Re: The Evil Auction Game Over! Town and Survivor Win!

[Mostlynormal]

How about lynch vampire and Demagouge also? Even if "plenty" was a little loose, my point is the same: there are too many town-ish roles that give energy to just going around lynching anyone who's energy goes up.

[Chickenfish]

I agree, but at the end of the day SK is our biggest threat here I think. Anything we can do to stop them needs to be done.
The problem with in tune with nature is the margin of error could make it appear somebody gained energy when they didn't, but yeah, it's worth looking out for

[roband]

I forgot how damn confusing this game is. More later, when I can actually concentrate on it all.

[t1mm01994]

Mostlynormal: Is 4 "plenty" then? Of which 2 are /incredibly/ easy to point out, and only increase 7/mostly 5 per day? Wow.
No, I mean, obviously, my argument is completely invalid now. I cannot begin to describe how incredibly refuted it is.
But seriously, that finger ain't going nowhere.

[Mostlynormal]

Mostlynormal: Is 4 "plenty" then? Of which 2 are /incredibly/ easy to point out, and only increase 7/mostly 5 per day? Wow.
No, I mean, obviously, my argument is completely invalid now. I cannot begin to describe how incredibly refuted it is.
But seriously, that finger ain't going nowhere.

You're making absolutely no sense. I admitted that "plenty" was loose. But four townie powers that all increase energy means we can't go lynching willy nilly over increased energy. In fact, when you say "easy to point out, and only increase 7/mostly 5 per day" you are agreeing with me. In a situation where someone gained exactly 7 or 5 energy, we wouldn't lynch them just because the energy went up, we would assume they had the corresponding power and leave them alone.

I'm not sure why you're being so hostile. It's really just baffling. Do you really think my argument is so terrible, or are you just trying to confuse me? Perhaps this is your celebrated "do random crap on D1 to stir things up," but right now it's making no sense. I can't think of why any alignment would do this except to confuse, which is generally not townie.

So yeah, you get a free FoS in return.

[Chickenfish]

MN, I think the problem is that t1mm came up with something (I agree it's hardly foolproof, but it's something) and you shot it down as though it wasn't valid. At the end of the day it's definitely something the controller of ITWN should at least be keeping in mind and looking for a trend, but it needs to be taken with 1 +/- 30 grains of salt.
Lataro - could you please explain how In Tune With Nature will work? For the 'within 30', will you be randomly generating a number in the range from x-15 to x+15 (x being true energy)? Also values being given based on 'the start of the day' - will this be the start of the day about to start, or the start of the day before the night the info is given?

[Lataro]

The value will be in a range of 30 using the following scale.

1-30
30-60
60-90
90-120
120-150
Ect...

Thus, no randomness

The power is used at night and results are given at the start of the next day.

[Chickenfish]

The value will be in a range of 30 using the following scale.

1-30
30-60
60-90
90-120
120-150
Ect...

Thus, no randomness

The power is used at night and results are given at the start of the next day.

Cheers for that!
Ok so some of what I said earlier doesn't apply. Given that a gain in energy from ITWN does certainly show a gain in life, whoever has it watch closely! (and please be town )

[BoomFrog]

I will claim that I'm not Vanilla Town, but I'm also not one of the particularly well-powered townies either.

Why oh god why would you claim "not-power town"? You're not a noob anymore and this basic principle really doesn't change in this bizarre format. Don't answer if it's going to reveal more info helpful to scum though.

Miller is a terrible way to describe bribery... that's almost the worst possible use for that ability. I'd FoS him if my vote didn't already imply that...
Furthermore:
...
Totally agree that outing bribery is a terrible suggestion... made by the same BoomFrog who said we shouldn't claim bids. He did add the exception of bribery, but through absolutely terrible logic. I'd FoS him again if I'd done it in the first place...

Sorry for using the term miller so loosely, but what I was saying was that if someone claimed they got a bribery then we would never use investigations on them and have to judge them based on their actions, just like a miller. And also like a miller they would be automatically a bit suspicious but it would be best for them to claim to help town as a whole anyway. If we had two claimed bribery holders then we could be confident the rest of our investigations were reliable which would be a huge advantage for a couple of our useful powers.

Also, laying on a little think eh ChickenFish?

