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Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:11 pm UTC

We kind of need to look at the bigger picture. We have a massive amount of bloat in American corporations due to Byzantine laws, including entire industries.

We have an overly complicated tax law system whose only purpose is to ensure that tens of thousands of accountants are still employed in middle/upper-middle class jobs. We have a bloated legal system due to being the only country with the American rule for attorney's fees, and the result is that the US has somewhere around 1.3 MILLION attorneys. Our doctors waste an enormous amount of time on medically unnecessary and often dangerous operations that are only done to avoid said attorneys, which means we have more doctors than we otherwise need. Human resources is another form of bloat I won't get into in this rant. As for industries, other than Term life, life insurance itself provides little actual benefit to society as a whole and only exists as a combination of investment and estate tax avoidance, and as soon as the tax loopholes are gone so is the bulk of life insurance.

These are not stupid people being given things to keep them too occupied to stick their fingers in the outlets. These are above average if not brilliant people wasting their minds on jobs that only exist to provide them with jobs. You could eliminate these jobs but tax the industries/people the same amount they were spending and give the people the same money to keep their thumbs lodged up their anuses, and the economy would be exactly the same. But rather than do that, do the eliminate and tax part, but instead of paying people to have their dick/kitty in hand, we could instead pay those people to do the jobs we do need. It wouldn't even take that much retraining either! All those attorneys? We have a public defender crisis, which fixed would help keep innocent people out of prison, which would have a myriad of other savings as well. Those doctors could still do medicine, but instead of wasting time on the unnecessary medicine they could expand to the underserved communities. Those accountants? Ok, I don't know what they'd do but they aren't dumb people and they could probably do something.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tobias » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:12 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Look, a donation to the appropriate cause helps the protected class, yes? Sure, a larger donation helps more, but everything helps.

I mean, if it's only moral if it's a sufficiently large amount, then I guess only the rich can be moral.


I struggle to see how a donation of any sort would have a noticeable influence on class-based issues (class here meaning race or other demographic distinguisher, not economic class). Most class-based issues are not, at a fundamental level, things that can be resolved through simple transfers of wealth (although transfers of wealth can be a force multiplier for other attempts to resolve these issues), because so long as the systemic issues exist the wealth will assuredly be drained off in short order as equilibrium is reached.

The primary issue that can be resolved through wealth redistribution is extreme power dynamics allowing individuals with high wealth to direct that wealth towards achieving class-harming goals. But that wealth distributions primary benefit can't be resolved with individual donations, only be redistributing the wealth away from those who would spend it supporting or building up institutions that promote or enable systemic racism.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:19 pm UTC

Tobias wrote: Most class-based issues are not, at a fundamental level, things that can be resolved through simple transfers of wealth because so long as the systemic issues exist the wealth will assuredly be drained off in short order as equilibrium is reached.


I entirely agree.

Thus, one can oppose policies that purport to help minorities without being racist. "that doesn't work" is a particularly common form of opposition. The mere fact that something distributes money to the poor does not mean anyone opposing it is racist, sexist, or anything else.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tobias » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:25 pm UTC

Considering many activists fighting against sexism, racism, and other such problems also criticize and oppose many policies that purport to help minorities, that should be obvious.

Lots of folks do oppose them for racist reasons while denying that is their motivation, though. You can usually tell the difference by looking at which policies, in particular, they oppose.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby eran_rathan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:28 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:These are not stupid people being given things to keep them too occupied to stick their fingers in the outlets. These are above average if not brilliant people wasting their minds on jobs that only exist to provide them with jobs. You could eliminate these jobs but tax the industries/people the same amount they were spending and give the people the same money to keep their thumbs lodged up their anuses, and the economy would be exactly the same. But rather than do that, do the eliminate and tax part, but instead of paying people to have their dick/kitty in hand, we could instead pay those people to do the jobs we do need. It wouldn't even take that much retraining either! All those attorneys? We have a public defender crisis, which fixed would help keep innocent people out of prison, which would have a myriad of other savings as well. Those doctors could still do medicine, but instead of wasting time on the unnecessary medicine they could expand to the underserved communities. Those accountants? Ok, I don't know what they'd do but they aren't dumb people and they could probably do something.


but. then you're stealing money from the poor private prison executives! won't you think of their children?!


