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by **warriorness** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:21 am UTC

I propose we simply use algebraic notation. One can keep track of the game using any chess program, and if you like you can even post screenshots.

Code: Select all: W B 1. e4 e6 2. e5 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. d4 d5 5. Nf3 g6 6. b3 Nc6 7. Bb5

(I moved, by the way)

by **yy2bggggs** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:41 am UTC

warriorness wrote:I propose we simply use algebraic notation. One can keep track of the game using any chess program, and if you like you can even post screenshots.
Code: Select all
W B 1. e4 e6 2. e5 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. d4 d5 5. Nf3 g6 6. b3 Nc6 7. Bb5

(I moved, by the way)

Alright, how about any reasonable representation of board position, human readable.

Any supplemental representation is fine.

Code: Select all: r . b q k b n r p p . . . p . p . . n . p . p . . B . p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P . P . . P P P R N B Q K . . R

(No move made)

Let's also say you should quote the person who made the previous move--that gives a clear indication of the chain of play; I think the misinterpretation was based on this.

by **warriorness** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:00 am UTC

How about both? (the notation and board, that is)

And quoting would be fine, except we'll soon end up with a very huge set of nested quotes and that's no good.

by **yy2bggggs** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:10 am UTC

warriorness wrote:How about both? (the notation and board, that is)

Both is fine by me.

And quoting would be fine, except we'll soon end up with a very huge set of nested quotes and that's no good.

There need not be any nesting... the idea is just to reference the previous guy. I guess just mentioning the username would work just as fine.

by **Gelsamel** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:39 am UTC

I hate that notation. I like old notation (Bishop to Queen's Knight 5).

by **yy2bggggs** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:00 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:I hate that notation. I like old notation (Bishop to Queen's Knight 5).

It took me a few to figure out you were just stating the previous move.

by **Nidht** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:12 pm UTC

Last Move (by warriorness):

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Code: Select all: r . b q k b n r . p . . . p . p p . n . p . p . . B . p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P . P . . P P P R N B Q K . . R

White to move.

(I tried to somehow highlight/colorized my last move, but it won't work as it's already in [ code ] tags. However, it shouldn't be too tough to see it with the previous move just above it.)

by **warriorness** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:19 pm UTC

Nidht wrote:(I tried to somehow highlight/colorized my last move, but it won't work as it's already in [ code ] tags. However, it shouldn't be too tough to see it with the previous move just above it.)

That's why we should use notation as well as the board. (Your move, by the way, was a6)

by **Nidht** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:22 pm UTC

warriorness wrote:
Nidht wrote:(I tried to somehow highlight/colorized my last move, but it won't work as it's already in [ code ] tags. However, it shouldn't be too tough to see it with the previous move just above it.)

That's why we should use notation as well as the board. (Your move, by the way, was a6)

I have some time to get used to that. I'll take some time to read a Wiki on algebraic chess notation! =)

by **yy2bggggs** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:45 pm UTC

By the way, there was a much, much better threat for that bishop.

Nidht wrote:
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r . b q k b n r . p . . . p . p p . n . p . p . . B . p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P . P . . P P P R N B Q K . . R

Code: Select all: r . b q k b n r . p . . . p . p p . B . p . p . . . . p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P . P . . P P P R N B Q K . . R

Bxc6+
I'll be nice and say check.

by **d3adf001** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:13 pm UTC

Code: Select all: r . b q k b n r . p . . . p . p p . B . p . p . . . . p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . Q . . P . P . . P P P R N B . K . . R

by **yy2bggggs** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:29 pm UTC

Not a valid move. It's black's turn (and that's white's knight).

by **Twasbrillig** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:40 pm UTC

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White is way ahead... look at the pawn formation of black.

by **cmacis** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:43 pm UTC

Perhaps someone could code up a board which says whose turn it is? Maybe even have it take your username and display who the last two to move were. Even allow the two click move system, and display the previous moves in notation!

by **Twasbrillig** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:44 pm UTC

Or, y'know, we could organize an xkcd tournament on http://www.freechess.org/. That would be awesome.

by **cmacis** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:15 pm UTC

I have a gameknot account already, but if we can get a group tournament going that would be good. I'd get whooped since I don't play enough chess. I play for fun, not to flex my mental muscles and kick others down into the coarse sand.

by **Twasbrillig** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:46 pm UTC

It's whites move, btw

by **Nidht** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:32 pm UTC

Last move (by Twasbrillig):

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Code: Select all: r . b q k b n r . . . . . p . p p . p . p . p . . . . p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P N . . N . . P . P . . P P P R . B Q K . . R

Black to move.

by **Nidht** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:33 pm UTC

yy2bggggs wrote:Not a valid move. It's black's turn (and that's white's knight).

Not to mention, Black's King was also in check, and he ignored it.

by **d3adf001** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:07 pm UTC

oh i thought that was the other guys knight checking me. this is hard as hell

by **yy2bggggs** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:20 pm UTC

d3adf001 wrote:oh i thought that was the other guys knight checking me. this is hard as hell

It's much easier to follow/see with a chess program:
http://www.tim-mann.org/xboard.html
The above software is safe--you can use anything else you want as well. You could leave it running and just advance the moves per the thread.

by **Gelsamel** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:43 am UTC

Yep, Black's pawn structure is fucked. And it's only safe to castle king side, if black castles at all.