So anyway, I think the scum cost claiming has been interesting, mostly because my scum bids looked like this:

Ancient Vampire: 72
Lonely Collector: 52 points
Game of Thrones Kingpin: 22
Game of Thrones Thug: 22
Game of Thrones Newbie: 13

And I think anyone who actually checked their bid PM would have noticed the mod maddness and copy-pasted without bothering to edit to fix the role names.

Also I just looked up the values in the PM I sent when we were asked for bids... seems like the obvious way to go...

So:

Vote: ChickenFish

And a big ol' FOS to MostlyNormal

[Chickenfish]

Miller is a terrible way to describe bribery... that's almost the worst possible use for that ability. I'd FoS him if my vote didn't already imply that...
Furthermore:
...
Totally agree that outing bribery is a terrible suggestion... made by the same BoomFrog who said we shouldn't claim bids. He did add the exception of bribery, but through absolutely terrible logic. I'd FoS him again if I'd done it in the first place...

Sorry for using the term miller so loosely, but what I was saying was that if someone claimed they got a bribery then we would never use investigations on them and have to judge them based on their actions, just like a miller. And also like a miller they would be automatically a bit suspicious but it would be best for them to claim to help town as a whole anyway. If we had two claimed bribery holders then we could be confident the rest of our investigations were reliable which would be a huge advantage for a couple of our useful powers.

I completely disagree with this logic. I don't want to tell scum how to play, so I'm not going to elaborate, but I'm sure you'll figure out the flaw.

Also, laying on a little think eh ChickenFish?

Considering we may as well be RVS, I'm happy with what I've seen so far.

So anyway, I think the scum cost claiming has been interesting, mostly because my scum bids looked like this:

Ancient Vampire: 72
Lonely Collector: 52 points
Game of Thrones Kingpin: 22
Game of Thrones Thug: 22
Game of Thrones Newbie: 13

And I think anyone who actually checked their bid PM would have noticed the mod maddness and copy-pasted without bothering to edit to fix the role names.

Also I just looked up the values in the PM I sent when we were asked for bids... seems like the obvious way to go...

Now this is laying it on a little thick. Especially considering there's a massively flawed assumption here in the first place - that I sent my PM out looking like that.
When I was initially organising my bids in a separate doc (so as not to lose a post like these sites often like doing to me), I manually typed the role names. When I was done, I copied and pasted them and sent the PM, so now that mod madness is over my PM looks normal. Just because you copied and pasted the role names from here into a PM then wrote bids next to them, it doesn't mean we all did.

So:

Vote: ChickenFish

And a big ol' FOS to MostlyNormal

I'm noticing a theme in these 2 games I've played with you
Still, though, yours is pretty much an OMGUS, you're just reaching to justify it.

[Chickenfish]

EBWOP: Formatting fail in my previous post. That'll teach me not to preview. middle bit should be:

So anyway, I think the scum cost claiming has been interesting, mostly because my scum bids looked like this:

Ancient Vampire: 72
Lonely Collector: 52 points
Game of Thrones Kingpin: 22
Game of Thrones Thug: 22
Game of Thrones Newbie: 13

And I think anyone who actually checked their bid PM would have noticed the mod maddness and copy-pasted without bothering to edit to fix the role names.

Also I just looked up the values in the PM I sent when we were asked for bids... seems like the obvious way to go...

Now this is laying it on a little thick. Especially considering there's a massively flawed assumption here in the first place - that I sent my PM out looking like that.
When I was initially organising my bids in a separate doc (so as not to lose a post like these sites often like doing to me), I manually typed the role names. When I was done, I copied and pasted them and sent the PM, so now that mod madness is over my PM looks normal. Just because you copied and pasted the role names from here into a PM then wrote bids next to them, it doesn't mean we all did.

[BoomFrog]

I completely disagree with this logic. I don't want to tell scum how to play, so I'm not going to elaborate, but I'm sure you'll figure out the flaw.

Yeah, I noticed the flaw this morning, but I was hoping some scum would claim a bribery since I'm pretty sure at this point that no townie got one. PRobably not going to work at this point though.

Considering we may as well be RVS, I'm happy with what I've seen so far.

I'm not, there's a lot of very quiet people hiding around the fringes right now.

When I was initially organising my bids in a separate doc (so as not to lose a post like these sites often like doing to me), I manually typed the role names. When I was done, I copied and pasted them and sent the PM, so now that mod madness is over my PM looks normal. Just because you copied and pasted the role names from here into a PM then wrote bids next to them, it doesn't mean we all did.

