Re: The Evil Auction Game Over! Town and Survivor Win!

[fearless]

Geez, frog and chicken: do you two internet all day long? (Yeah i can't believe I used internet as a verb) but seriously you're making us all look bad :p

Conman claiming not-vanilla-town but not-power-town either. Hmm, not sure if this is incredibly stupid, or if it's so stupid that it's actually smart O_O. Something a jester would do but luckily we don't have that in this game. Anyways, I don't think a mafia would be make such a hazardous claim so i believe the claim.

Sorry for using the term miller so loosely, but what I was saying was that if someone claimed they got a bribery then we would never use investigations on them and have to judge them based on their actions, just like a miller. And also like a miller they would be automatically a bit suspicious but it would be best for them to claim to help town as a whole anyway. If we had two claimed bribery holders then we could be confident the rest of our investigations were reliable which would be a huge advantage for a couple of our useful powers.

Fair enough - I hadn't actually thought about that. I suppose at the end of the day it's up to the people with the bribery role to decide upon the merits of revealing. Also there is nothing preventing a mafia from falsely claiming they have the bribery role just so they could avoid being investigated... seems like a gamble but I've seen enough crazy stuff happening not to completely reject the possibility.

What's "RVS"?

I'm really trying to understand silknor, but every time I read his post I just see "blah blah" :/ If he was scum it would be a clever tactic. Or maybe I'm just being retarded -_-

Now to address that one liner that so many of you picked up and deemed 'weird' - really I've been like this is every single game, and will be like this in future games as well. Sorry if that unsettles you.

[Mostlynormal]

That said, there is no reason for a townie to attempt to convince others to hunt down a survivor. ID yes, but not look to lynch. Suspicious.

I agree with this. Roband, while having a survivor alive won't always work in our favor, it is so much more beneficial to lynch scum. Therefore, we should be actively going after scum, therefore, we shouldn't be actively going after a survivor.

Since I'd like to get a vote down and I think targeting the survivor looks like an attempt to get some focus off of scum:

Vote: Roband

Which also reminds me that I had an FoS on Chickenfish for that, so IGMEOY day 2.

Also, Boomfrog's posts are still really weird. Why are you leaning so heavily on people's bid decisions for evidence? I don't want to go after someone who's posting so much yet, but it also seems like you're posting very weirdly

Let's get specific. Do you think the following four claims are believable:

I didn't bid on any of the scum roles, even though the statistics thread said that I do better as scum than as town.

On failed bids for scum roles.. I didn't read this thread much before making my choices for bids - and bidding on scum roles didn't seem like a priority to me.

Geez, I got such a useless power. Was my fault really. Too lazy to read through everything -

If we are going with claiming our role bids, the only bid I made was 15 for chocolate townie,

I picked these because they are the most interesting to discuss that I don't think will help scum to discuss them. But scum will have trouble forming an honest opinion on them.

I don't think any of those claims are beleivable. They may be true, but we have no reason to trust them. I don't think they're scummy though. Just pretty useless. I can see lying scum, honest town, and lying town all as possiblities.

[Chickenfish]

@Roband:

Yes, yes there is... If it comes down to two scum, 3 town and 1 survivor, survivor will side with scum.

This is inaccurate. There are two cases:

Known survivor:
A confirmed/fairly trusted claimed survivor has no reason to take action. On average town approximates LYLO here. Regardless of it they vote for town, scum, or do not vote, everyone else will ignore them.

Unknown survivor:
There is no particular reason to act as a scum instead of as a townie. If they act scummy in their votes, they may get lynched/attacked by a vig. If they act townie, scum may inadvertently take them out. There is no reason why they will systematically favor one side over another.

This seems to be discussing general strategy, and not the actual issue at hand. There isn't a vig in this setup, so the way I see it is once s/he's the majority decider, there's no reason the Survivor wouldn't side with scum.

That said, there is no reason for a townie to attempt to convince others to hunt down a survivor. ID yes, but not look to lynch. Suspicious.

This I do agree with. I realise that earlier I voted earlier based on suspicions of BoomFrog being Survivor, but it was also coupled with feelings of him being scum, and if he's Survivor it wouldn't have been ideal but could've been much worse.

Geez, frog and chicken: do you two internet all day long? (Yeah i can't believe I used internet as a verb) but seriously you're making us all look bad :p

Boring job + smart phone

Also there is nothing preventing a mafia from falsely claiming they have the bribery role just so they could avoid being investigated... seems like a gamble but I've seen enough crazy stuff happening not to completely reject the possibility.

