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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Yet-One-More-Idiot » Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:25 pm UTC

commodorejohn wrote:
Locoluis wrote:I've also been on the other side of the discussion, when I attempted to chat with English speakers about old anime shows like Heidi, Girl of the Alps, that were insanely popular in Latin America but haven't seen a decent English dub...

Hah, oh man. Around here stuff like that is kind of the exact inverse - things you've entirely forgotten about until somebody else mentions it out of the blue and it's "wait, you have seen that!?" I spent the longest time having vague memories about some cartoon about a girl and her stuffed koala bear that I was only half sure I'd actually seen and not hallucinated until somebody else on a forum brought up Noozles decades after the fact.


When I was little (like, 9 or 10), I used to watch a cartoon series of Peter Pan made by Fox called "Peter Pan and the Pirates". I mentioned it to my sister once, years later...she couldn't remember the show, and genuinely believed I had made the whole thing up (even though she used to watch it with me after school!). Then I found it mentioned online one day and she was like "O wow, I'd completely forgotten it even existed" (to which I was just like "yeah I know" xD)

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby jgh » Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:16 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
jgh wrote:railways ("So, the 60052 restoration, great eh?" Dunno, I'm interested in *railways*, not trains.)
I'm probably misunderstanding your distinction, but maybe this is similar to what I get with music. I've heard fellow sax players going on at length about their Selmer Mark VI with the double-balanced action, and my reaction is that I'm interested in playing jazz, not saxophones.

I'd quite like to see the Rillington Link relaid to put Whitby back on the main line, and put the Woodhead Line back in to restore the high-speed link between Sheffield and Manchester. What rolling stock is run on them I don't really care. Yeah, it's nice that people have put a lot of effort into preserving/conserving our engineering heritage, but I'm more interested in, in your terms, listening to jazz music than the fact this piece was played on a double-balanced Selmer Mark VI recipricating injected overhead camshaft weeble flobber turbo matrix sonic dipstick madeupword.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Old Bruce » Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:24 pm UTC

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SecondTalon wrote:The thing about Arsenal is that they always try to walk it in.

Hooray. He's kicked the ball. Now the ball's over there. That man has it now. That's an interesting development. Maybe he'll kick the ball. He has indeed and apparently that deserves a round of applause.


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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Sableagle » Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:32 pm UTC

commodorejohn wrote:I did like the solution I read about where some guy took his kids through in the order of I-II-IV-V-III-VI, but I've always found it simpler to just ignore the Prequels.
Starting here, it turns out Grace hadn't seen any of them either. The suggested sequence was IV-V-II-III-VI, presumably now IV-V-II-III-R1-VI-VII or R1-IV-V-II-III-VI-VII
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Keyman » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:23 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:
commodorejohn wrote:I did like the solution I read about where some guy took his kids through in the order of I-II-IV-V-III-VI, but I've always found it simpler to just ignore the Prequels.
Starting here, it turns out Grace hadn't seen any of them either. The suggested sequence was IV-V-II-III-VI, presumably now IV-V-II-III-R1-VI-VII or R1-IV-V-II-III-VI-VII
Poor Jar-jar. :wink:

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I've never watched any of them again.
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:52 pm UTC

I'd expect R1 to come before IV, since that's where it's set chronologically and, unlike II and III, it doesn't really serve as a flashback of anything between V and VI. Kinda weird to start a series off with characters you're never going to see again, though.
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:08 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Of course, if you watch them in numeric order it's more "Oh, right. He wouldn't know that, would he? Still kinda weird that R2 never mentioned Luke's dad before, or being on Tatooine, or how those rocket jets woulda been fuckin' useful as fuck in, like, 80 situations. Man, R2 is an asshole"

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby da Doctah » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:08 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:Starting a list of other movies you might assume everyone's seen but they haven't and don't care:

Napoleon Dynamite
Eight and a Half
Treasure of Sierra Madre
Dr. Strangelove
Ghost Busters
Metropolis
Dirty Harry


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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby JudeMorrigan » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:29 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:I'd expect R1 to come before IV, since that's where it's set chronologically and, unlike II and III, it doesn't really serve as a flashback of anything between V and VI. Kinda weird to start a series off with characters you're never going to see again, though.

