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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby Quercus » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:09 am UTC

elasto wrote:
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but attention seeking is basically essential to the medium. Good art that noone gets to see is of little value at the end of the day
I disagree with this quite strongly. Unpublished and unpublicised art can nevertheless have a profound impact on the artist themselves.

I think you are taking what I said the wrong way. All I meant was that the more that good art is seen the more overall good it does. I guess for sake of clarity I should have written "attention seeking is basically essential to the medium. Good art that noone gets to see is of little value to society..."

Obviously each individual will take away what he takes away no matter whether he's one of ten to see it or one of a billion, but surely you agree that, all things being equal, a good artist whose work is seen widely is of exponentially more public good than one whose work is never seen.


Yeah, that's reasonable - I did indeed misinterpret your statement as something along the lines of "if your art isn't displayed or sold then what's the point of it"

This is like saying that therapy is of little value because no-one other than the therapist and the client gets to hear about it.

Well, to play devil's advocate, therapy that helps a person become better with his family and wider society is more beneficial than therapy that only benefits the client.

That's not to say that therapy that only improves the quality of life of a single client has no value, just that therapy that indirectly spills out to improve the quality of life of a wide circle has so much more.


This may be an unusual case but my art (principally photography) has at times been the sort of therapy that helps me become better with my family and wider society. In my case by helping me understand and process emotions in a much healthier way.

I'd contend that at lot of this discussion about the nature and purpose of art misses what is, to me, a vital component - the value of art to the artist as an expressive and explorative process, rather than the value to the consumer of art as a finished product.

The need to explore questions, externalise emotions or wrestle with problems are just as much drivers for the creation of art as the desire to say something to the world, influence people, gain recognition or make money.

As an artist myself, how could I disagree? But I still maintain if I create art that I and others enjoy it is of more value than when I create it for my enjoyment alone. But, yes, of course, I'd still create even if I were the last human being alive...


Yeah, I agree with this.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby sardia » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:22 pm UTC

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/12/scie ... s-win.html
Cats are useless as a solution to reducing the rat population, only removing the food supply.

Apparently the big bulky rats intimidate cats. When a group of feral cats moved into an area where researchers were studying cats, most of the rats just hid, but only 2 rats were killed in the entire time. The cats mostly ignored the rats.

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Postby Sableagle » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:52 pm UTC

sardia wrote:The cats mostly ignored the rats.
This I had observed first-hand. The people at Gardeners' World were not receptive to my suggested alternative approach despite it having far less of an adverse effect on songbirds' breeding success than filling the garden with cats. Maybe if I was using potassium nitrate pellets, they'd like the idea more ...
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Postby WriteBrainedJR » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:22 am UTC

My old cat was not intimidated by any rats. He loved him some rat-murder!

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Postby Coyne » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:05 am UTC

One of our farm cats dragged in a full-grown cottontail rabbit. I seriously doubt she would have been intimidated by a large rat.
In all fairness...

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Postby CorruptUser » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:19 am UTC

I'm going to be back and forth in Maine. Do you New Yorkers need some Maine Coons? I think a Maine Coon would take down anything smaller than a corgi.

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Postby addams » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:36 am UTC

sardia wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/12/science/cats-v-rats-in-new-york-the-rats-win.html
Cats are useless as a solution to reducing the rat population, only removing the food supply.

Apparently the big bulky rats intimidate cats. When a group of feral cats moved into an area where researchers were studying cats, most of the rats just hid, but only 2 rats were killed in the entire time. The cats mostly ignored the rats.
I have experience with cats killing Birds, Lizards. Snakes...Just about anything that moves.
Then the cats ignored or watched the Rats.

Rats are mean and they fight back.
Cats are lazy, they like easy food.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby Soupspoon » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:53 am UTC

I recall a TV programme about cats. Various housecats were exposed to toy mice-sized balls of fluff, most played with them (i.e. pounced and such, whether as a known game or instinct). But a bigger ball was attacked in such ways only by one cat, who had been born to a farm cat. The others were unsure about this rat-sized thing, but obviously our outlier's momma had exposed the kitten-as-was to the experience of larger rodents and demonstrated how to deal with it. It pounced on it with all four clawed paws, not just the two forward ones grappling it.

