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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby GnomeAnne » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:16 pm UTC

A puzzle so hard that I even have a difficult Tim figuring out what's going on when I am looking at the solution.
But b is able to (maybe) solve it just from a few years worth of data.

Hmm, Pope.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Opiboble » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:27 am UTC

*Opi stirs in his sleep*
Grummmble *yawn*
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Sleeping Opi is floored by the amount of views on this thread...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:23 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby GnomeAnne » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:27 am UTC

And then the image that Opi uploaded showing all the views is viewed 150 Tims in only 2 np...
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Re: 1190: "Time"; full year

Postby balthasar_s » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:16 am UTC

balthasar_s wrote:(Y AND 0xC) + ((Y AND 0x1) XOR (T AND 0x1)) - ((Y AND 0x2) XOR (T AND 0x2)) + (H AND 0x8) - (H AND 0x4) + ((D AND 0x2) XOR (H AND 0x2)) - ((D AND 0x1) XOR (H AND 0x1))

This can be simplified.
Things like ((Y AND 0x1) XOR (T AND 0x1)) can be written as ((Y XOR T) AND 0x1)
Which gives us:
(Y AND 0xC) + ((Y XOR T) AND 0x1) - ((Y XOR T) AND 0x2) + (H AND 0x8) - (H AND 0x4) + ((D XOR H) AND 0x2) - ((D XOR H) AND 0x1)

It also explains why in the yearcube we see the same patterns as in the whole year:
Write (Y AND 0xC) as (Y AND 0x8) + (Y AND 0x4),
and now compare the two parts:

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(H AND 0x8) - (H AND 0x4) + ((D XOR H) AND 0x2) - ((D XOR H) AND 0x1)

The symmetry is obvious.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:33 am UTC

So this looks awesomeful, eh?
*puts the bubbly in the fridge*
I'm totally looking forward to a little free time with no interruptions to have a leisurely read through of the solution. :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:37 am UTC

ggh wrote:Hey, Balthasar... so there's this language that the Beanies speak....

:D
... I'm still figuring out English ...

ETA:
Maybe soon I can write a post describing how I went from understanding nothing to this.
But now i'll just tell that it wouldn't be possible without:
  • Previous work of OTTers who found the patterns and the reduction to 3 letters
  • 2018 pattern available
  • Jose's question about sloshers
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:32 am UTC

Baobabs! This is what some of the last parts of understanding everything (about the epilogue sequence) look like!

New othercomic.

And new BSTA:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:25 pm UTC

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balthasar_s wrote:Jose's question about sloshers
Once again, my contribution to enlightenment is my own befuddlement. :)

Edit: A different contribution, for your amusement: A little trebuchet.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:50 am UTC

balthasar_s wrote:
ggh wrote:Hey, Balthasar... so there's this language that the Beanies speak....

:D
... I'm still figuring out English ...

That makes you better suited.

But I might be afk for a week or so - could you do me a favour and not announce the solution until I get back? I don't want to miss it. :)
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Re: 1190: Time: THIS TRILOMEG IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE WOWTERFALLISH THINGS.

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I started a ketchup post but then got distracted by the Outside. Now even more ketchup is needed, so I'll post this for now.

balthasar_s wrote:So the signs with population written on them are actual real things?
not very practical.

Well, I only know about the one sign. I don't think the point is to be completely practical. But perhaps they want to help.people practice their addition skills. :)

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Re: 1190: "Time"; LEML

Postby balthasar_s » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:50 pm UTC

Today I find out that BSTA is a LEML story...
OTTsford dictionary wrote:TIOC : TCP/IP Over Coincidence, an acronym in the LEML story
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:18 am UTC

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1190: "Time"; Balthasar's Secret Tetragrammatic Acronyms Lack Explanatory MINY LEML

Postby mrob27 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:36 pm UTC

balthasar_s wrote:Today I find out that BSTA is a LEML story…
OTTsford dictionary wrote: TIOC : TCP/IP Over Coincidence, an acronym in the LEML story


Fixed (I think). Thanks for pointing it out.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:30 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"; Balthasar's Secret Tetragrammatic Acronyms Lack Explanatory MINY LEML

Postby balthasar_s » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:52 pm UTC

Part 3/2 - what if it doesn't?