I suspect the thing to do is going to be to watch R1 and other "Star Wars Stories" movies afterwards and not treat them as part of the series, per se. Sure, sure, it's the same universe, but I think it makes good sense to keep the main series telling the story of the Skywalker clan as its own thing.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Reka » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:34 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:The worst thing about Star Wars for me is that by the time I decided to watch it, the big twist [about a certain character's parentage] has been already spoiled for me.

The first one I saw (and actually, the first movie I ever saw in a theater) was Return of the Jedi, so the twist was never a twist for me. Hasn't prevented me from enjoying the movies.

(Said RotJ viewing was a subtitled version in Kunhegyes, Hungary. My sister and I repeatedly had to shush the people around us, because they were reading the subtitles and didn't really care about the English dialog, but we wanted to hear the dang thing. Picture a pair of geeky 11-year-olds trying to tell big hulking 18-year-old guys to shut up already. Also, I remember we had issues with the translation, but I don't remember the particulars other than the subtitles totally failed to get the point of the "He's my brother" scene.)

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:11 pm UTC

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jgh wrote:railways ("So, the 60052 restoration, great eh?" Dunno, I'm interested in *railways*, not trains.)

I'm probably misunderstanding your distinction, but maybe this is similar to what I get with music.....
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby somitomi » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:17 pm UTC

Reka wrote:
somitomi wrote:The worst thing about Star Wars for me is that by the time I decided to watch it, the big twist [about a certain character's parentage] has been already spoiled for me.

The first one I saw (and actually, the first movie I ever saw in a theater) was Return of the Jedi, so the twist was never a twist for me. Hasn't prevented me from enjoying the movies.

(Said RotJ viewing was a subtitled version in Kunhegyes, Hungary. My sister and I repeatedly had to shush the people around us, because they were reading the subtitles and didn't really care about the English dialog, but we wanted to hear the dang thing. Picture a pair of geeky 11-year-olds trying to tell big hulking 18-year-old guys to shut up already. Also, I remember we had issues with the translation, but I don't remember the particulars other than the subtitles totally failed to get the point of the "He's my brother" scene.)

What kind of people read subtitles out loud? :shock:
Hungarian translations/subtitles are known to fail occasionally. I don't remember particulars either, but I recall the subtitles in the Sound of Music taking liberties, especially with slightly risqué1 lines (now there's a word I just learned).

1: by some pretty strict standards anyway, which makes the whole thing a bit comical when you compare it with what gets an age 12 (PG13 or something?) rating today.
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Keyman » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:59 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:
Hungarian translations/subtitles are known to fail occasionally. I don't remember particulars either, but I recall the subtitles in the Sound of Music taking liberties, especially with slightly risqué1 lines (now there's a word I just learned).

1: by some pretty strict standards anyway, which makes the whole thing a bit comical when you compare it with what gets an age 12 (PG13 or something?) rating today.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Mikeski » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:22 pm UTC

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SecondTalon wrote:The thing about Arsenal is that they always try to walk it in.

Hooray. He's kicked the ball. Now the ball's over there. That man has it now. That's an interesting development. Maybe he'll kick the ball. He has indeed and apparently that deserves a round of applause.

I read somewhere (probably here, heh) that soccer makes perfect sense as a spectator sport if you don't think of it as a goal-scoring game, but as a game of keep-away.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Sableagle » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:40 pm UTC

Reka wrote:I remember we had issues with the translation, but I don't remember the particulars other than the subtitles totally failed to get the point of the "He's my brother" scene.)
Das Boot had a problem with translation too.
German version: "Wieso? GIBRALTAR! Es ist wie eine Jungfrau! Wir mussen uns mir Vaselien schmieren." *hipthrust*
English version: "How? Gibraltar. The British have got it sewn up tight. We'll have to smear the ship with vaseline." *hipthrust*
:roll:
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby rmsgrey » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:35 am UTC

I have a friend I keep recommending to watch Labyrinth someday.

2001, I'd recommend to anyone who is interested in the history of cinema, but not to someone who's just looking to be entertained. It has some incredible scenes, but it's also incredidbly ambitious in some of the ideas it attempts to portray - to the point that even watching it after having read the book repeatedly, I had trouble following some sections.

Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit: I strongly recommend watching Fellowship before deciding whether to give the others a miss. I'd only watch the Hobbit trilogy if you're a major fan of the LotR movies - or of Freeman and Cumberbatch, of course.

One of these days, I might get around to watching Incepetion...

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Reka » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:46 am UTC

somitomi wrote:What kind of people read subtitles out loud? :shock:

Sorry, I meant they were talking throughout the movie. (Guess they didn't know about Shepherd Book's special level of hell, "a level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater".)

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby jc » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:08 am UTC

Sableagle wrote:
Reka wrote:I remember we had issues with the translation, but I don't remember the particulars other than the subtitles totally failed to get the point of the "He's my brother" scene.)
Das Boot had a problem with translation too.
German version: "Wieso? GIBRALTAR! Es ist wie eine Jungfrau! Wir mussen uns mir Vaselien schmieren." *hipthrust*
English version: "How? Gibraltar. The British have got it sewn up tight. We'll have to smear the ship with vaseline." *hipthrust*
:roll:

Man, they really got that one wrong, didn't they? I'm tempted to say it had to be intentional, maybe thinking that the uptight Brits couldn't handle the accurate translation. Anyone able to read the German and produce that output must have known that they weren't translating.

(And I'm guessing that "mir" was a typo for "mit". It's funny how similar those letters can look in some fonts. I actually read "mit" the first time, then noticed the error on rescanning it. ;-)

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby addams » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:08 am UTC

Flumble wrote:I can relate to cueball up until the "Later..." part. Why would you pretend to know something?

Also, why would you pretend to be excited for such a bland blockbuster? :?
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Sableagle » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:00 am UTC

jc wrote:
Sableagle wrote:
Reka wrote:I remember we had issues with the translation, but I don't remember the particulars other than the subtitles totally failed to get the point of the "He's my brother" scene.)
Das Boot had a problem with translation too.
German version: "Wieso? GIBRALTAR! Es ist wie eine Jungfrau! Wir mussen uns mir Vaselien schmieren." *hipthrust*
English version: "How? Gibraltar. The British have got it sewn up tight. We'll have to smear the ship with vaseline." *hipthrust*
:roll:

Man, they really got that one wrong, didn't they? I'm tempted to say it had to be intentional, maybe thinking that the uptight Brits couldn't handle the accurate translation. Anyone able to read the German and produce that output must have known that they weren't translating.

(And I'm guessing that "mir" was a typo for "mit". It's funny how similar those letters can look in some fonts. I actually read "mit" the first time, then noticed the error on rescanning it. ;-)

Yes, that should be "mit." QWERTY keyboard, fat fingers. The terribly British accent was funny on a submariner, too. There's an amusing tone-switch the other way round in Left 4 Dead. The English-language Francis is a member of an outlaw biker gang in the NE USA: "Louis, we've walked across the whole goddam country and the whole place is just one big shit-hole," and: "Now THIS is some shit." He sounds like a pissed-off biker having to fight his way through the sewers of a bombed city full of zombies.
In German he speaks much more classily, with a university sort of voice: "Ah. Dies kann man Scheiss nennen." He sounds like someone's rich uncle helping her bake the cake for her little brother's birthday party (or he would if he'd said "cake mix" rather than "shit," obviously).
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby somitomi » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:35 am UTC

Keyman wrote:
somitomi wrote:
Hungarian translations/subtitles are known to fail occasionally. I don't remember particulars either, but I recall the subtitles in the Sound of Music taking liberties, especially with slightly risqué1 lines (now there's a word I just learned).

1: by some pretty strict standards anyway, which makes the whole thing a bit comical when you compare it with what gets an age 12 (PG13 or something?) rating today.

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The horrible thing about that sketch is that things like that are quite likely to happen, especially the other way around (i.e. English-speaking tourist in Hungary). I don't think I've ever seen a restaurant menu where all the English translations were correct, although most of the time they are comprehensible. But occasionally you see things like a pastry named "fuckup with marmalade" because everything was tranlsated word by word using an online dictionary.
I am kind of disappointed they didn't actually look up one of the many Hungarian profanities, one of the things I really liked about The Usual Suspects was that Hungarian characters (including the extras) actually spoke proper Hungarian. They really paid attention to that detail, during the hospital scene (where Keyser Soze's facial composite is drawn) the interpreter actually spoke slightly broken Hungarian (in contrast with other Hungarian-speaking characters). It was weird watching a movie and understanding things the director didn't indend the audience to understand.
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Sableagle » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:34 am UTC

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Zhalinth » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:10 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:Kinda weird to start a series off with characters you're never going to see again, though.