Raw felinity is one thing, but learning and experience seems to be important too.

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Postby WriteBrainedJR » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:16 am UTC

Soupspoon wrote:I recall a TV programme about cats. Various housecats were exposed to toy mice-sized balls of fluff, most played with them (i.e. pounced and such, whether as a known game or instinct). But a bigger ball was attacked in such ways only by one cat, who had been born to a farm cat. The others were unsure about this rat-sized thing, but obviously our outlier's momma had exposed the kitten-as-was to the experience of larger rodents and demonstrated how to deal with it. It pounced on it with all four clawed paws, not just the two forward ones grappling it.

Raw felinity is one thing, but learning and experience seems to be important too.

So someone taught my little dude how to kill rats?

Awesome!

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Postby Sableagle » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:26 pm UTC

Capybara: rodents, bug bigger and not as mean:

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Postby eran_rathan » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:10 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:I'm going to be back and forth in Maine. Do you New Yorkers need some Maine Coons? I think a Maine Coon would take down anything smaller than a corgi.


My old Maine Coon once killed and dragged in a woodchuck.

One of my current cats has recently 1. terrorized a fox who was after our chickens; 2. frightened away a raccoon and 3. considers murdering rats a pleasant afternoon. And he's pretty small for a Maine Coon at 20 lb (9kg).
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Postby Deva » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:16 pm UTC

Accidentally sent an e-mail with the subject "meeting" from the United States embassy in Australia. Contained this image:
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Followed it with an apology.
British Broadcasting Corporation wrote:"Sorry to disappoint those of you who were hoping to attend this 'cat pyjama-jam' party, but such an event falls well outside our area of expertise," US mission to Australia spokesman Gavin Sundwall told the Australian Associated Press.

"It was a training error made by one of our new staff testing out our email newsletter platform."


Ought to hire someone for this event.
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Postby Thesh » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:19 pm UTC

https://taskandpurpose.com/f16-destroyed-belgium/

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Postby Dauric » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:23 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:https://taskandpurpose.com/f16-destroyed-belgium/

Technician accidentally fires the cannon on an F16 during maintenance, destroying another F16.


And that ladies and gentlemen is why you make sure the gun is unloaded before you go cleaning it.
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Postby Zohar » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:20 pm UTC

Deva wrote:Accidentally sent an e-mail with the subject "meeting" from the United States embassy in Australia. Contained this image:
Cat Pyjama Jam.jpg
Followed it with an apology.
British Broadcasting Corporation wrote:"Sorry to disappoint those of you who were hoping to attend this 'cat pyjama-jam' party, but such an event falls well outside our area of expertise," US mission to Australia spokesman Gavin Sundwall told the Australian Associated Press.

"It was a training error made by one of our new staff testing out our email newsletter platform."


Ought to hire someone for this event.

Definitely should make that into a real event now.
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Postby Grop » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:03 pm UTC

I can see myself using such a picture while inviting people to an actual meeting :D.

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Postby MakingProgress » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:02 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:https://taskandpurpose.com/f16-destroyed-belgium/

Technician accidentally fires the cannon on an F16 during maintenance, destroying another F16.


They are due for replacement anyway, but preferably not this way. :lol:
(Belgium government is considering buying the F35 for years already.)

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Postby Soupspoon » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:58 am UTC

Which isn't a possible troublesome choice at all…

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Postby cphite » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:18 pm UTC

Coyne wrote:One of our farm cats dragged in a full-grown cottontail rabbit. I seriously doubt she would have been intimidated by a large rat.


My parents had an outdoor cat for almost a decade... it had gotten hit by a car in front of their house. Lost most of it's tail and a bunch of other injuries, but it pulled through. Never got very big - about halfway between kitten and grown cat in terms of size, not sure if that was due to the accident or just genetic.

She was a killer. Birds, mice, squirrels were the usual... but she brought back rabbits, groundhogs, and one time a fox. Oh, and snakes... really an alarming number of snakes. Our neighbors had a fairly big black lab that tried to mess with her exactly once - and ran away hurting.