And the instant that happens white castles queen side and pushes all his king side pawns.. :-(

by **Twasbrillig** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:58 am UTC

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White to move.

[edit]: Changed my move. I see what you wanted to do there.

by **Gelsamel** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:14 am UTC

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Queen to Queen 2.

by **yy2bggggs** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:56 am UTC

Gelsamel wrote:
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r . b . k b n r . . . . . p . p p q p . p . p . . . . p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P N . . N . . P . P Q . P P P R . B . K . . R

Code: Select all: r . b . k b n r . . . . . p . p p q . . p . p . . . p p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P N . . N . . P . P Q . P P P R . B . K . . R

pc5

by **Gelsamel** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:01 am UTC

I hate not being able to move again.

by **Nidht** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:34 am UTC

Last move (by yy2bggggs):

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Code: Select all: r . b . k b n r . . . . . p . p p q . . p . p . . . p p . . . . N . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P . P Q . P P P R . B . K . . R

Black to move.

Move: Na4
FEN Code: r1b1kbnr/5p1p/pq2p1p1/2pp4/N2P4/1P3N2/P1PQ1PPP/R1B1K2R b KQkq - 0 1

(This WinBoard app is awesome! Thanks yy2bggggs.)

by **warriorness** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:47 am UTC

Nidht wrote:
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r . b . k b n r . . . . . p . p p q . . p . p . . . p p . . . . N . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P . P Q . P P P R . B . K . . R

Black to move.

Code: Select all: r . b . k b n r q . . . . p . p p . . . p . p . . . p p . . . . N . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P . P Q . P P P R . B . K . . R

11. ... Qa7

I really don't see how black's pawn structure is so bad; it seems pretty nice to me. White's move.

by **Gelsamel** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:51 am UTC

warriorness wrote:
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r . b . k b n r q . . . . p . p p . . . p . p . . . p p . . . . N . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P . P Q . P P P R . B . K . . R

11. ... Qa7

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Bishop to Queen's Knight 2

by **yy2bggggs** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:36 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:
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r . b . k b n r q . . . . p . p p . . . p . p . . . p p . . . . N . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . K . . R

Bishop to Queen's Knight 2

Bg7

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r1b1k1nr/q4pbp/p3p1p1/2pp4/N2P4/1P3N2/PBPQ1PPP/R3K2R w KQkq - 0 13

by **Nidht** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:49 pm UTC

yy2bggggs wrote:Bg7
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r . b . k . n r q . . . . p b p p . . . p . p . . . p p . . . . N . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . K . . R

r1b1k1nr/q4pbp/p3p1p1/2pp4/N2P4/1P3N2/PBPQ1PPP/R3K2R w KQkq - 0 13

Nidht wrote:Nxc5
Code: Select all
r . b . k . n r q . . . . p b p p . . . p . p . . . N p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . K . . R

r1b1k1nr/q4pbp/p3p1p1/2pp4/N2P4/1P3N2/PBPQ1PPP/R3K2R w KQkq - 0 1

by **Twasbrillig** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:42 pm UTC

Code: Select all: r . b . k . n r . . . . q p b p p . . . p . p . . . N p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . K . . R

White to move.

[edit]: Damn, now black has to be really defensive.

by **Tractor** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:27 pm UTC

Twasbrillig wrote:
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r . b . k . n r . . . . q p b p p . . . p . p . . . N p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . K . . R

White to move.

Code: Select all: r . b . k . n r . . . . q p b p p . . . p . p . . . N p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . . R K .

O-O
Black to move.

by **d3adf001** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:59 pm UTC

Code: Select all: r . b . k . n r . . . . q p b p p . . . p . p . . . N p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . . R K .

Code: Select all: r . b . k . . r . . . . q p b p p . . . p n p . . . N p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . . R K .

by **Nidht** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:24 pm UTC

Code: Select all: r . b . k . n r . . . . q p b p p . . . p . p . . . N p . . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . N . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . . R K .

Code: Select all: r . b . k . . r . . . . q p b p p . . . p n p . . . N p N . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . . . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . . R K .

by **Gelsamel** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:52 pm UTC

I liked my idea of castling queen side, then pushing king's pawns better, lol.

by **warriorness** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:17 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:I liked my idea of castling queen side, then pushing king's pawns better, lol.

I agree. Would've made developing the rooks a turn faster, too. Castling queenside is underrated :\

by **yy2bggggs** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:20 am UTC

Nidht wrote:
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r . b . k . . r . . . . q p b p p . . . p n p . . . N p N . . . . . . P . . . . . P . . . . . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . . R K .

Ne4

Code: Select all: r . b . k . . r . . . . q p b p p . . . p . p . . . N p N . . . . . . P n . . . . P . . . . . . P B P Q . P P P R . . . . R K .

(16 I guess... lost count and am on another machine)

The only reason black "has to be defensive now" is that he's being played that way.
Edit: Fixed positions. Now I don't trust the commented board positions in winboard (my board didn't even match my move).

by **Gelsamel** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:26 am UTC

YOu also moved the white knight back in your picture.

by **yy2bggggs** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:51 am UTC

Gelsamel wrote:YOu also moved the white knight back in your picture.

That wasn't the only error... fixed manually (my algebraic move was intended--the rest came from who knows where, but that's what winboard slapped in my copy buffer).

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