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Or you get rid of the capital gains and count it as pure income, with perhaps only a reduction for inflation, to discourage people from investing in it. Actually, get rid of capital gains on everything, should be pure income. Why should I pay 40% after paying a bunch of stealth taxes for working harder, but only pay 15/25% on gains from not working at all?
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sardia wrote:You just need to keep increasing supply until people realize that houses aren't suppose to be investments.
In my country, one of the most efficient ways for the middle class to pay less taxes (in a legal manner and without leaving country) consists in buying new secondary homes and having someone else (who is not part of their family) rent it. They get tax reduction for several years.
This is a way for government to encourage building (and make it easier to rent a home if you can't buy), but then buyers hope that their investment won't lose value over time.
(Also I think there are much more many renters and landlords here than in the US, and that the average age for buying your home is higher, and maybe we pay more taxes and that wouldn't work in the US for whatever reason).
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Grop wrote:sardia wrote:You just need to keep increasing supply until people realize that houses aren't suppose to be investments.
In my country, one of the most efficient ways for the middle class to pay less taxes (in a legal manner and without leaving country) consists in buying new secondary homes and having someone else (who is not part of their family) rent it. They get tax reduction for several years
What a concept. Meanwhile, Republicans are making sure that most people in the United States are no longer be able to deduct the tax on their primary homes, much less any secondary home.
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I'm actually in favor of eliminating the deduction. If it doesn't cause new homes to be built, it just raises the price of existing ones by exactly the amount of money the taxpayer deducts, making it a subsidy of the banks and the realtors. If it does cause more homes to be built, it better not be on top of farmland and it better not be more suburbs.
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CorruptUser wrote:I'm actually in favor of eliminating the deduction. If it doesn't cause new homes to be built, it just raises the price of existing ones by exactly the amount of money the taxpayer deducts, making it a subsidy of the banks and the realtors. If it does cause more homes to be built, it better not be on top of farmland and it better not be more suburbs.
In the meantime, I and everyone else who's bought a house in recent years get majorly screwed.
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Me to, my house is paid for. However millions of mortgage holders vote. I suppose that historically speaking houses have always been built on farmland. Except maybe Las Vegas. Or beach houses.CorruptUser wrote:I'm actually in favor of eliminating the deduction. If it doesn't cause new homes to be built, it just raises the price of existing ones by exactly the amount of money the taxpayer deducts, making it a subsidy of the banks and the realtors. If it does cause more homes to be built, it better not be on top of farmland and it better not be more suburbs.
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Zohar wrote:CorruptUser wrote:I'm actually in favor of eliminating the deduction. If it doesn't cause new homes to be built, it just raises the price of existing ones by exactly the amount of money the taxpayer deducts, making it a subsidy of the banks and the realtors. If it does cause more homes to be built, it better not be on top of farmland and it better not be more suburbs.
In the meantime, I and everyone else who's bought a house in recent years get majorly screwed.
I still support grandfathering it in for those that already bought.
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Women claim deputy was allowed to carry on with groping long after first complaint
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Most of the alleged unwanted attention and groping occurred when the victims were in a vulnerable state, just after a medical emergency or burglary or other call for help.
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San Diego attorney Dan Gilleon represents the nine women who filed claims and lawsuits resulting from their contacts with Fischer. He says he sees at least one constant.
“I’ve been dealing with these law enforcement agencies and officers for quite a while,” Gilleon said by telephone. “The one theme that comes back time and time again is that sex in the workplace is a lot more common than in most organizations.
“There’s some sort of adrenaline rush, a lot of power and it’s a very male-dominated industry,” he said.
Each claim against the county seeks in excess of $6 million in damages. They also request punitive damages against [San Diego County Sheriff Deputy Richard] Fischer himself “in an amount sufficient to punish him and his evil conduct, and to deter others from doing what he did.”
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I think I have more rage at the chief than the stalker, if it's been that severe.
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Wouldn't having property taxes result in a huge disincentive to investing in real estate?
Wait I've got it! Double property tax on property you don't live in. Not like they don't do that already in NYC, where townhouses are taxed at 1% and apartments at 5%.
Wait I've got it! Double property tax on property you don't live in. Not like they don't do that already in NYC, where townhouses are taxed at 1% and apartments at 5%.
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Or just tax income from rent (and use that money to give renters a tax credit), making it more profitable to sell real estate off than to rent it out. (At prices that people buying it to live in can pay, since nobody else is going to want to buy it to rent it out either, since that wouldn't be profitable to them).
Also, keep letting people deduct their mortgage interest, but offset that with a corresponding tax on the banks collecting the interest, so it's not just welfare for banks.