Grumble, grumble. Yeah that's plausible since you either had to type it out or delete a bunch of extra info...

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I'm noticing a theme in these 2 games I've played with you
Still, though, yours is pretty much an OMGUS, you're just reaching to justify it.

I'd really rather not get in a headbutting match with you if your town. Right now it's very hard to judge since I don't have a "normal" meta for you to compare to. You're being very aggressive and abrasive, but it's hard to see if it's scummy. Still, I know you got the idea in your head from the phase three posts that I'm not town but don't let that turn into confirmation bias.

I'd like to hear from people besides ChickenFish. Who's scummy and who's townie?

I'm feeling townie about Matt and Fearless, and a little scummy about CF, t1mm and MN but I think those last three are simply because they are the most active.

[Chickenfish]

I completely disagree with this logic. I don't want to tell scum how to play, so I'm not going to elaborate, but I'm sure you'll figure out the flaw.

Yeah, I noticed the flaw this morning, but I was hoping some scum would claim a bribery since I'm pretty sure at this point that no townie got one. PRobably not going to work at this point though.

I'm inclined to agree, largely because town don't need the ability other than to stop scum having it. I know my bid wasn't competitive...

Considering we may as well be RVS, I'm happy with what I've seen so far.

I'm not, there's a lot of very quiet people hiding around the fringes right now.

Yeah sorry, terribly worded on my part. I meant given how far we are into this game (read: not very), there was a bit more strength behind my vote than I'd expected. Definitely need some more input from most though.

I'm noticing a theme in these 2 games I've played with you
Still, though, yours is pretty much an OMGUS, you're just reaching to justify it.

I'd really rather not get in a headbutting match with you if your town. Right now it's very hard to judge since I don't have a "normal" meta for you to compare to. You're being very aggressive and abrasive, but it's hard to see if it's scummy. Still, I know you got the idea in your head from the phase three posts that I'm not town but don't let that turn into confirmation bias.

Yeah, head butting is not ideal, as tunneling to choosing between us with no other discussion is terrible. I just have more to go on with you (and I'm sure visa versa) because you post frequently. As for aggressive: intentional. I'm terrible at RVS, so I try to get out of it ASAP. As for the abrasive: I'm trying to work on this! I only ever tend to post when I have a point to get across, so my tone comes across with little emotion, which thanks to the Internet reads as jerky. I'll try to tone back, but if I didn't want to be heard I wouldn't post!

I'd like to hear from people besides ChickenFish. Who's scummy and who's townie?

Agreed. We need some more discussion up in here!

I'm feeling townie about Matt and Fearless, and a little scummy about CF, t1mm and MN but I think those last three are simply because they are the most active.

I have no interest in dodging the radar, so I hope I lose the vibe I'm giving off instead of digging my grave!

[Silknor]

Silknor has Groucho. Are you sure you have to talk like that even after the word is revealed?

By the way, here are my bids for scum roles. FoS: Silknor and fearless for not posting theirs right away.
Mafia Kingpin: 53 Energy
Mafia Thug: 52 Energy
Mafia Newbie: 51 energy
Ancient Vampire: 50 Energy

No I am not sure. I didn't bother checking because if Groucho does not require you to do that, then it is a meaningless restriction, I could just always pick extremely common words and not post until Lataro indicates that word has been said 20 times.

I lean towards revealing as little information about roles/powers as possible so that scum cannot eliminate possible suspects as not having a power role. I bid no more than 32 for any role. I do not believe it will be useful to delineate any further which anti-town roles I bid on, because there is only one of each of them. If mostlynormal is being honest, we can't learn anything more about any scum's energy level based on an analysis of where any lower bids fell. I would encourage anyone else yet to reveal their role bids to do likewise, assuming they did not exceed any of Mostly normal's bids.

@ConMan:

I will claim that I'm not Vanilla Town, but I'm also not one of the particularly well-powered townies either.

This is anti-town wine. Plain and simple.

Many a townie has spread such wine, so I'm not taking this statement as evidence for or against any level of scuminess. But don't do this. Wine is bad, truth is good. It's like my aunt always said: if you don't have anything free of wine to say, don't say anything as all (come to think of it, since we never played mafia, that's a really strange thing to say).