This is exactly the strategy I spoke about before that I "didn't want to tell scum how to play"... probably better to keep things like this to yourself in case they hadn't considered it...

What's "RVS"?

Random Voting Stage. That's how I use it, anyway...

I'm really trying to understand silknor, but every time I read his post I just see "blah blah" :/ If he was scum it would be a clever tactic. Or maybe I'm just being retarded -_-

Dunno how I feel about this analysis. Do you mean "blah blah" as in there's not much content, or it's largely wine, or something else?

Now to address that one liner that so many of you picked up and deemed 'weird' - really I've been like this is every single game, and will be like this in future games as well. Sorry if that unsettles you.

This instance of it just read as a bit more forced to me. I'd be willing to concede that it is just your style, but I wasn't going to not say my opinions just because of that.

That said, there is no reason for a townie to attempt to convince others to hunt down a survivor. ID yes, but not look to lynch. Suspicious.

I agree with this. Roband, while having a survivor alive won't always work in our favor, it is so much more beneficial to lynch scum. Therefore, we should be actively going after scum, therefore, we shouldn't be actively going after a survivor.

Since I'd like to get a vote down and I think targeting the survivor looks like an attempt to get some focus off of scum:

Vote: Roband

Which also reminds me that I had an FoS on Chickenfish for that, so IGMEOY day 2.

I agree that actively attempting to lynch Survivor isn't particularly strategic. I don't remember doing anything other than attempting to ID who I thought was Survivor, but fair enough.

[Chickenfish]

Far out...
I do solemnly swear to use to preview button from this point forth...

[BoomFrog]

Dude, you're wrong.

Wanna know what my PM to the mod said, for bidding on roles?

It was 15 Mar 2012 at 10:39 (GMT)

"If the relevant time has not passed, one would like to attempt a payment of 35 for each role listed, in the order they are listed.
If such a time has passed, then I shall lament and be sad with myself. "

I'm not allowed to quote PMs, but that should give you the gist. I genuinely didn't know what the fuck was going on in this game...

So you bid without reading any roles?

@MN: Unlike all other games, this game scum chose to be scum. That gives us a lot to work with compared to most D1.

[BoomFrog]

Better question for Roband. Why did you think 35 out of 250 available energy was a reasonable bid with your belief that this was the only thing being bid for? That seems quite low.

[roband]

I am not saying we should target the survivor. I am saying MN is scummy for saying that we do not need to worry about the survivor. Its the weekend and I'm posting from my phone - when is deadline? If you're gonna make the mistake of lynching me I wanr to at least make sure I get all my thoughts out before you do.

Re: why bid so low, I was rushed and not really thinking - I honestly thought I could win more than one role. Last time me and Lataro played the vote-for-powers game, he won LOADS by bidding just above the figure which was (total life amount) divided by (number of roles).

It seems I've spent the whole game getting confused about powers and roles.

I have no other explaination to give, I'm afraid.

[t1mm01994]

Pssht... Lynching does not always kill you. As a matter of fact, it will usually deal around 50 energy damage.

[mpolo]

Wow, Friday was quite busy around here.

BoomFrog's little tell on roband is interesting. I'm not 100% convinced, partially because roband does seem to be reasonably confused about things, so could have made many mistakes. However, the fact that the vampire could specificially lead to a confusion about the powers is rather compelling. I haven't seen any real answer to this charge, other than "I'm confused." On the other hand, he already has several votes, and I don't want to push the day too quickly.

I have to admit that I kind of jumped over the thick of the ChickenFish/BoomFrog debate. Anybody want to give a short summary of the positions exposed there? For the moment, I'm tending to think that both are eager town (as scum generally has to be more careful about what they say). Sooner or later, I'll get around to re-reading these arguments, but not today.

t1mm has been mentioned as appearing scummy, but I haven't really seen this up to now.

Silknor has been a little reserved, but this is reasonable at the stage of the game.

Mostlynormal has shown a certain amount of interest in the survivor role, but not enough that I would say 100% that he has it.

It would be interesting to know (but probably more damaging than helpful to town) how many powers the Lonely Collector ended up with. I know that I put down pittance votes on some powers that I had little interest in, and I suspect that others may have done the same, meaning that the LC is likely a powerless independent.

It would also be interesting to know how many powers ended up "unbought" because people had reached their cutoff limits. But I wouldn't advocate trying to figure this out, as it would force way more claiming than we want.