Also, keep letting people deduct their mortgage interest, but offset that with a corresponding tax on the banks collecting the interest, so it's not just welfare for banks.
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Won't that second piece just result in higher interest rates?
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Zohar wrote:CorruptUser wrote:I'm actually in favor of eliminating the deduction. If it doesn't cause new homes to be built, it just raises the price of existing ones by exactly the amount of money the taxpayer deducts, making it a subsidy of the banks and the realtors. If it does cause more homes to be built, it better not be on top of farmland and it better not be more suburbs.
In the meantime, I and everyone else who's bought a house in recent years get majorly screwed.
That's what makes it so hard to fix(much like ending many other programs). Folks count on them, and it's hard to come up with any plan that doesn't screw *some* people over. Grandfathering is probably fairest, but even then, you'll have market changes as suddenly housing values drop due to lack of buyers. It's better than no grandfathering, but it's still imperfect.
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Officers, looking for a 40 year old white woman, encounter an 11 year old black girl who they decide needs to be stopped at gunpoint and handcuffed.
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I know this was a few pages back that we were discussing the 'cities bussing undesirables away', but here is a new report regarding exactly that:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... are_btn_fb
The town I work in (Bangor, ME) has an enormous population of homeless given its size, mainly due to bussing in from NYC, Boston, and other points south, which really sucks for them, considering how hard our winters can be and how little we have available for aid.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... are_btn_fb
The town I work in (Bangor, ME) has an enormous population of homeless given its size, mainly due to bussing in from NYC, Boston, and other points south, which really sucks for them, considering how hard our winters can be and how little we have available for aid.
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I mean, on the one hand, giving them some mobility is kind of nice, as that's something the homeless may lack....
But it's certainly a poor substitute for fixing the problem. And it *seems* to be used as a substitute for that. Giving a ticket together with a ban from shelter seems...well, if it's not dumping your problems elsewhere, I don't know what it is.
I also find it interesting that folks are largely sent somewhere poorer. The wealthier cities are essentially dumping their castoffs on already impoverished areas. I mean, if you're looking for class warfare, this is kind of it.
But it's certainly a poor substitute for fixing the problem. And it *seems* to be used as a substitute for that. Giving a ticket together with a ban from shelter seems...well, if it's not dumping your problems elsewhere, I don't know what it is.
I also find it interesting that folks are largely sent somewhere poorer. The wealthier cities are essentially dumping their castoffs on already impoverished areas. I mean, if you're looking for class warfare, this is kind of it.
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An update on San Diego County Sheriff Deputy Richard Fischer, who still hasn't been arrested despite numerous accusations of his having groped and intimidated women he'd arrested, and also women who had been victims of crimes:
As sexual misconduct case deepens, accusers worry deputy is being protected
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but the inaction is so baffling that it makes me wonder what kind of dirt he's got on the Sheriff and District Attorney, that keeps them from going after this guy.
As sexual misconduct case deepens, accusers worry deputy is being protected
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but the inaction is so baffling that it makes me wonder what kind of dirt he's got on the Sheriff and District Attorney, that keeps them from going after this guy.
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Maybe it's one of those cases like where if a forensic scientist gets caught fudging data and then 500 cases get brought back for review, so to avoid that the police pretend nothing is wrong.
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This kind of thing is Too common!ObsessoMom wrote:An update on San Diego County Sheriff Deputy Richard Fischer, who still hasn't been arrested despite numerous accusations of his having groped and intimidated women he'd arrested, and also women who had been victims of crimes:
As sexual misconduct case deepens, accusers worry deputy is being protected
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but the inaction is so baffling that it makes me wonder what kind of dirt he's got on the Sheriff and District Attorney, that keeps them from going after this guy.
I had women tell me, they have grown to accept it.
THIS is where the Sexual and many other kinds of misconduct happen.
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police kill a six year old child when they start a shootout in a trailer park (in otder to shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect, who they also killed) and shoot through the wall of his mobile home.
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natraj wrote:police kill a six year old child when they start a shootout in a trailer park (in otder to shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect, who they also killed) and shoot through the wall of his mobile home.
From the story...
Somehow, the woman was able to flee the residence into some nearby woods where the deputy lost her and called for backup, Salazar said.
Well, of course she was able to flee. Just doing a Monday in a rest is no fun
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natraj wrote:police kill a six year old child when they start a shootout in a trailer park (in otder to shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect, who they also killed) and shoot through the wall of his mobile home.
From the story...