Wine is a delicacy savored by scum. Truth may not be quite as classy, but it is any town's sustenance in their quest for accurate lynchings. Townies spreading wine almost always plays into scum's game, no matter how much you think you are twisting their scummy heads into a knot. There is, in 99% of times, but one correct claim, for any townie to make: I am town. Not I am Vanilla Town, or I am a kinda-powerful town, or I am Cthulhu.

[mpolo]

I think the BoomFrog/ChickenFish thing is kind of over the top on both sides. Which is making it really hard to read both of them.

I think that the ranges thing will mean that it is much harder to detect a particular increase of energy. Even a 5 or 7-point gain could pop someone up into the next category. Over time, it may be clearer who is going up how much, but it's not terribly useful for a day or two.

I have some exams to grade, so I'm going to leave this here for now.

[roband]

BoomFrog and ChickenFish disagreeing? Are they voting for each other? Cos that's when we KNOW one of them is a jesterbomb

[Chickenfish]

BoomFrog and ChickenFish disagreeing? Are they voting for each other? Cos that's when we KNOW one of them is a jesterbomb

100% true. If you look at every game ever that BG and I have played in prior to this one, it's been the case!
But seriously, I'm just interested in getting it all out there, so if I look scummy in the process, damn, but not the end of the world. Let's get some content in here people!

[Mostlynormal]

I think that the ranges thing will mean that it is much harder to detect a particular increase of energy. Even a 5 or 7-point gain could pop someone up into the next category. Over time, it may be clearer who is going up how much, but it's not terribly useful for a day or two.

That's true for ITWN, which is why they probably shouldn't claim their results, but we also have 3 scouters that will know the exact energy change of their targets overnight.

Wine is a delicacy savored by scum. Truth may not be quite as classy, but it is any town's sustenance in their quest for accurate lynchings. Townies spreading wine almost always plays into scum's game, no matter how much you think you are twisting their scummy heads into a knot. There is, in 99% of times, but one correct claim, for any townie to make: I am town. Not I am Vanilla Town, or I am a kinda-powerful town, or I am Cthulhu.

I'm not sure I agree with that. A Jester claim gives town zero information because it's obviously winey. A claim of a certain power level, in a game like this, gives scum zero information since it's obviously winey. Wine can be disregarded, but not taken advantage of.

MN, I think the problem is that t1mm came up with something (I agree it's hardly foolproof, but it's something) and you shot it down as though it wasn't valid.

I suppose you have a point. Suggestions are nice, but T1mm seemed to be advocating starting actual lynches soley on the basis of dangerously innaccurate information

I'd like to hear from people besides ChickenFish. Who's scummy and who's townie?

I'm feeling townie about Matt and Fearless, and a little scummy about CF, t1mm and MN but I think those last three are simply because they are the most active.

Good sugggestion. To start off, I'm getting a scummy vibe from you. If you acknowledge that there's some bias against active people in your scumlist, why not adjust for it rather than encouraging people to be inactive? Also, your idea of voting people based on the wording of their bid claims was just really weird.

I'm getting a "who knows" vibe from T1mm right now.

I don't really know how to read Chickenfish, since he's acting a lot like he did when he was a Jester only less scummy and less abrasive. So I'd say he's been acting pretty townie, though it's possible he plays this way as scum too.

No one else has stood out much yet. I second the motion for more people to start posting scumlists

[BoomFrog]

To start off, I'm getting a scummy vibe from you. If you acknowledge that there's some bias against active people in your scumlist, why not adjust for it rather than encouraging people to be inactive?

Because I didn't want to say, "no one feels scummy" that seemed like a copout when I'm asking others the sentence before to make some judgements. I guess I did kinda copout anyway though.

Also, your idea of voting people based on the wording of their bid claims was just really weird.

It seemed more reasonable to me at the time, but now I can think of a lot of reasons that not everyone does things exactly the same way that I do.

Let's get specific. Do you think the following four claims are believable:

I didn't bid on any of the scum roles, even though the statistics thread said that I do better as scum than as town.

On failed bids for scum roles.. I didn't read this thread much before making my choices for bids - and bidding on scum roles didn't seem like a priority to me.

Geez, I got such a useless power. Was my fault really. Too lazy to read through everything -

If we are going with claiming our role bids, the only bid I made was 15 for chocolate townie,

I picked these because they are the most interesting to discuss that I don't think will help scum to discuss them. But scum will have trouble forming an honest opinion on them.