[Lataro]

Votals:

roband - 2 - (Boomfrog, Mostlynormal)

Six to lynch, deadline in about ~63 hours from now.

matt96 and TheMaskedGecko have been prodded for unreasonably long inactivity.

[matt96]

I was just looking back over the thread and found this:

I didn't mean scum roles. I meant scum powers.

Sorry, the double bidding thing confused me. I thought all along I would bid for one thing (that's what happens when you don't read the thread - evidently) and that's what my role (including a power would be).

So, I didn't bid for any scum powers. Which now I have read the thread, maybe I should have done.

Roband, why would you specifically say you didn't bid for any scum powers? If you really didn't understand the whole double bidding thing, then why would you specifically say that you didn't bid for any scum powers?

Let L represent we should lynch Roband, T represent Roband is town, P represent that Roband's role has an inherent power that he does not have to bid on in phase 3, B represent Roband is able to correctly bid on roles during the power bid phase, U represent Roband understanding the double bidding mechanic, C represent Roband being the lonely collector, M represent Roband being Mafia, A represent Roband being the Ancient Vampire, S represent I am sorry, F represent my formal logic is incorrect formatted, and W represent that my logic about Roband is wrong
L iff ~T
~T iff P
~B if (C V ~U)
~U if P
P if (C V M V A)
S iff (F V W)

[roband]

Wut?

[t1mm01994]

L iff ~T (1)
~T iff P (2)
~B if (C V ~U) (3)
~U if P (4)
P if (C V M V A) (5)
S iff (F V W) (6)

Let's write this out in words:
(1) Lynch roband if and only if roband is not town.
(2) roband is not town if and only if Roband has an inherent power that he does not have to bid on in phase 3
(3) roband is not able to correctly bid on roles during the power phase if either roband is the lonely collector, or roband does not understand the mechanic
(4) roband does not understand the mechanic if he has an inherent power that he does not have to bid on in phase 3
(5) roband has an inherent power taht he does not have to bid on in phase 3 if roband is the lonely collector, or mafia, or the ancient vampire.
(6) he's sorry if his logic is off or wrongly formatted.
(2) and (5) roughly restate eachother; not town means Collector, vamp or mafia, and is a role you don't have to bid on, and I'm going to say 4 is boldly off. You can have a bidding power and understand the mechanic, or not have a power and understand, or whatever.
So, now into actual sentences, using the numbers to indicate where I used what:
(2): If you're not town, that is, either Collector, Mafia, or Vampire, (1) we should lynch you. You could only have not bid on roles correctly if either you didn't understand what was going on (your claim), or you are non-town. I'm very sorry if this is off.
Or translated to actual content:

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So yeah,
Vote: matt96

for making me spend loads of time on something contentless. I know you're sorry. I do not care.

[t1mm01994]

I'm going to double post as I'm frustrated.
Let's take a closer look at these statements.
1: If roband is not town, we should lynch him.
Wow! How helpful!
2 and 5 combined: If he's not town, he's one of the Mafia, or the Ancient Vampire, or the Lonely Collector.
Wow! How helpful!


... I should really stop my diet of cynism pills but I can't.

[matt96]

we should lynch Roband if and only if Roband is not town
Roband is not town if and only if Roband's role has an inherent power that he does not have to bid on in phase 3
Roband is not able to correctly bid on roles during the power bid phase if ( Roband is the lonely collector or Roband does not understand the double bidding mechanic)
Roband does not understand the double bidding mechanic if Roband's role has an inherent power that he does not have to bid on in phase 3
This one should have been Roband's role has an inherent power that he does not have to bid on in phase 3 if Roband does not understand the double bidding mechanic (the double bidding mechanic being the 2 phases of bidding, otherwise this entire logic thing is completely off)
Roband's role has an inherent power that he does not have to bid on in phase 3 if ( Roband is the lonely collector or Roband is Mafia or Roband is the Ancient Vampire)
I am sorry if and only if (my formal logic is incorrectly done or my logic about Roband is wrong)

I had to fix a few things which means my formal logic was incorrectly done, so I am sorry
I last did stuff with logic almost a year ago.

[t1mm01994]

There's no conclusion, no coherence, no content. Just.. No Co.

[matt96]

There's no conclusion, no coherence, no content. Just.. No Co.

Thank you for reminding me that I forgot to ask if anyone disagreed with what I was saying.

[Mostlynormal]

I think T1mm's problem is that it doesn't really tell us anything. It looks like you're arguing for a Roband lynch, but it'd be much better to right it out in plain English in a way that flows. What most people would disagree with anyway is your premises, not your argument.