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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Sableagle » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:29 pm UTC

As an example, if a company called Café Rouge is in the habit of paying its waiting staff £2.00 / hr plus whatever tips they get from customers then topping that up to the legal minimum wage out of the company account*, me making a donation of £10 to the poor waitress does her no good at all but me donating that money to Avaaz to help them fund their campaign to ban that practice and force the bastards to pay her minimum wage anyway and let her keep the tips does help.

So does paying a really insultingly small tip on the credit card to distract the predatory management bastards and giving her the tip in cash, unless they're watching on CCTV and see me do that.

(*This, like the example of a British army veteran hearing that a housing development was being built on a flood plain and saying "Good. Put some pakis in it and make 'em drown," is one of those times the world would be a better place if I was making this shit up.)
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:31 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Look, a donation to the appropriate cause helps the protected class, yes? Sure, a larger donation helps more, but everything helps.

I mean, if it's only moral if it's a sufficiently large amount, then I guess only the rich can be moral.

What about getting the community together to raise funds collectively, and deciding how much we should give to a protected class? That helps the most.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:33 pm UTC

sardia wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:Look, a donation to the appropriate cause helps the protected class, yes? Sure, a larger donation helps more, but everything helps.

I mean, if it's only moral if it's a sufficiently large amount, then I guess only the rich can be moral.

What about getting the community together to raise funds collectively, and deciding how much we should give to a protected class? That helps the most.


If you want to run a charity drive, by all means. Can definitely boost your impact that way.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby eran_rathan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:35 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
sardia wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:Look, a donation to the appropriate cause helps the protected class, yes? Sure, a larger donation helps more, but everything helps.

I mean, if it's only moral if it's a sufficiently large amount, then I guess only the rich can be moral.

What about getting the community together to raise funds collectively, and deciding how much we should give to a protected class? That helps the most.


If you want to run a charity drive, by all means. Can definitely boost your impact that way.


yeah, and if we had a large institution so that everyone got a say in how the money was spent, and then distributed it equitably...

oh, wait, we just reinvented democracy and taxation.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tobias » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:35 pm UTC

sardia wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:Look, a donation to the appropriate cause helps the protected class, yes? Sure, a larger donation helps more, but everything helps.

I mean, if it's only moral if it's a sufficiently large amount, then I guess only the rich can be moral.

What about getting the community together to raise funds collectively, and deciding how much we should give to a protected class? That helps the most.

Are you suggesting some sort of democratic method for determining and funding collective goals?

Hmm... if only there was a system in place to accomplish something like that, it might be a good idea. But alas...

Edit: Darn, you posted again and now this doesn't work since you already went past it >:|

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:37 pm UTC

Now, is it still moral if we only take money from those who want to donate, or is it only moral if we force the unwilling?

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby natraj » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:41 pm UTC

are you a roads and wars are totally acceptable use of taxed money but helping the poors magically isn't kind of libertarian or a there should be literally no public infrastructure, let's hurry on toward the dystopia where only the rich can afford to actually travel because every section of roads is private toll kind of libertarian just so we know what we're dealing with
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby elasto » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:45 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Now, is it still moral if we only take money from those who want to donate, or is it only moral if we force the unwilling?

Realistically, when it comes to the super-rich, they need pay no more tax than they are willing, such are the plentiful options for avoidance.

Global companies have even more avenues for avoidance, and usually even less compunction over pursuing them ruthlessly.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:47 pm UTC

elasto wrote:
Tyndmyr wrote:Now, is it still moral if we only take money from those who want to donate, or is it only moral if we force the unwilling?

