sardia wrote:You need to chill out, because your ranting is worse than whatever you perceive in the previous guy's post.
Btw, you really think CNN is a partisan hack? To who? You mean MSNBC right? Because you really put your objectiveness at risk if you think CNN has a democratic bias. Your best argument against Obama is his aggressiveness on the war on terrorism, and you kinda implied that this is so bad we should...vote for Romney? Unless you're a Johnson or Stein supporter, you should let us know, because this entire post is predicated that you support conservatism, aka Romney's party.
What are you talking about....? How do I lose objectiveness by saying CNN is no better than fox? When did I imply we should vote for Romney and what on earth makes you call the conservative party "Romney's party?" How would you know what my best argument against Obama is?
From a purely objective point, we care about 8% unemployment because it can affect the elections.
You don't know what objective means.
Lastly, did you really claim that unemployment numbers are being changed to support one candidate?
Thesh wrote:The Republicans fiscal policies are based entirely on the fear of what they call socialism, but they don't seem to know what that is. Welfare? Not socialism. Public health care? Not socialism. "Income redistribution"? Not socialism. Taxes? Not socialism. Government owning the means of production? Yes, that's socialism. Even then, ask a Republican why socialism is bad, and you are most likely going to hear Hitler, Stalin, or some other non-answer that comes from a complete lack of understanding.
Slow down man, the republican's fiscal policy is not entirely based on fear of socialism. That is a straw man if I've ever seen one. If you reduce a topic that huge to one point, you make it far to easy for yourself to dismiss tons of good information without a second glance. Just because the word 'socialism' is used does not mean that the evil republicans have nothing else on their minds. I would suspect they think "this policy is wrong AND it invokes socialism" and not "this policy is wrong BECAUSE it invokes socialism.
The worst part is, single payer health care is probably the best thing we can do for unemployment, but the Republicans won't hear it because they fear a word.
This answer comes from a complete lack of understanding of any side of the argument but your own. Whether or not the 'single payer' system will help unemployment really doesn't matter to me. I do not think that the federal government should have the power to mandate that I purchase anything and on that note I disagree with the law. That is the main objection to the law: it sets the precedent that the government can spend your money for you as part of their plan for the greater good. Oh and it's not a word that people are afraid of. They just use the word (which word do you even mean?) to refer to what they are afraid of because it's easier than saying "you know, that thing we were talking about before which was bad and scary."
Then think about the environment. Republicans refuse to even consider that global warming might be real, and they have this ideological attachment to coal, which we should be phasing out, not promoting. It's like just because the left is against it, they have to be for it.
You don't get it man. Stop thinking just along party lines. People don't have 'right wing' policies simply to back up their arguments against Obama. They feel a certain way (in this case they feel like conservatives i guess) and because of that they do not support Obama. My choice of candidate is a function of what I think is right, not the other way around. I happen to think that indefinite detention and torture of terror suspects without a trial is wrong. It was wrong when Bush did it and it is wrong today. Obama is wrong for doing this and that has nothing to do with anyone but Obama.
So yes, Republicans are uninformed and batshit crazy, and if you really think that CNN is as biased as Fox News, then you are extremely ignorant. I don't like the Democrats, but they are slightly to the right of Reagan these days. The Republicans are just way out there, adopting Libertarian policies, which would work great in an ideal world, but we do not live in one. Of course, they only consider the fiscal policies of libertarianism, rejecting pretty much every personal freedom except when it comes to gun control.
Really, if i disagree then it is because I am ignorant? I am having a hard time figuring out what it is you people keep responding to because it certainly isn't me or my ideas.... When have you ever met a person with libertarian fiscal ideas, who supports the second amendment, but rejects other personal rights?
Malice wrote:Impeach: "How dare you imply that voters are manipulated by the media! For example, [Fox News talking points]!!"
Are you serious? Are you delusional or something? Remove the quotes from your bullshit concoction because I never said that. In fact, all I said was that it is the media in general and not just fox news that manipulates people. get your panties out of a bunch and actually read what I write. For example, I never once said that Fox News isn't biased because I'm not to stupid to see that it obviously is.
An absolute failure of the most basic ideas that this country was founded on? Have you read the Constitution lately? "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Tell me how Obama's policies would violate our founding ideas. Please.
Bush fucked with the right to trial much worse than Obama, who at least got a significant number of Gitmo detainees into court. Obama droned that one guy, true, and he's not great on civil liberties in this area. But very few people on the right are criticizing him for that, particularly because the Republican party barely seems to care. It's certainly not part of Romney's platform (and since he's all things to all people, that's saying something).
"But since Obama removed that right, it's all good?" Most liberals have issues with Obama; he's not a perfect President or a perfect candidate. But he's the only sane choice. Ask most liberals and they'll tell you they wish there was a real opposition party that wasn't based in fiction and lies so we could have a real conversation about these issues.
Yes the indefinite detention of American citizens without the right to a trial, the actuall murder of american citizens via drone strike, the seeking of UN approval over congressional approval for war and other various acts of treason are a pretty clear failure or our constitution. Have YOU read the constitution lately? If so, you wouldn't need me to point out how Obama has violated it. If you are really asking me, not just rhetorically, I can certainly show you which part(s) of the constitution he has violated.
As for Bush, who the hell cares? Why does it matter what Bush did? We are talking about Obama and whether or not his policies are constitutional or not. Who cares who 'on the right' is criticizing him? What does any of that have to do with whether or not you are personally OK with a presidential kill list? It IS the kill list and other policies you care about, not the candidate, right? I mean, if Romney ran on a "rape you twice a week" campaign where as Obama had a more palatable "Rape you once a week" campaign, you still wouldn't vote for him, would you?
Can you explain how the <8% numbers are bullshit?
Yes: more than 8% of the people in this country do not have a job.
Employment reports are taken so that voters and the government should be informed. The AIDS virus that is the current Republican ideology has unfortunately spread to attack even nonpartisan government records-keeping systems.
Dude.... Those people are the real thing. Those are REAL people. Their concerns and hopes and dreams matter just as much to them as yours do to you. You CANNOT compare an entire school of thought to the AIDS virus just because you don't have any empathy with those people. Their motivations are just as human as yours and their wishes can't just be dismissed as not important because you disagree with them. How egocentric can you get? You've heard that dehumanization is the first step of genocide but have you ever realized that it is actually true?