I assumed this was because they all die by the end of the movie.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby GlassHouses » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:33 pm UTC

While reading this thread, it dawned on me that apparently "seen Star Wars" means "seen all of the Star Wars movies."

I did see the first movie, right when it came out. I enjoyed the space battles (the movie played on the biggest screen in town; it really was pretty spectacular), but I thought the characters and the story were a bit lame, so I never felt the slightest temptation to watch the sequels and prequels.

So while I would answer "yes" if anyone asked me if I had ever seen Star Wars, most of the memes I see people tossing around here either mean nothing to me, or I know them but only as memes.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:57 pm UTC

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I have a (physical) album of my own, somewhere, composed from an Alpine trip in the early '90s, predating the Web and definitely online translators of the modern kind. I quite liked the hotel in Chamonis proudly hoisting a professionally-manufactured sign declaring "English Spokken", for the subtelty. ;)

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Ae7flux » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:22 pm UTC

I've never seen a Star Wars movie and used to be proud of my ignorance. Then the internet came along (I'm looking at you Cracked.com) and I now have strong feelings about the meaning of the Kessel run line.

(Some of this post may be not entirely accurate but to this day I haven't seen a Star Wars movie all the way through.)
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Aiwendil » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:21 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:Starting a list of other movies you might assume everyone's seen but they haven't and don't care:

Napoleon Dynamite
Eight and a Half
Treasure of Sierra Madre
Dr. Strangelove
Ghost Busters
Metropolis
Dirty Harry


Are we really at the point now where we assume everyone has seen Metropolis? This is Fritz Lang's Metropolis we're talking about, right? Because, I'd love to live in a world where the majority of people have seen that, but I'm not quite ready to believe that a random person on the street is likely to have seen a silent German film from nearly 90 years ago.

Also, I have not seen Napoleon Dynamite, 8 1/2, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, or Dirty Harry.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Yet-One-More-Idiot » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:38 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:Starting a list of other movies you might assume everyone's seen but they haven't and don't care:

Napoleon Dynamite
Eight and a Half
Treasure of Sierra Madre
Dr. Strangelove
Ghost Busters
Metropolis
Dirty Harry


Well out of those you've listed, I can honestly say I've only seen (and for that matter own) 2 of 'em:
  • Ghostbusters (I assume you mean the original, not the new one?)
  • Metropolis

While I do feel that most people SHOULD see Metropolis (particularly anyone who enjoys SF), I highly doubt that that holds true as yet.

Some other classic SF movies I might like to throw into your list:

  • The Time Machine. Particularly the '60 original, but the remake's pretty good too.
  • War of the Worlds. The '53 version, not the remake.
  • Star Trek - all of them, but particularly 1-4
  • Blade Runner (Okay I haven't seen it, but I'd still include it in a list of classic SF)
  • Logan's Run
  • The Terminator and Terminator 2. The others too, but less so.
  • Back to the Future. Again, the sequels less so.

I'd also say that just about everybody should've seen at the very least any ONE movie from Walt Disney Animation Studios (ie, the Disney Canon) in their lifetime. Most would probably have seen several if only by randomly catching them on the telly at some point.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Various Varieties » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:10 am UTC

This strip vaguely reminded me of this one:

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Aiwendil wrote:
cellocgw wrote:Starting a list of other movies you might assume everyone's seen but they haven't and don't care:

Napoleon Dynamite
Eight and a Half
Treasure of Sierra Madre
Dr. Strangelove
Ghost Busters
Metropolis
Dirty Harry


Are we really at the point now where we assume everyone has seen Metropolis? This is Fritz Lang's Metropolis we're talking about, right? Because, I'd love to live in a world where the majority of people have seen that, but I'm not quite ready to believe that a random person on the street is likely to have seen a silent German film from nearly 90 years ago.