I am not saying we should target the survivor. I am saying MN is scummy for saying that we do not need to worry about the survivor.

How were you not saying that? What is scummy about not wanting to worry about the survivor--the way it focuses attention on scum? I suppose you could call me survivor-y for not wanting to waste time on the survivor. But I think it's also in town's interest not to waste time on the survivor.

As a side note, I'm not trying to softclaim survivor, if it sounds like that in my posts. I'm just following a hypothetical.

Pssht... Lynching does not always kill you. As a matter of fact, it will usually deal around 50 energy damage.

That reminded me of something. I think when we lynch someone, we should commit to lynching them every day until they die (unless there's something that really makes us think they're town, or we get a scum result on someone else from a cop). The only way to get information is to see their dead body, and if they are town then lynching them once without finishing the job just leaves a weaker target for scum. Also, we should all pile on to one target and hammer them before the deadline so that we waste as few days lynching them as possible. This makes sense, right? Also, we shouldn't waste a cop on them because a scum result would be useless for someone we're already lynching and a town result would leave us with a weak confirmed townie and a claimed cop as juicy targets for scum.

[TheMaskedGecko]

Players:Arrggh, spent ages on a full analysis post, then slipped and reloaded the page. Here's what I can remember of the summaries:

fearless-Neutral, try to look up stuff/work it out from context instead of asking as it looks a little like you're playing the newb card and you've played a few too many games for that to wash

roband-Neutral although I'm wary of the confusion claims being insurance in case of later scum slips

T1mm01994-Seems reasonable (but then he always does) until that matt vote. I'm guessing it's a joke but the lack of proper backing up is disturbing

mpolo-His claims ping me slightly, feeling slightly like he is trying to coerce similar claims from town

ConMan-His bid claims feel suspect. Combined with his contentlessness this leads me to beleive he's scum

Mostlynormal The argument with tim makes me feel that he has at least one energy raising power and/or is the vampire

BoomFrog-Agressive town

Chickenfish-Suicidal play is rarely pro-town. If this doesn't disappear tomorrow then he's getting a vote, despite the risk that he possesses an attention seeker.

This is where my post disappeared, so the next two will get full analyses'

Silknor-Groucho is a neutral power. Doesn't want full claims. Dislikes wine. Apologises for non-committalness day 1. Doesn't want to kill the lone collector. Little content but what there is seems reasonable

Matt96-Claims to only have bid 15 for chocolate town for no good reason. Then nothing until just now, when he comes along and logics at us. Very low content there.Do I really have enough chutzpah to accuse anyone of lurking. Yes, yes I do. He's lurking.

Apologies: Not posting sooner- my week became suddenly busier than I expected.
The skeletal nature of my analysis: I did do full ones, but pressed ctrl+r instead of shift+r. Seriously, fuck laptop keyboards. I'll try and reanalyse tomorrow (real time) if I have time.

Tactics/plans: I feel that the mafia is more dangerous than vampire for now, especially with multiple murderous powers. Claims should be avoided unless they definitley give town an edge. The survivor role isn't really worth getting rid of, as atm its in their interests to help town. Any investigation results that don't find anything interesting shouldn't be claimed. In touch with nature will be really useful for finding vampires. If there's anything else you want my opinions on then ask.

Vote: conman

[t1mm01994]

Hint: I don't always vote seriously.
Unvote
as I believe that matt understood that posting in English is valued.

[Chickenfish]

That reminded me of something. I think when we lynch someone, we should commit to lynching them every day until they die (unless there's something that really makes us think they're town, or we get a scum result on someone else from a cop). The only way to get information is to see their dead body, and if they are town then lynching them once without finishing the job just leaves a weaker target for scum. Also, we should all pile on to one target and hammer them before the deadline so that we waste as few days lynching them as possible. This makes sense, right?