She didn't like being picked up, but she'd sit with you and let you pet her. Really liked cheese.

I miss that cat.

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Postby sardia » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:54 pm UTC

You're not supposed to let cats hunt wild animals. Too much ecological damage.

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Postby rabidmuskrat » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:01 pm UTC

sardia wrote:You're not supposed to let cats hunt wild animals. Too much ecological damage.


It's amazing how many people don't realize this.

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Postby Sableagle » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:07 pm UTC

sardia wrote:Too much ecological damage.
cphite's posts in political threads have given me the impression that cphite has political inclinations in line with or even political affliation with a party noted for not seeming to believe "too much ecological damage" is possible.
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Postby Leovan » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:36 pm UTC

sardia wrote:You're not supposed to let cats hunt wild animals. Too much ecological damage.


How do you stop an outside cat from hunting?

Mine is a fraidy cat. I think I saw him play with a mouse once, but he's never brought anything home. We also live in the fifth floor, so he may drop whatever he's holding when we call him, dunno. I see him trying to catch birds, but he mostly sits there and watches them until they fly away, that's when he runs after, then seems disappointed. But I've seen him run away from kittens 1/5th his size, and he's a pretty big cat.

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Postby sardia » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:24 pm UTC

Leovan wrote:How do you stop an outside cat from hunting?
Mine is a fraidy cat. I think I saw him play with a mouse once, but he's never brought anything home. We also live in the fifth floor, so he may drop whatever he's holding when we call him, dunno. I see him trying to catch birds, but he mostly sits there and watches them until they fly away, that's when he runs after, then seems disappointed. But I've seen him run away from kittens 1/5th his size, and he's a pretty big cat.

https://www.tyrantfarms.com/5-ways-to-s ... -wildlife/
1. Train it to be indoor cat.(not always practical, but best solution.
2. Electric invisible fence.
3. Neuter your cat (so it doesn't breed out of control when you lose the cat)
4. Put a collar on it that's designed for high visibility to birds. (Bird and lizard eyes can't see cat fur well. Rodents won't notice your cat more)
5. If all else fails, murder your cat.
Kinda macabre, but it applies to every scenario, from loving family to careless callous owners.

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Postby Soupspoon » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:46 pm UTC

I remember being told, by the warden of a Youth Hostel deep in the countryside (mid-Wales IIRC, but not sure), that the hostel's 'resident' tabby had been known to drag swans into the building. Presumably ambushed well down the hill (from what I recall) in the valley bottom this place was perched high above.

Because dragging the swan corpse home can't have been much of a problem once the swan was made a corpse. Or so insensible that the drag finished the job off.

(This was late '70s/early '80s. They were wilder times, back then.)

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Postby freezeblade » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:29 pm UTC

Leovan wrote:
sardia wrote:You're not supposed to let cats hunt wild animals. Too much ecological damage.


How do you stop an outside cat from hunting?


Putting a bell on the collar is a good start, warns the prey that the predator is nearby, cuts down on hunting effectiveness pretty well.
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Postby cphite » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:54 pm UTC

sardia wrote:You're not supposed to let cats hunt wild animals. Too much ecological damage.


That's an issue in urban areas and in the suburbs... people bring cats and other predators into an area that wouldn't otherwise be there, and they hunt things that aren't used to being hunted. A couple of cats in the suburbs can do a whole lot of damage to the local wildlife.

This was an outdoor cat in a rural area, that would have already been one of many outdoor cats; already hunting along with countless other predators such as foxes, wolves, hawks, and the like. She wasn't making any significant difference to the local ecosystem; aside from directing it away from the house.

In rural areas, it's not uncommon to keep cats around specifically because they'll hunt down vermin. Main reason that farm cats are a thing.

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Postby sardia » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:37 pm UTC

cphite wrote:That's an issue in urban areas and in the suburbs... people bring cats and other predators into an area that wouldn't otherwise be there, and they hunt things that aren't used to being hunted. A couple of cats in the suburbs can do a whole lot of damage to the local wildlife.

