marshalled, stripped of rank and like his Chant, "Locked Up!".

How can the men and women in active service maintain respect for their superiors when men like Flynn get a free pass?
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Thesh » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:35 am UTC

Maybe it's time people realize that their superiors aren't actually superior.
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Postby Sableagle » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:09 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:Maybe it's time people realize that their superiors aren't actually superior.
That's something that consistently became more and more obvious with each month I spent in the Army.

They only recruit people young enough to not have already figured it out, you know.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Giant Speck » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:36 pm UTC

I spent an hour in an urgent care center with a deep concern that I had a periodontal abscess and all it turned out to be was some inflammation from a poorly-fit over-the-counter nightguard. I feel stupid now.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Quercus » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:58 am UTC

Giant Speck wrote:I spent an hour in an urgent care center with a deep concern that I had a periodontal abscess and all it turned out to be was some inflammation from a poorly-fit over-the-counter nightguard. I feel stupid now.

I once went to the doctor very concerned that I had an unexplained lump in my foot. The doctor looked my square in the eyes and simply said "that's a muscle". Compared to that your situation is the epitomy of reasonableness.

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby ucim » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:51 pm UTC

Hotel website doesn't accept my mastercard.
Hotel telephone reservations doesn't accept my mastercard.
Hotel says there's nothing wrong with their system, try another card.
Hotel telephone reservations accepts my other mastercard.
The rejected mastercard company says there's nothing wrong with my card, credit, or anything on their end. So it's the merchant (hotel).
The merchant says it went through on the other card and there's nothing wrong with their system - it's a problem on the rejected card's end.

Either way, I have the problem.

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby suffer-cait » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:39 am UTC

Quercus wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:I spent an hour in an urgent care center with a deep concern that I had a periodontal abscess and all it turned out to be was some inflammation from a poorly-fit over-the-counter nightguard. I feel stupid now.

I once went to the doctor very concerned that I had an unexplained lump in my foot. The doctor looked my square in the eyes and simply said "that's a muscle". Compared to that your situation is the epitomy of reasonableness.

Well now I'm even less likely to go to the dr about the lump in my foot.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Quercus » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:44 am UTC

suffer-cait wrote:
Quercus wrote:
Giant Speck wrote:I spent an hour in an urgent care center with a deep concern that I had a periodontal abscess and all it turned out to be was some inflammation from a poorly-fit over-the-counter nightguard. I feel stupid now.

I once went to the doctor very concerned that I had an unexplained lump in my foot. The doctor looked my square in the eyes and simply said "that's a muscle". Compared to that your situation is the epitomy of reasonableness.

Well now I'm even less likely to go to the dr about the lump in my foot.


I mean he did say afterwards that I did the right thing by coming in if I was concerned, and I still maintain that I have a unusually prominent muscle in that foot, so it's not as if the doctor actually mocked me for going to him. Sorry, probably shouldn't have implied that, even for comedic effect.

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Postby somitomi » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:29 pm UTC

I hate when the only way to email a company is through one of those god-awful "contact us" forms. I could live with it if they responded from an address I could reply to and tell them to read my query properly. No such luck, all I got is some useless "help" from a noreply address.
There really should be a law against this, preferably one of those maritime laws that involve tying whoever breaks them to a mast and flogging them.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby sardia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:37 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:I hate when the only way to email a company is through one of those god-awful "contact us" forms. I could live with it if they responded from an address I could reply to and tell them to read my query properly. No such luck, all I got is some useless "help" from a noreply address.
There really should be a law against this, preferably one of those maritime laws that involve tying whoever breaks them to a mast and flogging them.

If it's a famous big company, use Twitter to shame their public Twitter handle. If not, use LinkedIn to email bomb their executives. (Use some educated guesses based on name and company, and then spam all the high level executives about your plight. ) Works best when you have a good sob story. Or are a cute white person.

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby cephalopod9 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:23 am UTC

sardia wrote:If it's a famous big company, use Twitter to shame their public Twitter handle. If not, use LinkedIn to email bomb their executives. (Use some educated guesses based on name and company, and then spam all the high level executives about your plight. ) Works best when you have a good sob story. Or are a cute white person.

