SecondTalon wrote:Spoiler:So it's been a bit since I've seen Thor 2. Reading over the synopsis of the plot on Wikipedia and... I honestly don't see how it changes much. It changes what they use as bait, but it doesn't have to change much of the overall plot for it to no longer be in Jane.
My point being - those are the only three events that actually change things. 2014 Thanos dying early, Capt. living his life and presumably telling goddamn everyone about Hydra to root them out in the late 40s/early 50s, and the timeline we saw (or hell, going nuts and Hydraing Hydra - that is, infiltrating the evil organization in the good organization and making it secretly good). Everything else that people bring up - But what about the Aether in Jane how do they get it blah blah doesn't fucking matter if it's in Jane, Jane was just a plot device. A stone inna tube is also a plot device. You could replace Jane in the film with the stone in a tube and the same basic beats will still happen (probably one of the reasons why Portman bailed on the thing too). And depending on whether or not time is self-correcting, two timelines as the one where Thanos gets killed early and the one where Capt. spends his life do not interact with each other in any meaningful way. We don't hear Thanos talk about his first attempt to invade Earth by use of Loki in the 2014 instance. It may have been an even larger rout than it was in the version we saw, though it ultimately doesn't matter.
My point being - people keep using the Ancient One's speech as 100% irrefutable proof that each time they took a stone a whole different reality was created. My point is - I'm not saying Banner's explanation was perfect, but it was good enough - the difference between a timeline where a stone was always there and a timeline where a stone was removed for a couple of seconds is zero. The 2011 Battle of New York we saw played out differently (Loki escaped), so it's in a different timeline But I see no reason to believe the 1970 we saw was not the 1970 that happened for the 2023 Avengers.
Original timeline - events play out as we saw on the screen.
Diversion Point 1 - Steve Rogers returns to 194X and lives to some future time.
Diversion Point 2 - Loki grabs the Space Stone and fucks off to wherever.
Mystery Moment - Thanos travels from 2014 to 2023.
The Mystery Moment could have happened on the same line as Diversion Point 1 or 2, though I accept that it could be its own diversion point. Either way, we're dealing with as few as two timelines and as many as four. I simply cannot see anything significant enough happening elsewhere to warrant a whole new timeline without also accepting that every single instance of momentary indecision by anyone in any of the films - on or off camera - birthed a whole new timeline in which one minor fact was slightly different and nothing else changed and that's quite frankly boring and unnecessary. Everything "new" we saw - Aether getting pulled from Jane, Peter being knocked out before he gets the Power Stone, Loki fucking off with the Space Stone, Captain America kicking Captain America's ass - can all fit on Diversion Point 2's timeline without any issues. And if we allow for Steve Hydraing Hydra, all the differences fit on one other timeline.
Thanos traveling though definitely is the same timeline they stole the Power and Soul stones from. It can't be the same timeline Cap lives his life with Peggy in, because him living with Peggy happens BEFORE Thanos leaves, so its ANOTHER branch regardless. Loki escaping also occurs before Thanos leaves (Avengers 1 occurs before Guardians 1 I think, chronologically in universe) so that branch happened before the branch caused by Thanos leaving.