Realistically, when it comes to the super-rich, they need pay no more tax than they are willing, such are the plentiful options for avoidance.

Global companies have even more avenues for avoidance, and usually even less compunction over pursuing them ruthlessly.


But there's plenty of people who are not quite so rich who you can coerce.

natraj wrote:are you a roads and wars are totally acceptable use of taxed money but helping the poors magically isn't kind of libertarian or a there should be literally no public infrastructure, let's hurry on toward the dystopia where only the rich can afford to actually travel because every section of roads is private toll kind of libertarian just so we know what we're dealing with


I was just amused by the "only taxation is moral", which seemed like such a hilarious inversion of libertarian ideology as to be some kind of bad joke.

Taxation is, to some extent, necessary. Direct or indirect. You can do it off of income or tariffs or whatever, but end of the day, it's still some kind of tax. However, the least necessary is best, and I'm pretty okay with having Dominos patch the roads.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:48 pm UTC

This is why government should be handled at the lowest levels possible.

I feel like I said this earlier today.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby natraj » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:49 pm UTC

it's a good thing nobody said only taxation is moral, that would be a wild kind if strawman
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:52 pm UTC

They refuse to apply the morality/immorality standards they do to support of public policy to private behavior. Clearly, they feel that taxing is more moral than giving.

Anyways, this IS the news forum, so I'm tossing in some Trump news: https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2018/jun/22/opec-meeting-oil-supply-greece-hails-historic-debt-deal-business-live TLDR: Trump threatened tariffs if OPEC didn't boost production, and they buckled.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tobias » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:57 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Now, is it still moral if we only take money from those who want to donate, or is it only moral if we force the unwilling?

The unwilling are usually the cause of the problem, and even when they aren't we get serious free-rider problems that mean they have the incentive to BECOME a cause for personal benefit, so long term, yeah, it's only really moral when we force the unwilling. From a utilitarian perspective.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:11 pm UTC

So... OPEC is willing to cave whereas the EU and China fight back. Interesting.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Chen » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:12 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Anyways, this IS the news forum, so I'm tossing in some Trump news: https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2018/jun/22/opec-meeting-oil-supply-greece-hails-historic-debt-deal-business-live TLDR: Trump threatened tariffs if OPEC didn't boost production, and they buckled.


Aren't those two things separate? Tariffs on European cars were threatened and OPEC boosted production after a bunch of Saudi/Iran negotiations.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby eran_rathan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:13 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:This is why government should be handled at the lowest levels possible.

I feel like I said this earlier today.



Please explain how your town is going to raise the funds for a highway.


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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:15 pm UTC

eran_rathan wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:This is why government should be handled at the lowest levels possible.

I feel like I said this earlier today.



Please explain how your town is going to raise the funds for a highway.


Go on, I'll wait.


When I mentioned Dominos filling potholes, I wasn't speaking in a hypothetical. They're doing that.

In any case, a great many roads are not built by the federal government. Cities and countries build their own roads pretty much all the time.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby eran_rathan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:19 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
eran_rathan wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:This is why government should be handled at the lowest levels possible.

I feel like I said this earlier today.



Please explain how your town is going to raise the funds for a highway.


Go on, I'll wait.


When I mentioned Dominos filling potholes, I wasn't speaking in a hypothetical. They're doing that.

In any case, a great many roads are not built by the federal government. Cities and countries build their own roads pretty much all the time.



How many towns are building bridges, capable of the commerce necessary to prevent things like, I dunno, food riots when people are starving in large cities?
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:24 pm UTC

Whichever towns need bridges, pretty much. Were you under the impression that bridge-building was something only the federal government does?

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby eran_rathan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:27 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:Whichever towns need bridges, pretty much. Were you under the impression that bridge-building was something only the federal government does?