I think that's going to vary greatly on the nature of the problem.

also, it might be the best way to do it, but "publicly shame the entire company on the worst digital platform" ...it's the worst. a functioning society should not do this.

We're so close to The Good Future. I keep trying to acquire items, and it's so close to being very easy to just efficiently find a thing, learn about and compare my options, and make a purchase, but it's still not. There's so many options for getting "maybe the thing I want" sent directly to my address in a big cardboard box I don't need, and a bunch of options for "in store pick up" with a bunch of " make an account" steps, and all this new "curbside pick up" stuff that I don't understand why that's a thing stores want to happen. and it's all very close to being easy, and efficient and just good, but it's still not. There's still all these gaps where I feel like no one is directly motivated to make things better. Cardboard and styrofoam are just cheap enough no one's really got an incentive to cut down on it. And my shoes shipped to a Target that's 25 minutes away, instead of one of the 6 other Targets within a 5 mile radius, and I don't know if that's an option I picked or just google trying to be helpful and not understanding the geography of Arizona.

here's a thought. if there's a pedestrian in front of your car, stop your car and leave it stopped. don't creep towards the cross walk, and then wave at me like "of course you're supposed to walk in front of 3,000 pounds of moving metal". Just leave the car all the way stopped for 3 entire seconds.

I've been sayin' it for a while, I'm so ready for "controversial" to be over. It either means "I'm a big asshole, and I want to focus on how people feel about me being an asshole instead of the asshole things I'm doing" or else it means "I'm just tryin' to stay alive and people hate me for it"

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Postby Soot Leopard » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:36 pm UTC

Snow plows!
They're supposed to remove blockage from streets, not become it.
Last night my half-hour drive home from work took two hours because halfway there the lane I needed to be in to go any farther filled up with a kilometer-long bumper-to-bumper line of practically unmoving plows. I had to go all the way back to work just to find another route.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby pogrmman » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:48 am UTC

Shoes are literally the worst.

I’ve never found a truly comfortable pair of shoes (not sandals). Literally every shoe I’ve tried on is way too fucking narrow in the toes. It’s not like I haven’t tried many shoes, either. Why the hell do they make shoes that way? At least on my feet, the toes are the widest point. Ever since I was a little kid, I’ve had to buy wide shoes just so I can fit my toes into them without causing unreasonable discomfort. Even then, it only buys a little extra space (I’ve split the seams on the sides of the toebox on many shoes). What’s worse is that my heel isn’t very wide, so every pair of shoes has to really be tightened down or my feet move too much.

Also, they wear out way too fucking fast. It hasn’t mattered whether they’re a $30 pair or a $140 pair. They always are worn out (usually the sides of the toe area are splitting and the inner sole is worn to hell) within 6 months or so. It’s not like I put that much stress on them! I’m 160 lbs, and despite walking everywhere, I go to a small school so that’s maybe 1-2 miles a day. Not really that far. At home, I maybe walk further, but it’s not like I’m doing 5+ miles a day of walking. What kills me worst is the soles on the outside of the shoe are usually fine! The only shoes I’ve had last more than a year of regular use are my Chacos (which are sandals that I’ve had for like 7 years now, worn probably 200ish days a year on average).

As soon as I can, I always take my shoes off. They’re awful things — cramped and sweaty. I’d go barefoot or in sandals a lot more, but that has issues. Here at school, I’d be at major risk for frostbite and I also have a bunch of labs where I can’t wear open-toed shoes. Back home, I can (and do) wear sandals or go barefoot a lot, but there’s still disadvantages like sunburn and fucking fire ants (bastards).

Don’t even get me started on how much I hate men’s dress shoes — it’s all of the above problems multiplied like 5x (I can’t imagine how awful women’s dress shoes must be...)