This is awful. I don't like it at all. There is so much information we get of a night, it is absurd to imply we should ignore what we get. Even based simply on what energy levels people have going into the night then coming out the next morning, everybody gets a bit more information about what's out there. There are several investigative roles, the possibility of somebody/people actually dying from mafia/AV hits.
If we refuse to reassess every day, the AV wins. It's that simple. Even if it somehow only takes us 4 nights to kill the 3 scum, it's almost impossible for the AV to lose from there. S/he's gained 100 energy, everyone else is probably looking pretty weak, and our lynched are only doing about 65 (8 players, 5 to lynch with Lynched: Lose (30+5*number of players voting for lynchee+10 if the day ended because of a hammer and not time ran out) energy), with the AV still gaining 25 per night.
Suggesting 'we stick to our guns' despite the myriad of information we'll get of a night just doesn't sit right with me.
Vote: Mostlynormal

Chickenfish-Suicidal play is rarely pro-town. If this doesn't disappear tomorrow then he's getting a vote, despite the risk that he possesses an attention seeker.What's my suicidal play? I'm confused...
Also, attention seeker is hardly a risk, as the net result of it for anybody not lynched is gaining 1 energy per person voting for you (<--- ironically suicidal in the context of considering a vote on me)

Or translated to actual content:

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So yeah,
Vote: matt96

for making me spend loads of time on something contentless. I know you're sorry. I do not care.

Totally agree, t1mm, as well as getting a good laugh.

There's no conclusion, no coherence, no content. Just.. No Co.

Thank you for reminding me that I forgot to ask if anyone disagreed with what I was saying.

Well I'm sure we don't disagree, it's just that the whole thing was unnecessary. It was basic theory of the game (lynch roband if he's not town, eg), just stated in a way that made it look like an attempt to post content.
FoS: matt

[Mostlynormal]

This is awful. I don't like it at all. There is so much information we get of a night, it is absurd to imply we should ignore what we get.

(unless there's something that really makes us think they're town, or we get a scum result on someone else from a cop)

The point was, we can't lynch A and then say "Oh wait I think B's scummier, let's lynch B" D2 and then "Wait no C is scummiest, let's lynch C," or else we'll lose. Of course we should take into account info from the night. But, barring nearly confirmed scum, we need to get people lynched as fast as possible so we don't spend so many nights getting nightkilled.

[matt96]

I just re-read the powers in the original post, and came up with what might just be a brilliant idea to manipulate a specific power to work as a makeshift cop with the result of scum or not scum. I am not sure if I should post it, as it could give scum useful information on what I think we should do, but I am leaning heavily towards telling everyone what it is (more of I am trying to get the precise wording of what a certain power does to help town more than it probably should, and as soon as I post it Lataro might change the wording of the power in the rules, unless it actually is how the power was inteded to be used, and I am getting over excited for something really obvious)

Also, if I don't post a huge amount, it is probably because I am working on my huge history project, simply meaning every so often until it is done, there may be between 12 and at a generous maximum of 24 hours where I won't at least read over the thread and post something if something that I feel I should comment on has happened.

[mpolo]

I understand the temptation of "lynch-em-till-they-die", but I fear that MostlyNormal is blowing off Chickenfish's argument far too lightly. If we get real information that identifies a vampire or a scum or a collector who is using his powers for evil, then we really do have to switch lynch targets, and it would be silly to keep steadfastly on the one we were dealing with at first. We have to take the information gained in the night into account and not speed-lynch the person we lynched the day before.

[Mostlynormal]

We have to take the information gained in the night into account and not speed-lynch the person we lynched the day before.

I agree with you. We should take info from the night into account. But if nothing major changes, we want to kill our first lynch target before moving on. And when we do lynch someone we should make sure to hammer them so we do as much damage as possible. That's all I was trying to say.

[roband]

And when we do lynch someone we should make sure to hammer them so we do as much damage as possible.

If everyone agrees on the lynch, then yes. If the votes are split, then you can't expect people to change votes at the last minute to the person with most votes, to inflict more damage on someone they think is not scum...

[Lataro]

Y'all got less than 36 hours.

[roband]

Vote: mostlynormal

Half for the survivor thing, which I stand by, and half as self-preservation. I'm not proud of it, but I have to do it.

[t1mm01994]

Y'all know what? I'm staying out of the butted heads, and instead I'll
Vote: matt96
again. Basically claimed vanilla/chocolate town, which narrows the path for scum/vamp to the cop/doc, and said very little that's useful apart from that. On roband vs. MN: I'm thinking one of them is an indie, (AV or LC respectively) but I'm really not sure and I promised myself to play this one cautiously.

[TheMaskedGecko]

I'm going to let my vote stand and ask chickenfish to be more careful with his quotes. I didn't write some of that stuff^.

[Chickenfish]

Y'all know what? I'm staying out of the butted heads, and instead I'll
Vote: matt96
again. Basically claimed vanilla/chocolate town, which narrows the path for scum/vamp to the cop/doc, and said very little that's useful apart from that. On roband vs. MN: I'm thinking one of them is an indie, (AV or LC respectively) but I'm really not sure and I promised myself to play this one cautiously.