Hardly - I work with the Maine DOT specifically on bridge projects. Roughly half to 60% of the funding for them comes from the Federal government however. I'm just wondering if you think, for example, the City of Boston would be able to put up the money for a new Tobin Bridge on their own dollar, for example.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:30 pm UTC

If they were able to skip sending those dollars to the fed in the first place, I'm sure they could. They have a number of taxpayers after all, yes?

In the end, it's gonna be a contract for specialists one way or another, regardless of which agency you route the money through.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby eran_rathan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:35 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:If they were able to skip sending those dollars to the fed in the first place, I'm sure they could. They have a number of taxpayers after all, yes?

In the end, it's gonna be a contract for specialists one way or another, regardless of which agency you route the money through.



that's amusing, in a really sad kind of way. No, they really can't (without, of course, doubling taxes, which libertarians are morally opposed to, except for other people naturally).
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:37 pm UTC

The taxes, at present, are going to the fed. A more locally organized government would presumably have similar taxes going to whatever local entity is handling it. Lowest level of government possible is an organizational thing. It isn't inherently a small government thing.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:43 pm UTC

I guess you missed the part where i said "the lowest level possible."

It is obviously a very convoluted problem. Having a highway that runs from western Kansas - where I own a farm - is extremely important because the company that just harvested the wheat they planted through my land lease agreement needs to be able to transport it to somewhere of convenience. This is inter-county commerce and should be handled by the state. For things that involve inter-state commerce the constitution gives that power to the federal government (who in turn usually delegates tasks to the different states and retains an oversight role.)

You may not see it as much living in Boston but in small towns or rural areas you'll see signs that say "COUNTY MAINTENANCE BEGINS" or "STATE MAINTENANCE BEGINS" or "CITY MAINTENANCE BEGINS". In some rural towns they may opt to just run everything through the county as a matter of convenience where economics takes over - especially if there is only a couple towns in that county.

The state isn't funding the road improvement that just happened outside my subdivision in my town. My town built that. Maybe they applied for a grant from various government entities - which is reprehensible (not that I blame them for taking advantage of it if they did) but that's not the point. If such an upgrade was really useful to the town they would have done it anyways.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:49 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:The taxes, at present, are going to the fed. A more locally organized government would presumably have similar taxes going to whatever local entity is handling it. Lowest level of government possible is an organizational thing. It isn't inherently a small government thing.

Wouldn't that screw over poorer states/areas? Like back in the day, Detroit was a powerhouse, but now is in need of help. Under a non-federal system, they would be in even more trouble. Farmers would be in trouble too. Pretty much every rural state would tank, or at least worse off.
Of course, things change, so today's Hicksville could be tomorrow's rich state complaining about the teachers next door.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby natraj » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:51 pm UTC

trpmb6 wrote:Maybe they applied for a grant from various government entities - which is reprehensible (not that I blame them for taking advantage of it if they did) but that's not the point. If such an upgrade was really useful to the town they would have done it anyways.


this is great though like really illuminating to see what conservatives find reprehensible. locking up migrants in concentration camps, a+, a town applying for government grant money in order to do road upkeep woooah now we are in truly objectionable territory
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:55 pm UTC

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Tyndmyr wrote:The taxes, at present, are going to the fed. A more locally organized government would presumably have similar taxes going to whatever local entity is handling it. Lowest level of government possible is an organizational thing. It isn't inherently a small government thing.

Wouldn't that screw over poorer states/areas? Like back in the day, Detroit was a powerhouse, but now is in need of help. Under a non-federal system, they would be in even more trouble. Farmers would be in trouble too. Pretty much every rural state would tank, or at least worse off.
Of course, things change, so today's Hicksville could be tomorrow's rich state complaining about the teachers next door.


I care a great deal more about large v small than localization, but those same rural states tend to be the more republican ones, so...meh? If they want it, cheers for them.