Also, I have not seen Napoleon Dynamite, 8 1/2, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, or Dirty Harry.


Dirty Harry is one of those films where you can know the Most Famous Bit and yet still avoid it being a plot spoiler. I'd was very familiar with the famous quote (the one about shooting either six shots or only five, the .44 Magnum which would blow your head clean off, and that one must ask oneself whether one feels lucky) many times prior to watching the film, thanks to reading quotes or seeing a clip of that speech, or seeing it parodied. And yet that's where all the clips cut off, so until I watched the full movie a few years ago I didn't know how that scene ends: does he shoot the man or not?

orthogon wrote:ETA: In this spirit, there's actually a BBC Radio 4 programme called I've Never Seen Star Wars, in which people do fairly common things for the first time.

It also had a TV version.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Yet-One-More-Idiot » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:17 am UTC

orthogon wrote:ETA: In this spirit, there's actually a BBC Radio 4 programme called I've Never Seen Star Wars, in which people do fairly common things for the first time.


And in the spirit of this thread, I should mention that although I've HEARD of this radio show (and the TV series that spun off from it)

I have honestly never listened to, OR watched, "I've Never Watched Star Wars".

Thus the snake eats its own tail, the circle closes, and reality collapses into an even weirder form than it's in now. :P

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby xtifr » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:13 am UTC

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SecondTalon wrote:The thing about Arsenal is that they always try to walk it in.

Hooray. He's kicked the ball. Now the ball's over there. That man has it now. That's an interesting development. Maybe he'll kick the ball. He has indeed and apparently that deserves a round of applause.

And now we're going to discover that a whole bunch of people have never seen The IT Crowd. And many of them may even be unaware that they should see it. Which makes this all a bit meta! :D

(For those who are confused: Wee Red Bird and SecondTalon are quoting from a television show. Quoting characters who, in-universe, probably spend a lot more time reading xkcd than watching football. Quoting the only TV show I've seen where one of the main characters wore an EFF t-shirt.)
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:20 am UTC

orthogon wrote:ETA: In this spirit, there's actually a BBC Radio 4 programme called I've Never Seen Star Wars, in which people do fairly common things for the first time.
I'd never seen your ETA... Did I skip-read, rudely, or did I just manage to read the pre-ETA version in that golden half minute/whatever whete edits can happen but don't get marked? (Onbviously not the latter if a third person viewing nullifies the effect. But Nvm.)

I've been going through some programme records of INSSW, because I'm sure that there was one guest who (as well as the creator/producer, being the real-life spark for the idea) had actually never seen Star Wars. But, IIRC, it was only mentioned in passing, to the gasps of the audience. It wasn't one of the selected new experiences for them, so isn't listed on the otherwise comprehensive Wiki pages for both radio and TV serieses. But I'm narrowing it down to one of the S5/6 episodes, from trying to place the rough era of broadcast in my mnd.

(But I thnk Ian Hislop playing Grand Theft Auto for the first time is one of the stand-out bits. For those that know of him. And, of course, GTA.)

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Various Varieties » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:47 am UTC

Soupspoon wrote:I've been going through some programme records of INSSW, because I'm sure that there was one guest who (as well as the creator/producer, being the real-life spark for the idea) had actually never seen Star Wars. But, IIRC, it was only mentioned in passing, to the gasps of the audience. It wasn't one of the selected new experiences for them, so isn't listed on the otherwise comprehensive Wiki pages for both radio and TV serieses. But I'm narrowing it down to one of the S5/6 episodes, from trying to place the rough era of broadcast in my mnd.

(But I thnk Ian Hislop playing Grand Theft Auto for the first time is one of the stand-out bits. For those that know of him. And, of course, GTA.)

Yes, I vaguely remember one of the guests saying they'd never seen Star Wars - I think it might have been Nigel Havers on the TV version?

With Ian Hislop playing Grand Theft Auto, I remember being disappointed that they didn't ask what he thought of the in-game radio stations. In particular, the "I Say You Say" shows.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby ucim » Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:43 am UTC

One more that everyone must see: Colossus - the Forbin Project. The original, set in the 50s or early 60s. If there is ever a remake, don't watch it; it will be terrible. Yes, it's a bit dated but that matters not a whit. (I find it disturbing that people are still touting the handing over of governance to computers, to which we would become pets, while at the same time it is slowly happening by itself, in a totally different form.)