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Sungura » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:31 am UTC

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I do a lot of wilderness SAR - and know two guys who have very wide toes and small ankle, and small feet overall, one a bunion makes toes even *wider* and shoes quickly painful. Swears by keens. They last quite a while. We wear the crap out of our boots in wilderness backcountry on rough rocky terrain multiple times a *week* and they go 2-3 years. Most keens look nice enough for work too unless you need special fancy shoes. The women on our team who need wide and spacious toe areas also swear by keens. I have average feet, and hate keens because they have too much space for my foot, lol.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Pfhorrest » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:41 am UTC

Seconding all of those complaints about shoes. I used to go barefoot everywhere, and only really started wearing shoes all the time (at least when not at home/work [same thing] at my desk, or asleep, which is like... 20 hours a day altogether) the past couple of years, and goddamn I've bought as many shoes in the past couple of years as I did in like the decade and a half prior to that. I am overweight, and I do hike a lot, but yeah the fucking toes thing man has haunted me since childhood (I think my childhood shoes actually warped the growth of my toes), and the expensive shoes wear out as fast as the cheap ones. I don't even really need "support" or padding any kind of fancy structure, I just need a layer underneath to keep sharp things from puncturing my skin (or hot things from burning it), and a layer above to keep dirt off of my feet, they can be otherwise just like socks for all I care (and really I'd prefer if they were), I don't mind feeling the rough structure or texture of the things I'm walking on. I can't imagine ancient peoples who walked all the fucking time went through shoes this quickly, they couldn't afford to, so why the fuck can't we space men make some simple fucking things to protect our goddamn feet a bit?
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby PAstrychef » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:37 am UTC

Eastern European shoes tend to have a wider toe box. Rockports are especially narrow, as are most shoes built on an Italian last (the firm the shoe is constructed around) Birkenstocks are good, and I also like keens. If your feet have stopped growing, you might consider custom made shoes. Yes they will be expensive. However, they will fit comfortably, should be extremely well made and last for decades. Amortizing the cost, given that you only get one set of feet and they have to last your entire life, may well be worth the initial outlay.
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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Quercus » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:07 pm UTC

pogrmman wrote:Shoes are literally the worst.

I’ve never found a truly comfortable pair of shoes (not sandals). Literally every shoe I’ve tried on is way too fucking narrow in the toes. It’s not like I haven’t tried many shoes, either. Why the hell do they make shoes that way? At least on my feet, the toes are the widest point.


My dad has feet that spread out at the toes quite a bit, and he swears by BÄR shoes. Says they are the most comfortable shoes he has ever worn. Might be worth a shot if the international shipping isn't too expensive: https://www.baer-shoes.com/

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Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Postby Ranbot » Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:33 pm UTC

pogrmman wrote:...every shoe I’ve tried on is way too fucking narrow in the toes...


Quercus wrote:My dad has feet that spread out at the toes quite a bit...


You also might want to check out Altra shoes too. https://www.altrarunning.com/why-altra.html

The wide toe-box is one of Altra's trademark features* across all their shoes. Altra shoe toes look more like a paddle than a point. I am a casual runner and I have a wide foot... I discovered Altra a few years ago and I love them. Their main business is running shoes, but have some casual shoes too. I haven't tried any of their casual shoes, but I would expect good things. If anyone remembers the barefoot/minimalist/natural running fad of a few years ago, Altra was sort of a reaction to that trend. They try to keep the foot completely flat and give the toes room to splay in a natural way like being barefoot, but still protect the foot with covering, padding, and tread of a shoe. Those concepts make sense to me, but more importantly the shoes are really comfortable on my wide feet.

* - Altra's other feature is all of their shoes are "zero-drop" a term I think they are credited with coining for the running world. Basically the foot is flat across the sole. Most shoes raise your heel a little higher than your toe, which some think creates subtle muscle/tendon weakness making one more prone to injuries. Although it's still debated among runners and probably irrelevant to non-runners.
Pfhorrest wrote:I used to go barefoot everywhere.... I don't even really need "support" or padding any kind of fancy structure, I just need a layer underneath to keep sharp things from puncturing my skin (or hot things from burning it), and a layer above to keep dirt off of my feet...

For a really minimalist take there's this.... http://us.vibram.com/shop/fivefingers/
I'd rather have a real shoe though.


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