[Chickenfish]

To start off, I'm getting a scummy vibe from you. If you acknowledge that there's some bias against active people in your scumlist, why not adjust for it rather than encouraging people to be inactive?

Because I didn't want to say, "no one feels scummy" that seemed like a copout when I'm asking others the sentence before to make some judgements. I guess I did kinda copout anyway though.

Why not bring up the stuff you have below? That had already happened, and you imply that there is some dodginess (I agree) in these, but you listed matt and fearless as slightly towny, and didn't even mention mpolo.
Really seems like you tried to jump on an argument you thought you could construct against me, then gave up when you realised it had no basis and are just trying to shine the spotlight everywhere else.

Let's get specific. Do you think the following four claims are believable:

I didn't bid on any of the scum roles, even though the statistics thread said that I do better as scum than as town.

On failed bids for scum roles.. I didn't read this thread much before making my choices for bids - and bidding on scum roles didn't seem like a priority to me.

Geez, I got such a useless power. Was my fault really. Too lazy to read through everything -

If we are going with claiming our role bids, the only bid I made was 15 for chocolate townie,

I picked these because they are the most interesting to discuss that I don't think will help scum to discuss them. But scum will have trouble forming an honest opinion on them.

I too am quite suspect about statements like these, but it's hard to draw much from them seeing as it's also in town's interest to downplay their bids. I'm a little concerned about fearless, because while she seems to post like that in a lot of her games, this time it looks like she's trying a bit too hard to plead ignorance. Once again, hard to discern motivations, but FoS: fearless. You unsettle me.
BoomFrog - I give you more FoS's than I have fingers. As I outlined above your approach looks like you're attempting to latch onto things rather than analyse things openly. Furthermore, you say 'let's get specific', supply a bunch of quotes, over explain why doing so is 'so bad for scum' (your logic is the general principle of the game, and I fail to see how it applies especially to this specific case), then don't give any actual opinions yourself. Me no likey.

[Chickenfish]

Ugh, need to stop phone posting... sorry for the formatting, hope it's easy enough to interpret...

[BoomFrog]

Furthermore, you say 'let's get specific', supply a bunch of quotes, over explain why doing so is 'so bad for scum' (your logic is the general principle of the game, and I fail to see how it applies especially to this specific case), then don't give any actual opinions yourself. Me no likey.

I thought we agreed that we would like to get more content from others besides the two of us? I posted specific examples because I think I have a good read on some of those comments and I'd like to see what others say. Roband, Silknor, and mpolo were very sparse with their scumhunting, which for Silknor is annoyingly normal, and mpolo is busy so I expect more later. However, now that I mention it Roband's been full of almost only joke posts until now.

Even if the whole power system is confusing you can at least give an opinion on players actions so far.

[Chickenfish]

I thought we agreed that we would like to get more content from others besides the two of us?

i would, but it doesnt mean i think either of us should stop contributing. Second time you've implicitly advocated less talk...

Roband, Silknor, and mpolo were very sparse with their scumhunting, which for Silknor is annoyingly normal, and mpolo is busy so I expect more later. However, now that I mention it Roband's been full of almost only joke posts until now.

Even if the whole power system is confusing you can at least give an opinion on players actions so far.

This I completely agree with. Where is everyone?!!?

[BoomFrog]

Yes, I actually am advocating that you and I talk less.

[Chickenfish]

Fair enough.
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[ConMan]

Well, apologies for being quiet, both previously and in the near future - I'm going to be away all weekend, with very little chance of logging in to the forums. I *will* be back well before deadline.

The reason I claimed not-very-powered-town was probably not a great one - it was meant to be a claim without being too specific. And, of course, it doesn't reveal what I may have received in the way of abilities, which I assume to be the main game-decider now that we've finished bidding.

And ... I really can't think of a huge amount to add just yet. I am really sorry but like at least some others I'm still trying to work out just what the best play is given what I've got, and what I can assume about what everyone else has. Comment on other players' actions? Well, you two (BF & CF) have had an enjoyable back-and-forth for a while now, which is providing lots of content, which of course is a very townie thing to do. Of course, as the only two people actively posting, it's also a good thing to point at and go "look, we're both town" if any suspicion starts to drop on either of you, so there's at least a chance you're "laying the ground work". As for the four posts BF pulled up, I agree that they've got some interesting content to dissect and so while they seemed to mostly be aimed at Mostlynormal, I'll make a couple of comments on the first two at least.