Unfortunately, it's very hard to find this film. It is not on DVD, only videotape. To my knowledge there are no plans to re-release it in any form. If you find it, grab it.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Mikeski » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:41 am UTC

somitomi wrote:I don't think I've ever seen a restaurant menu where all the English translations were correct, although most of the time they are comprehensible. But occasionally you see things like a pastry named "fuckup with marmalade" because everything was tranlsated word by word using an online dictionary.

Anyone up for a serving of salted beef jumbled signal?

ucim wrote:Unfortunately, it's very hard to find this film.

Isn't that the opposite of what the comic is about? A film that you need to see because it's good and nobody has seen it, rather than because it's popular and everyone has?

So, more like the Mark Twain definition of a "classic"? (A book that everyone wants to have read, but nobody wants to read.)

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby ucim » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:17 am UTC

Mikeski wrote:Isn't that the opposite of what the comic is about?
Yeah, I guess so. If an algebraic sign is wrong, change it. :)

I'd say it belongs in the class with 8 1/2, which is well known but I don't think lots of people have seen it. But then 8 1/2 is also not a film that "everyone has seen".

There is a period in a person's life where seeing films is important - generally 18-30. After that, I think there's a lot less of a "must see" reaction when a new picture comes out, and certainly seeing it eight times probably doesn't happen when one is older. And until recently, if you didn't see it in the theater when it came out, you probably won't see it (the way it needs to be seen). Seeing a film on tv is just not the same (although now with HD and big flat screens that's changing).

I don't know how popular Colossus was at the time, but it should have been popular among the SF set. And then it disappeared, limiting the number of people who could join in later.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Wee Red Bird » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:10 am UTC

xtifr wrote:And now we're going to discover that a whole bunch of people have never seen The IT Crowd. And many of them may even be unaware that they should see it. Which makes this all a bit meta! :D

(For those who are confused: Wee Red Bird and SecondTalon are quoting from a television show. Quoting characters who, in-universe, probably spend a lot more time reading xkcd than watching football. Quoting the only TV show I've seen where one of the main characters wore an EFF t-shirt.)

The IT Crowd is one of many British comedy shows that they tried to remake for an American market, changed it too much and failed miserably. Like Red Dwarf, it never went past the pilot.

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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby Sableagle » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:12 am UTC

Various Varieties wrote:Dirty Harry is one of those films where you can know the Most Famous Bit and yet still avoid it being a plot spoiler. I'd was very familiar with the famous quote (the one about shooting either six shots or only five, the .44 Magnum which would blow your head clean off, and that one must ask oneself whether one feels lucky) many times prior to watching the film, thanks to reading quotes or seeing a clip of that speech, or seeing it parodied. And yet that's where all the clips cut off, so until I watched the full movie a few years ago I didn't know how that scene ends: does he shoot the man or not?
Spoiler:
If you were counting shots, you knew he had one left. He lowers the hammer as he walks away then cocks it again as he comes back, cycling the cylinder to the first spent case. People still think he was out of ammo and bluffing.
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Re: 1769: "Never seen Star Wars"

Postby da Doctah » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:08 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:
Various Varieties wrote:Dirty Harry is one of those films where you can know the Most Famous Bit and yet still avoid it being a plot spoiler. I'd was very familiar with the famous quote (the one about shooting either six shots or only five, the .44 Magnum which would blow your head clean off, and that one must ask oneself whether one feels lucky) many times prior to watching the film, thanks to reading quotes or seeing a clip of that speech, or seeing it parodied. And yet that's where all the clips cut off, so until I watched the full movie a few years ago I didn't know how that scene ends: does he shoot the man or not?
Spoiler:
If you were counting shots, you knew he had one left. He lowers the hammer as he walks away then cocks it again as he comes back, cycling the cylinder to the first spent case. People still think he was out of ammo and bluffing.

Wrong answer.
Spoiler:
He does both. The whole speech about whether the punk feels lucky happens twice in the movie, once with each outcome. In both cases, the punk in question guesses wrong.


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