Can you clarify your vote, t1mm? It seems like you're voting for Matt as punishment for playing town poorly, rather than someone you suspect could be AV...?
@TMG: I tend to do quick phone posts at work, and have been consistently failing in ending my quotes properly. The stuff that's inaccurately attributed is my comments - if it's hard for people to read I can fix it in a EBWOP, but figured that was creating twice as much text as necessary. Very sorry, I know it's a pain :S

[BoomFrog]

@Roband: You're not in any danger, I believe you about the bid 35 thing. Your story is too ridiculous to be false. I let my vote linger because I was hoping to catch some scum trying to jump on a bandwagon.

About MN: lynch em hard theory I agree with his sentiment that we should pick whoever is at majority near the end of the day and hammer them unless you REALLY strongly disagree with the lynch. If your on the fence, then help hammer. If they don't die from the lynch then it's like we No-lynched. Mpolo is really straw-manning MN's argument. MN clearly was never saying we should speed-lynch anyone. So some scummy points for mpolo there.

About Matt: Don't obfuscate your speech. Why did you think that mess of "formal logic" was a good idea? About your "power abuse" I think I figured out what your talking about.

Lataro: Does demagogue give you 20 energy if you lynch scum but the scum doesn't die?

@Timm: Seriously, if Matt is chocolate townie then voting him doesn't help, and if he is scum then he didn't narrow down the field at all. Your reasoning seems odd.

TMG's post was excellent I agree with almost everything he said, especially being unhappy with Conman's posting so far.

Unvote:
Vote: Conman

[BoomFrog]

Oh. And I think that Super Sayan Mode is most likely a townie power. It is basically NK immunity for one night and it is in town's best interests that scum doesn't know who has it or when they use it. So I think we should all engage in some healthy screaming every day to hide the true Super Sayan so they can use their power by surprise and hopefully waste some scummy NK powers.

Super Sayan Mode: One night per game you can change your energy level to 9001. To do this you must post, "RaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" during the preceding day phase. That night you are immune to roleblocks. The next day your energy returns to the amount that it was before you used this power. (Therefore that night you are effectively immune to energy damage and costs.)

In conclusion, RaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[matt96]

About Matt: Don't obfuscate your speech. Why did you think that mess of "formal logic" was a good idea? About your "power abuse" I think I figured out what your talking about.

Lataro: Does demagogue give you 20 energy if you lynch scum but the scum doesn't die?

I'll give you a hint, you figured it out yourself.
And I disagree with what you said about super sayan mode, as if someone does that, then scum knows that person can't possibly use it in the future, but I think if some one is in a tough situation, they should do the yelling thing to be wine against scum, as they could be weak and be finished off by the NK, or scum could be wasting a NK on them.

[BoomFrog]

You still didn't answer: Why did you think that mess of "formal logic" was a good idea?

Also, if you have SSM and do the scream it doesn't mean you HAVE to use the power that night. Just that you can.

[Lataro]

Regarding demagogue, it is if lynched, not killed, I will stick to these powers as closely as possible to the letter of what they do. No more, no less. Take that to mean what you will.

[matt96]

It wasn't so much that I thought it was a good idea so much as I had been prodded for inactivity and was desperate to post something, and I don't see where you are getting the idea that SSM isn't activated simply by screaming or whatever, it seems to me based on the power's description that it is directly and irreversibly triggered by screaming. I hope that clears it up for you.

Ninja'd by Lataro's clarification of demagogue: well the power does say that if you are voting for the person lynched at the end of the day, you gain 5 energy if they are town and 20 energy if they are scum, nothing is mentioned about independents, so that might be a good way to confirm the allignment of the person lynched, and will be useful for finding the AV/lonely collector.

[matt96]

Ebwop: just re-read the power, I was mistaken, it is 20 if scum, 5 if not, so it can't be used to find independents.

[BoomFrog]

If only we had someone to ask to clarify the rules...

is the Ancient Vampire "Scum"? Is the lonely collector?

If the holder of Super Sayan Mode posts, "RaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" is activating the power still optional?

@Matt: I gave some specific quotes that you could have given an opinion on. There is plenty to talk about. Who do you think is scummy?

[BoomFrog]

We've got about 24 hours left.

Unofficial vtotals:

roband - 1 - (Mostlynormal)
matt96 - 1 - (t1mm)
conman - 2 - (TMG, BoomFrog)
Mostlynormal - 2 - (ChickenFish, roband)

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