bessie wrote:Why do you think Mafia C has been eliminated?
I don't. We know that one member of a mafia (specifically mafia C) has been killed.
Ok that makes more sense. I read that a dozen times as “one less mafia which is Mafia C” and not “one less mafia member from Mafia C”.
bessie wrote:Why Mafia C, why not Mafia A/B? Or do you have a reason for suspecting Mark for wanting to kill mpolo?
mafia=night kill, I don't assume mafia C killed one of their own, so I assume they performed the other kill.
Mark_Cangila, Jackie Chan, Mafia C
mpolo, (? role), (?alignment)
Your original quote:
plytho wrote:I'm assuming mafia C killed mpolo (the C might be a red herring btw) an odd target perhaps as he was under pressure and looked quite lynchable. Who gains by killing mpolo?
Why not this:
-Mafia A kills Mark.
-Mafia B kills mpolo.
-Mafia C is roleblocked.
Why didn’t you consider mpolo was killed by Mafia-Not-C? Or do you think mpolo was mafia?
Reference this post
jimbobmacdoodle wrote: I didn't feel strongly either way about Vicarin when loosely following the thread D1. My belief is largely driven by my PM info. Him being town does give greater weight towards people pushing him being scum, because scum are generally more likely to push town off a cliff than other town, although it obviously doesn't guarantee it. Related aside: I need to look back at the others pushing Vicarin. However, your push was what stood out in my mind the most. This is a weak point, I acknowledge, hence your position as third likeliest currently.
The underlined implies scum knows they are pushing town.
Why would scum know if Vicarin was town?
Why would Vicarin’s alignment make my push on him suspect?
Re this post
. Interesting, this argument reminds me of wam in WoT3.
bessie wrote:Why do you assume that no mafia teams started with one person?
That's not really a mafia team
, is it? Anyway, I didn't mean I actually assume that (the same way I start a proof with "assume the square root of two is rational" without actually believing that for a moment), just commenting on how far fetched that idea sounds, and so the "team is at least 2 people" assumption is probably wrong.
Ok. What I should have posted:
Well, if we have Mafia A, Mafia B, Mafia C, we do not know the number of members in each mafia group. Each “mafia” may be a traditional mafia of two or more players, or wam may be using the term “mafia” to represent a faction, so for example, Mafia A may consist of one member with a kill (ehih would usually be an independent serial killer). His reasons for using “mafia” instead of “indie” is either because the lone mafia member has some way to increase their number, or wam could be using the term just to cause confusion. So somitomi, why do assume that no “mafia teams” (read: factions) started with one person?
Reference: Best Idea Mafia
. I replaced Vytron. I was mafia goon, all by myself. Setup here
(5 town, 2 aliens, 1 mafia).
Madge wrote:3) Directly tied in with resurrection power which we can be pretty sure exists (if your alignment is revealed you can't be resurrected)
I don't see pretty sure at all. However,
Madge wrote:I think there's no reason resurrections can't happen from people who have flipped town already, with them being resurrected with some "other" alignment. Like, "mpolo has been resurrected. his alignment has been determined CHAOTICALLY", sort of thing
I kinda like this idea though.
ConMan wrote: It's worth noting that no-one in this thread until Plytho had seriously considered the possibility that the night kill redirected from BoomFrog was the one that killed Mark, rather than mpolo. Sabrar first put out his theory, and everyone went with it.
What makes you think anyone seriously discarded this theory, or any theory, yet?
Ok, I' think I'm over my my hour for the night, but I wouldn't want Sabrar to think I'm ignoring him.
Sabrar wrote:@bessie: I'm really interested in your update read on plytho.
Last full read of plytho on page 7 (Sunday) here
. Did not update my read on page 8 (Sunday night last post of D1), so nothing in his page 7 content pinged me at the time. Have not analyzed page 9 content. Ok go!http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=4389043#p4389043
plytho wrote:Vicarin: A lot of Vicarin's content is his discussion with bessie and the one with Sabrar happening right now. I don't think these discusions indicate scumminess as Vicarin is finding the time to talk about other things. I haven't really followed the argument between him and bessie as I don't think a disagreement about probabilities is indicative of scum either way and probabilities make my head hurt. The current discussion with Sabrar is similar. It's a disagreement about strategy but I don't see the scumminess. I like his reads list, it looks pretty open and honest. (I don't like his attitude towards Madge, she can play the game however she wants, I like the avatar!)
Bessie's arguments against vic aren't convincing me. BoomFrog barely has any. I don't have time to check out Sabrar's arguments but this latest discussion isn't convincing me.]
Hmm, there’s a lot of Vicarin love in that post. If you haven't really followed the arguement, how can you come to the conclusion that my arguments aren't convincing? http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=4389082#p4389082
plytho wrote:Ugh, I'm a little frustrated by my lack of time/clarity right now. Boomfrog's arguments are convincing but I don't entirely agree on point two and three.
I’m not sure which points are point 2 and 3.http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=4389103#p4389103
BoomFrog wrote: Oh My God You Suck is the feeling of thinking people who attack you must be scum. It's often not true, and OMGUS is stronger in scum since they have fewer other reasons to find people actually scummy
That's kind of contradictory. Generally scum know the people pressuring them are town so they won't feel like they are being attacked by scum. While town know whoever is attacking them is wrong about them and thus they are at risk of omgus.
Interesting that you jumped in on what was an informational comment BoomFrog made for mark (original post here
). I guess I can read it as you were trying to help explain things t a newbie too, but I find it odd because in this case it makes things more confusing because of the chance we were in multiball, and scum could not be sure of the alignment of anyone else.
Hmm, plytho switched his vote to Vicarin when he could have switched to Madge. I wasn’t arround the last 10-12ish hours so I don’t have a good vibe of how the vote was progressing (will try to read timestamps more carefully later).
Note that I did not have time to analyze any other end-of-D1 content that I missed, I only looked at plytho. I will think about this with his D2 content and try to do an updated read of plytho (and of everyone else) but tomorrow, I really need to get some sleep.
Ninja'd by ConMan, probably won't read/reply until tomorrow, it's midnight in California and I need to get up at 6.