I didn't bid on any of the scum roles, even though the statistics thread said that I do better as scum than as town.

On failed bids for scum roles.. I didn't read this thread much before making my choices for bids - and bidding on scum roles didn't seem like a priority to me.

To not bid on a scum role means you either really want to play as town, or don't think you'd do well as scum. But, as mentioned elsewhere, even a modest bid on a scum role can be a pre-emptively townie move, since it places a lower limit on what scum actually bid/pay to get their role, thus hamstringing them at the ability auction phase and later. So, to claim as such means that you were either seriously gunning for a power town role or abilities, aiming to have lots of energy during the play phase to work with, or you are hiding something to do with your actual bids. I don't know that either of these statements in themselves reveals a huge amount, but they could well be evidence to work with later on (and they also mean that there's a problem in that if either mpolo or roband is town, there's a good chance they're power town, and thus need to be protected).

[BoomFrog]

Wow, you really avoided saying anything substantial there.

And why would not bidding on scum roles mean you want to place a higher bid on power-town roles? One could easily bid high on both or not bid on both. As long as the one you prefer is a higher bid your fine.

[t1mm01994]

So, just going to chime in with a short, high density post:
If someone sees MN's energy increase, we might very well want to lynch him.
If ConMan doesn't start posting actual contents soon, we might very well want to lynch him.
I'm just going to completely disregard any claim, as everyone wants to claim the same thing at this point:
"Hey guys I'm totally not scum so don't lynch me but I'm no power role either so don't NK me ktnxbi"

Energy increases obviously aren't foolproof, but hey, if we someone go up a bracket 2 days in a row, that's enough argument for me to kill them..

About fearless: Point me at one of the games she's played so far where she's not doing this. If she's looking scummier soon, I'll give her some heat, for now I'll leave her alone.

And yeah, this time BF is probably the one we need to avoid and all that. All night forces to kill him! He's a jester!

[roband]

There's no reason to actively go for lynching a neutral independent.

Yes, yes there is... If it comes down to two scum, 3 town and 1 survivor, the survivor will side with scum.


BF makes a point about claiming and whatnot - I can see the sense in that, I suppose.

I'm glad fearless asked the following because it confused me too..

Quick question: What does "A C: before a power means it counts for the cop to bid for it" mean? Does it mean the mafia can't bid for that role? Or does it mean if a town bids and wins it that person gets extra energy? Suppose I should have asked this during the bid phase... but I really only saw it now

First, It means it's a power that the police chief gets their bonus on, and is allowed to bid for.

Tim is striking me as scummy. I can't put my finger on it, but I've played on a scum-team with Tim in a game and there seems to be a similarity.

Furthermore, you say 'let's get specific', supply a bunch of quotes, over explain why doing so is 'so bad for scum' (your logic is the general principle of the game, and I fail to see how it applies especially to this specific case), then don't give any actual opinions yourself. Me no likey.

I thought we agreed that we would like to get more content from others besides the two of us? I posted specific examples because I think I have a good read on some of those comments and I'd like to see what others say. Roband, Silknor, and mpolo were very sparse with their scumhunting, which for Silknor is annoyingly normal, and mpolo is busy so I expect more later. However, now that I mention it Roband's been full of almost only joke posts until now.

Even if the whole power system is confusing you can at least give an opinion on players actions so far.

BF, surely you also know that I'm fairly simple? Games like this confuse the bejesus out of me. Hopefully this post will make up for what has been lacking previously.

ConMan, all my bids were rushed - I kept not reading the thread and the mod had to prompt me at one point. Not much thought went into them - more of a "shit need to make a decision" situation.

Energy increases obviously aren't foolproof, but hey, if we someone go up a bracket 2 days in a row, that's enough argument for me to kill them..

I think I recall other powers resulting in power increases.. Are there not?

Overall, Tim strikes me a scummy but I don't know why.
MN made a big slip with the post about a survivor - right now that's probably closest to enough for a vote, in my eyes.
BF's looking alright.

Everyone else (yes me included) hasn't really posted enough to form an opinion on.

[roband]

EBWOP: Oh chickenfish...

Erm, nothing stands out. Lots of chatter, once you disagree with someone on something it's easy to just go back and forth - I've done this myself enough times.
No feeling either way, right now.