This was an outdoor cat in a rural area, that would have already been one of many outdoor cats; already hunting along with countless other predators such as foxes, wolves, hawks, and the like. She wasn't making any significant difference to the local ecosystem; aside from directing it away from the house.

In rural areas, it's not uncommon to keep cats around specifically because they'll hunt down vermin. Main reason that farm cats are a thing.
it depends how feral your cats are and the odds that it either breeds or starts spreading. Maybe you got lucky, and nothing bad happened. Or maybe your cat had a Randy time, and formed a large feral cat population.

Cats can walk without triggering bells, and birds don't listen for cats, they look for predators. Either case, bells are ineffective. Tldr neuter your cats, and don't let them go feral/wild.

Not sure if that is practical for barn cats. Like did you manage a family of cats or did you literally have a single cat for a tiny farm?

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Postby Leovan » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:34 am UTC

He did have a bell. That could explain his ineffectiveness. And he's neutered. Not that Switzerland has a large feral feline population. Not enough wilderness and too many non-ferile competitors.

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Postby orthogon » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:13 am UTC

Soupspoon wrote:I remember being told, by the warden of a Youth Hostel deep in the countryside (mid-Wales IIRC, but not sure), that the hostel's 'resident' tabby had been known to drag swans into the building. Presumably ambushed well down the hill (from what I recall) in the valley bottom this place was perched high above.

Because dragging the swan corpse home can't have been much of a problem once the swan was made a corpse. Or so insensible that the drag finished the job off.

(This was late '70s/early '80s. They were wilder times, back then.)

Wilder in some ways, but treason was still a capital offence, and what with all the swans belonging to the Queen, the moggy was lucky not to be strung up for it...
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Postby Soupspoon » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:05 pm UTC

Julian Assange is biting the hand that feeds him? (Or at least that is keeping him from being fed upon.)

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Postby Mutex » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:32 pm UTC

He does realise they can just kick him out, right? He's in their house. If he doesn't like the rules, he can leave.

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Postby CorruptUser » Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:17 am UTC

He was always a self absorbed asshole.

Most famous people are, of course, but Assange even more so.

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Postby sardia » Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:40 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:He was always a self absorbed asshole.

Most famous people are, of course, but Assange even more so.

He's not exactly in a healthy environment. He only has a few friends left, and one of those is Putin.

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Postby CorruptUser » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:45 am UTC

I actually believe that he raped one of the Swedish women; one of the claims is that he took off the condom during sex without her knowledge/consent (which is considered rape in many countries, though not yet in the US), which is consistent with his stated goal of having as many children as possible (but never having to raise them himself). So yeah, he's a piece of a shit and I'm not going to shed any tears about how awful his living situation is.

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Postby Soupspoon » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:48 pm UTC

Taking into account the subsurface extent, unfortunately this 'berg oughtn't to be anything like 1x4x9(x…), I presume.

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Postby commodorejohn » Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:14 pm UTC

"Wait, sorry, that's actually a sheet of Styrofoam insulation."
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Postby Coyne » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:00 am UTC

It does look like Styrofoam. So where is Amazon shipping it?
In all fairness...

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby MakingProgress » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:58 pm UTC

MakingProgress wrote:
Thesh wrote:https://taskandpurpose.com/f16-destroyed-belgium/

Technician accidentally fires the cannon on an F16 during maintenance, destroying another F16.


They are due for replacement anyway, but preferably not this way. :lol:
(Belgium government is considering buying the F35 for years already.)



It is decided !
Belgium is buying 34 F-35 fighter jets for a total cost of approximately 4 billion €.
To console the French for not buying their Rafale we will be buying some French military equipment as well, armored trucks for about another 1,6 billion €.
I hope everybody here understands that this is a huge deal for a small country like Belgium. I wonder who is going to pay for all this ?
Spoiler:
Actually, i know who is paying for this. I am ! :x

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Postby Mutex » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:11 pm UTC

MakingProgress wrote:I hope everybody here understands that this is a huge deal for a small country like Belgium. I wonder who is going to pay for all this ?
Spoiler:
Actually, i know who is paying for this. I am ! :x

Jeez, your fellow countrymen could at least have chipped in a bit.


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