Continuation of this post.

So I found that with this formula

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( (Y AND 0x8) + (Y AND 0x4) - ((Y XOR T) AND 0x2) + ((Y XOR T) AND 0x1) +
  (H AND 0x8) - (H AND 0x4) + ((D XOR H) AND 0x2) - ((D XOR H) AND 0x1) ) mod 5
(and adding sloshers) we can generate the epilogue sequence, at least for the current yearcube.

It would be nice if someone who is not me checked if I didn't make a mistake with it.

So at this point we're quite sure that GLR's epilogue generator function is using decimal digits (encoded as bcd or something like that) from the date as its arguments, right?

What if I told you that my guess is that this is not how GLR does it?

what?

What I think could be happening is this:
The epilogue function gets the date as a text, and not as numbers,
for example:

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"2018-01-10 19:05"
(there are many ways to write this)
.And then it interprets some bytes from that string as numbers:

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"2018-01-10 19:05"
    ^    ^  ^^
    |    |  ||
    Y    D  TH

So "0" becomes 48, "1" becomes 49 and so on.

But wait, isn't there a conflict with what I wrote in my previous posts?

Actually, there isn't.

In hexadecimal "0" is 0x30, "1" is 0x31, and so on.
The lower 4 bits (which are the ones used by the epilogenerator) are the same.

So all those operation on bits will give exactly the same results.
It doesn't make my predictions lell valid.


I think that a generator that gets the date as text and works on its bytes is more likely than one which gets the date as numbers and converts them to separate the decimal digits.

At least that's how I would do it.


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balthasar_s wrote:Today I find out that BSTA is a LEML story…
OTTsford dictionary wrote: TIOC : TCP/IP Over Coincidence, an acronym in the LEML story


Fixed (I think). Thanks for pointing it out.

...or maybe not?
Now TIOC has become "an acronym in the BFTF story (see also LEML)."
and there was no TIOC in BFTF.
And CTIF is "1. A mysterious acronym in the LEML story. (Possibly an acronym for ChronoTransponder InterFace)"

Maybe we should create an actual "LEML" story, just to increase the confusion?

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1190: Time: OMR! LOOK AT THE THE SIZE OF THOSE BICYCLES!

Postby mrob27 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:23 am UTC

balthasar_s wrote:Now TIOC has become "an acronym in the BFTF story (see also LEML)." and there was no TIOC in BFTF.
And CTIF is "1. A mysterious acronym in the LEML story. (Possibly an acronym for ChronoTransponder InterFace)"

Why don't you just tell us what these things are?
  Let's try yet another of these 4-letter acronyms. How about BSTA? frame 55, noting the dialogue:
B: TIOC ??
AP: TCP/IP over Coincidence.
AP: Yes, someone actually did such a thing.
[…]
AP: By Linux you mean Gnu/Linux?
AP: Or LEML Linux?
B: Would be the first one.
B: I didn't hear of leml before today.

There is LEML in the dialogue, along with TIOC, both originated by character "AP:".

EDIT: Once again, I've edited the entries for TIOC and for CTIF, and I think it might be better now. Please tell us the correct information, instead of repeatedly telling us that the current text is not correct.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:33 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:58 pm UTC

hujackus wrote:
ggh wrote:Yay - it's hujackus! And he's predicting the same sequence I am. :) (Which isn't so surprising, considering that I'm mostly basing my predictions on his treeish pattern-matching.) I am a little curious: I thought you'd lean towards pulling 2018 from the f column of the hexadecimal extrapolation, but like me, you're going for the b column - is that for the same reason I am?
I wish I could have figured out which 4x4 block to use (the one ending on f or b), but I haven't had a clue since 2015. I simply had to wait two years to find out which one it was going to be. Everything this time is based on the first letter from January 1st, which was a D.