[BoomFrog]

So I did some rereading of Roband's posts and this stuck out at me.

Sorry, the double bidding thing confused me. I thought all along I would bid for one thing (that's what happens when you don't read the thread - evidently) and that's what my role (including a power would be).

So, I didn't bid for any scum powers. Which now I have read the thread, maybe I should have done.

1) If someone had the attitude that the role bid was the only bidding phase they probably wayover bid and so surely got thier top choice of role.
2) There is only one role that includes a standalone power and contains no mention of the next round of bids.

This really sounds to me like he read Ancient Vampire, said I want that and threw down a huge bid and walked away. If he read any of the other roles he would have realized that there was a second round of bidding since almost all of their powers are "+X% on so and so powers." Also he never answered the, "what were your scum role bids" question.

I seriously think I've caught the vampire. Even If he's not the vampire he is most likely to have put his highest bid on one of the more interesting roles, of which almost all are scum. I'm pretty satisfied with this vote.

Vote Roband

Ninja'd but all that only reenforces my theory.

[roband]

Dude, you're wrong.

Wanna know what my PM to the mod said, for bidding on roles?

It was 15 Mar 2012 at 10:39 (GMT)

"If the relevant time has not passed, one would like to attempt a payment of 35 for each role listed, in the order they are listed.
If such a time has passed, then I shall lament and be sad with myself. "

I'm not allowed to quote PMs, but that should give you the gist. I genuinely didn't know what the fuck was going on in this game...

[t1mm01994]

I find it special how I appear to have a scum meta.. And how this seems to be it.
It does seem that BoomFrog is on the hunt though. So far he has effectively FoSed/voted 5 persons, out of 10 other that him in this game...
roband: At power increases, read the discussion between me and MN about it. I think roughly all that needs to be said is said there..

[roband]

It's not meta dude, it's a gut feeling.

[t1mm01994]

Oh. Fair enough then. Gut-feel for all you like did you read up on the energy increases?

[roband]

Not yet man. It's Friday, I've been on call all week and I'm at work.

Bleugh.

[t1mm01994]

And that was your 1K Post, gratz

But yeah, more discussion when there's new stuff to discuss.

[roband]

Posts here don't count towards totals

I read what you said. You're arguing over the way one of you worded it, and your point of view is more aggressive than MNs.
I mean, you didn't really disagree.
You could be scum trying to distance from each other.

I mean, my suspicion of MN plus my gut feeling about you, added in the back and forth between you... Adds up.

[t1mm01994]

Herp. Well, at least gratz on 1K posts

But yeah, it seems like you're trying to add up 3 + apple + 5 over here.
You think MN is a survivor, because of his slip-up.
You think I'm scum, because of gut feeling.
You think I'm distancing from MN. The second and third one add up, but the first one is way out-field..

Ah well. Quick reread on BF and CF: BF is actually playing a quite usual pot-stirring person.. Depending on persistance I can bend that either way.
CF is playing.. However CF plays. New players are always hard to read, so I'll give it an IGMEOY and call it a day.

[Silknor]

I'm not sure I agree with that. A Jester claim gives town zero information because it's obviously winey. A claim of a certain power level, in a game like this, gives scum zero information since it's obviously winey. Wine can be disregarded, but not taken advantage of.

Distractions by wine are damage to townies by wine. Wine interferes with reasoning and judgement. Scum has clear incentive to spread wine when they can get away with it. Town can hope for no better than in 99% of cases, no one gets hurt.

@Boomfrog:
Apologies, my scum hunting in our first (real, eg. before any death by lynching) day tends to be quite passive. I prefer not to make unfounded accusations.

@Roband:

Yes, yes there is... If it comes down to two scum, 3 town and 1 survivor, survivor will side with scum.

This is inaccurate. There are two cases:

Known survivor:
A confirmed/fairly trusted claimed survivor has no reason to take action. On average town approximates LYLO here. Regardless of it they vote for town, scum, or do not vote, everyone else will ignore them.

Unknown survivor:
There is no particular reason to act as a scum instead of as a townie. If they act scummy in their votes, they may get lynched/attacked by a vig. If they act townie, scum may inadvertently take them out. There is no reason why they will systematically favor one side over another.

That said, there is no reason for a townie to attempt to convince others to hunt down a survivor. ID yes, but not look to lynch. Suspicious.