Somehow, the woman was able to flee the residence into some nearby woods where the deputy lost her and called for backup, Salazar said.
Well, of course she was able to flee. Just doing a mundane arrest is no fun. We must have a car chase that spans three counties, so we can all get on Cops.
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Coyne wrote:Just doing a Monday in a rest is no fun
Yeah... wait, what?
Coyne wrote:Just doing a mundane arrest is no fun.
Oh I see what happened.
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Ducking autocorrect.
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Looks more like a speech recognition error to me?
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It seems that autocorrect, voice recognition, and text readers are all out to "normalize" those of us who know how to write. (At least, I think I know how to more or less write.) A sad normal it is, too.
So of course the speech recognizer fouled up, because no one would ever want to use the word "mundane". And I have no idea how I managed to double post. But it was clearly tied in somehow.
So of course the speech recognizer fouled up, because no one would ever want to use the word "mundane". And I have no idea how I managed to double post. But it was clearly tied in somehow.
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My phone will try to change the tense of words for no reason. It's rather frustrating. By "phone", I mean "bent cop".
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natraj wrote:police kill a six year old child when they start a shootout in a trailer park (in otder to shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect, who they also killed) and shoot through the wall of his mobile home.
Did you read the article or watch the video?
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yes, i have read both the article that i posted as well as a whole lot of other articles about this
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jewish_scientist wrote:natraj wrote:police kill a six year old child when they start a shootout in a trailer park (in otder to shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect, who they also killed) and shoot through the wall of his mobile home.
Did you read the article or watch the video?
Did you think part of the article contradicted that take?
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Police shoot innocent man in cold blood, and are successfully blaming it on "Gamer"
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192111974.html
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So, legal question regarding the above.
If A files the false police report, how responsible is A for the damage that follows? Obviously A is guilty of lying to the police, probably some other stuff, but I'm wondering if calling the police on an innocent man which results in a death is a "foreseeable consequence" and thus can be held liable in either civil or criminal court.
If B provides A a false address, is B in any way responsible for damage that happens at that address?
If A files the false police report, how responsible is A for the damage that follows? Obviously A is guilty of lying to the police, probably some other stuff, but I'm wondering if calling the police on an innocent man which results in a death is a "foreseeable consequence" and thus can be held liable in either civil or criminal court.
If B provides A a false address, is B in any way responsible for damage that happens at that address?
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CorruptUser wrote:So, legal question regarding the above.
If A files the false police report, how responsible is A for the damage that follows? Obviously A is guilty of lying to the police, probably some other stuff, but I'm wondering if calling the police on an innocent man which results in a death is a "foreseeable consequence" and thus can be held liable in either civil or criminal court.
If B provides A a false address, is B in any way responsible for damage that happens at that address?
You can't charge A with murder because (at least I hope it works this way) you're not supposed to assume police are murderbots. A gets charged with false police report, and the cop gets charged with one of the murder charges. I'm guessing the cop wanted to save everybody the trouble of due process, and gave out the death penalty right then.
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i don't know, if they manage to come up with a significantly hefty charge for A (i don't know what they could charge them with that would be felony-level but i wouldn't be surprised if there's something that'd qualify if they tried hard enough) then you could definitely also charge A with felony murder. people have been successfully convicted in the past several times for killings that the cops unequivocally did, because the cops killed someone while a crime was happening.
imo it's a stretch and obviously the police should be charged with murder, but there are probably ways they could weasel out of it (aside from, you know, the regular way of "just don't bother to even charge them at all because Reasons")
imo it's a stretch and obviously the police should be charged with murder, but there are probably ways they could weasel out of it (aside from, you know, the regular way of "just don't bother to even charge them at all because Reasons")
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I wouldn't be surprised if swatting is the same crime as a hoax bomb threat, so I think the felony charges are already there.
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sardia wrote:CorruptUser wrote:So, legal question regarding the above.
If A files the false police report, how responsible is A for the damage that follows? Obviously A is guilty of lying to the police, probably some other stuff, but I'm wondering if calling the police on an innocent man which results in a death is a "foreseeable consequence" and thus can be held liable in either civil or criminal court.
If B provides A a false address, is B in any way responsible for damage that happens at that address?
You can't charge A with murder because (at least I hope it works this way) you're not supposed to assume police are murderbots. A gets charged with false police report, and the cop gets charged with one of the murder charges. I'm guessing the cop wanted to save everybody the trouble of due process, and gave out the death penalty right then.
I remember the New York case where an unarmed man was charged for wounding bystanders the police shot.
I'd guess murder or manslaughter charges for the person who called the hoax, and forced resignation for the officer.
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