I noticed this post whilst flicking through to where I'd last read him:
I remembered it before, hence some of my earlier comments about he himself acknowledging the flippant comments. Whilst his later response that this tone was off because of Egg is reasonable on its own, what I find interesting is that he didn't bring it up here as a reason for the flippancy, and then later, when I bring up the tone issues again as part of my scum read of him, he seems to have forgotten that comments about his tone being off are reasonable, according to this post. I'm also still not really getting BoomFrog's point about plytho presenting something as town making him a jerk, even if he isn't town and what that has to do with my belief that BoomFrog's post makes it look like he knows that plytho, and others, are town. I don't think anybody in this game would realistically hold anything done by scum or indies to further their own goals against them. Heck, I think under the right circumstance, even town could get away with false promises like that with no hard feelings.BoomFrog wrote:plytho wrote:BoomFrog: For some reason BoomFrog is feeling very scummy this game. Can't really put my finger on why. His townbro buddying with zen feels fake somehow? His buddying with me doesn't give me a very sincere impression either. Need to take a good look here.
I don't like this. I'm fine with the assessment that my tone is off. (It's true, I'm more flippant then normal). What bothers me is that Mark, LaserGuy and JimBob have all already expressed this opinion but plytho is stating it like it's a new and unique feeling. I think that means town!plytho had been ignoring/skimming others reads of me or scum!Plytho is trying to build support for my lynch without being the leader of the lynch. I'm leaning toward the latter.
I will give BoomFrog the point that his tone has improved somewhat from earlier, helped by the increased content. I don't however like his repeated attempts to swing the lynch onto a (FMPOV) confirmed-town (i.e. me). I don't think this is a strong point at this point however, since much of it is discussions with Zenii who does this sort of thing all the time (i.e. appeal to specific individuals to move to voting someone else with them).
What were some things you did that were deliberately scummy this game?BoomFrog wrote:And yes, I keep a running assessment of every players assessment of me. My main scum hunting strategy D1 is to do vaguely scummy things and see who goes for it in an unnatural way. It's suicidal but it's exciting and a challenging way to play. This has been almost as fun as barking was.
This point initially pinged me as a buddy ping. I think that this really depends on the nature of people's night actions. However, the logic is sound.BoomFrog wrote:People should choose their night targets under the assumption that plytho and I are not both scum.
I tried looking at BoomFrog's content to persuade me that he's town, and didn't really succeed. I'm still happy with where my vote is.
somitomi: flavour blind. Doesn't have the sash. Leaning towards Mark faking question, as retracting leads to drawing attention. Thinks Mark experienced enough to not make mistakes like that. Doesn't care about the sash. Mafia can't get a pyrrhic victory. Rushing things helps scum. Doesn't understand Zenii's comparison between his and mpolo's earlier comments re. LaserGuy's case. Refuses to post an ordered list, due to lack of following game. Understands Zenii's vote on him. Points out that doc would be outed on successful protection and claiming targets.
bessie: Explains understanding of sash win. Doesn't see reason for sash claim. May make them unwatchable. Doesn't like wam's confirmation post, and later post is full of fluff. Asks me about Vicarin question timing. Against townies claiming to avoid the lynch. Doesn't understand why vig not believable scum safe claim. Agrees that Mark is quite skilled. Doesn't like plytho reads list, due to lack of conclusions. Thinks he's trying to draw talk towards the sash. Asks plytho about his sash win con and about sash immunity. Thinks Vicarin second question follows naturally from his first, even as scum. Notes exchange between plytho and BoomFrog as being unusually tame. Thinks at least one non-town between Boomfrog and plytho. Likes Zenii's evaluation of this. Detailed comments about various observations that are typically bessie. Says will claim if Zenii thinks she should. Highlights difference in plytho reaction to insult. Chases plytho re. sash win condition. Votes plytho. Posts reads list. Zenii towniest, BoomFrog, somitomi, plytho.
Since plytho's gone out, I'll answer what I suspect he means when he says "personal sash win con", because I think it's clear from reading his posts. Sorry if you really wanted plytho to answer something that seems clear to me he already has... In the rules post (maybe in PM too, but I'm too lazy to check), it details that having the sash is a full win condition in addition to the standard alignment-based one. As such, it can only be achieved by an individual (at least from town's point of view), so it is effectively a "personal win condition". He's did explicitly claim town. He also implied in posts around his claim that his kill and sash cop abilities are heist actions, I think (i.e. he gains the sash from either of them). I really don't understand what you're getting at with this line of questioning other than simply asking "are you an indie?" Repeatedly asking a question that has been answered, or which a player refuses to answer isn't going to bring any new responses, beyond making you look scummy for being too aggressive.
@bessie, why is somitomi scum? Why didn't you explain this earlier, say, in your reads list?
I already had a concern about moody that has been well discussed. Bessie is a completely different style of player, so unsurprisingly, the same reasoning (not thinking things through) doesn't apply to her. It's good that she's prodded a few players, but up until her reads list, she hasn't said very much about certain individuals. In particular, she declares somitomi scum with no explanation at all as far as I can see, and although she might be right about plytho, her questioning is being unnecessarily obstinate/she is being deliberately obtuse, so if plytho is town, she is going to look very bad, in my opinion.
I'm not going to do a full ordered list, as I want to re-read Mark, Vicarin and LaserGuy at some point. Definitely plytho too if he survives until tomorrow, but I need to go to bed shortly. I'll have a quick look to see if there's anything urgent to address before going to sleep, but otherwise that's it from me for D1.
Here's a vague ordering of my scum reads:
plytho -> mostly here because other players I trust read him as scum. Yes, I know if he flips scum this won't look all that great. No, I can't do anything about it.