Localization matters for some things. Pretty much everyone who has been in a massive corporation has some story of doing something absolutely stupid because it was a rule from on high. Made sense in general, probably, but not at all for the situation. Not every rule is that way, though. National defense does obviously require some national level coordination, of course. Every town rolling their own militia would not be quite the same.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby ucim » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:25 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:and I'm pretty okay with having Dominos patch the roads.
Be careful what you wish for... When the people (via government) patch the roads, we get what the people want. When Dominos patches the roads, we get Dominos ads. (Yes, I know they said we could opt out. For now.) Sure, it's a good PR campaign for a one-off, but if this is how roads are built and financed, we could end up quite compromised. And it's not like it's free road work either; we pay for it in the increased price of Dominos pizza (the ad dollars come from somewhere). We used to have billboards all over the nation advertising stuff; the Nixon era "beautify America" campaign got rid of a lot of those ugly eyesores.

Just think where this can go... Highway exit signs sponsored by Brugal rum, stop signs sponsored by Planned Parenthood, imagine the rest, all accompanied by their own signs, logos, and distractions.

Wouldn't it be useful (to Dominos) to know exactly which cars are passing which signs? Just let them put up spycams in exchange for shoulder maintenance, and those exit signs can direct you by name to the nearest liquor store. Hey, free roads and convenient tanking up!

Won't happen? Look at Facebook.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:31 pm UTC

It's essentially Dominos just hiring the same construction crews. Extra money for road work. Sure, they got some PR out of it. I'm okay with that. I wish Baltimore would bite on that, instead of being a pothole infested hellhole. Seriously, this place is garbage to drive in.

Sure, sure, no free lunch. But ultimately, Dominos is gonna spend advertising money on something. Every big company does. If the advertising ends up serving a useful purpose, all the better. I mean, billboards are still definitely a thing as well.

Plus, to some extent it might be of practical help to delivery drivers. Sure, sure, it's 90% PR, but it *is* in Domino's interest to have the roads work.

I'm pretty sure that near-endless tracking didn't require Dominos doing road work. The invention of the smartphone probably did it.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:46 pm UTC

ucim wrote:Just think where this can go... Highway exit signs sponsored by Brugal rum


I'd actually be ok with this aspect of it. Get the mcdonald's on the exit to sponsor the sign so you do two things - reduce the cost of the sign and reduce the amount of signage required on the side of the highway.

I'd love to see brawndo signs on my water tower.

(Also another bit of humor about water towers two towns in missouri along highway 44 come to mind. One town is Bourbon, MO - their water tower on top of the hill next to the high way says BOURBON on it. Another town has two water towers. One says HOT and the other says COLD. People i've road tripped have actually asked "wow do they actually supply hot water to every house?!? that's awesome!?" <facepalm>)
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:51 pm UTC

I would straight donate to get a brawndo advertisement on a water tower near me.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:57 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:I would straight donate to get a brawndo advertisement on a water tower near me.


My town has our water tower lit up with green flood lights to show how "green" we are. Which I always thought was sort of ironic because lighting it up with flood lights all night isn't required by the FAA - it already has the necessary required blinking lights.

So since it's green I thought brawndo would fit nicely on it.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:00 pm UTC

Oh, they do that out east in a few places as well! Not the brawndo, but the lighting it up, or using green lighting to signify going green, in a highly questionable display of logic. Green's sort of a buzzword now, it may or may not mean anything concrete.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby trpmb6 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:16 am UTC

If anyone wishes to continue discussing, I'll reply here. Leaving the free to be free and clear of my wretched views.

Continuation:

I called for the firing of Comey on these forums after the announcement of him saying he found no reasonable prosecutor would file charges. He stepped out of line then (as confirmed by the IG report) but more to the point it was my view that it wasn't his fucking job to decide if it was prosecutable or not. His job was to present the evidence. He did present the evidence. Damming evidence for anyone who has a clearance and understands the stakes. And yet he pulled that stunt. It stank.
(terran/protoss/zerg/fascist fuck)

iamspen
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby iamspen » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:51 am UTC



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