I am completely mystified and amazed by this discussion. And this stuff:

balthasar_s wrote:
balthasar_s wrote:(Y AND 0xC) + ((Y AND 0x1) XOR (T AND 0x1)) - ((Y AND 0x2) XOR (T AND 0x2)) + (H AND 0x8) - (H AND 0x4) + ((D AND 0x2) XOR (H AND 0x2)) - ((D AND 0x1) XOR (H AND 0x1))

This can be simplified.
Things like ((Y AND 0x1) XOR (T AND 0x1)) can be written as ((Y XOR T) AND 0x1)
Which gives us:
(Y AND 0xC) + ((Y XOR T) AND 0x1) - ((Y XOR T) AND 0x2) + (H AND 0x8) - (H AND 0x4) + ((D XOR H) AND 0x2) - ((D XOR H) AND 0x1)

It also explains why in the yearcube we see the same patterns as in the whole year:
Write (Y AND 0xC) as (Y AND 0x8) + (Y AND 0x4),
and now compare the two parts:

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(Y AND 0x8) + (Y AND 0x4) - ((Y XOR T) AND 0x2) + ((Y XOR T) AND 0x1) +
(H AND 0x8) - (H AND 0x4) + ((D XOR H) AND 0x2) - ((D XOR H) AND 0x1)

The symmetry is obvious.

Just blows my mind. I used to be good at <mathy stuff>, and I suppose if I really sat down and worked through it, it would make sense. But it's been too long since I've done that kind of stuff, so I just get cross-eyed. I'll just continue to marvel at how your minds work, and admire the pretty colors. :)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:47 pm UTC

Wait on.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:31 pm UTC

lmjb1964 wrote:I am completely mystified and amazed by this discussion. And this stuff:
balthasar_s wrote:[...]

Just blows my mind. I used to be good at <mathy stuff>, and I suppose if I really sat down and worked through it, it would make sense. But it's been too long since I've done that kind of stuff, so I just get cross-eyed. I'll just continue to marvel at how your minds work, and admire the pretty colors. :)
I have a halfway prepared post about how I did this.
Maybe it will make this more clear.
Maybe not.
Wait for it.
Also I have an unfinished reply about my unhelpful comments about all these B4LAs (balthasarish 4-letter acronyms :) )
Wait for it too.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:09 pm UTC

New BSTA:
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This wasn't the best thing to do.

Also, a robot arrived.


That's what comes from blindly following orders.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:58 pm UTC

Did I ever Post anything about moving out of the Forest?
It was beautiful up there, but it was always Cold.

Spoiler:
The creatures of the Forest had no respect for Me.
They walked in and made themselves at Home in My Home.

There were Spiders, Mice, Rats, Quail, Raccoon, Skunk, Deer and Elk.

I don't miss them.
Not one little bit.

I have heat.
I am Warm!

I look back and wonder, 'How did I live like that?'

I was so very ill and always cold.
My new nest is small and warm.

I am so very grateful.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
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Those that do not Know; Don't tell them.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:17 am UTC

I'm so glad you're out of the woods addams! It's a nice place to visit, but I can't get the animals to pay rent. :)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:51 am UTC

balthasar_s wrote:
lmjb1964 wrote:I am completely mystified and amazed by this discussion. And this stuff:
balthasar_s wrote:[...]

Just blows my mind. I used to be good at <mathy stuff>, and I suppose if I really sat down and worked through it, it would make sense. But it's been too long since I've done that kind of stuff, so I just get cross-eyed. I'll just continue to marvel at how your minds work, and admire the pretty colors. :)
I have a halfway prepared post about how I did this.
Maybe it will make this more clear.
Maybe not.
Wait for it.
Also I have an unfinished reply about my unhelpful comments about all these B4LAs (balthasarish 4-letter acronyms :) )
Wait for it too.

I look forward to your B4LAR (balthasarish 4-letter acronyms reply). :)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:40 am UTC

What a wonderful hobby.
Going out in The World to collect more Family.

You won't forget us; Will you?
Please, don't forget us.

You would be missed.
Besides; We had you First!
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
by mr. Oscar Wilde.

Those that want to Know; Know.
Those that do not Know; Don't tell them.
They do terrible things to people that Tell Them.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:32 am UTC

Who are you? :)

Seriously, the chances of me forgetting the OTT are slim to none, assuming I maintain my faculties. And you are most certainly not forgettable!
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