E-Sports group separate men's and women's divisions

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E-Sports group separate men's and women's divisions

Postby poochyena » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:54 am UTC

http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/2/5864103 ... n-blizzard
Competitive Hearthstone players interested in participating in an upcoming eSports tournament led by the Finnish Assembly will only be allowed entrance if they are male players, reads a statement from the company's official website that was later confirmed by PC Gamer.

"The participation is open only to Finnish male players," the statement reads.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconside ... nder-rules
Why Divide Men From Women In E-Sports?

The original, intended goal for the gender-divided tournaments, the IeSF says, was to help advance its goal of legitimizing e-sports. Part of that effort was to comply with international sports regulations as it seeks membership into SportAccord, an organization that unites numerous international sports federations. Its rules state that a sport must "actively encourage women to participate."


ugh
Is there any actual reason to seperate the sexes for any reason other than sexism?
Any sport or competition that doesn't rely mainly on brute force/strength, i really don't see how anyone can justify seperating males and females.

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Re: E-Sports group separate men's and women's divisions

Postby Djehutynakht » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:10 am UTC

Just for reference, we've been discussing this topic here.

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Re: E-Sports group separate men's and women's divisions

Postby Cleverbeans » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:08 am UTC

Chess still has segregated tournaments, not sure why though.
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Re: E-Sports group separate men's and women's divisions

Postby Derek » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:23 am UTC

FYI, they already reversed their decision.

Cleverbeans wrote:Chess still has segregated tournaments, not sure why though.

Really it's a women's division and an everyone division. There is no men's-only division. (From what I understand, anyways). This is what the game tournament has decided to do instead of truly segregating the divisions.

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Re: E-Sports group separate men's and women's divisions

Postby Diadem » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:09 am UTC

Yeah, chess isn't really segregated. The overwhelming number of tournaments and competitions are open to all genders. There are a small number of events that are women-only, such as a women's national championship. But those are an addition to the gender-neutral tournaments, not a replacement.

There's often a prize for best woman in general tournaments. But those also are additional prizes. Women are perfectly eligible for the main prizes.

One problem I see though is that many e-sports use knock-out tournaments. Knock out tournaments are of course a generally horrible idea, yet strangely popular. Even assuming zero influence from luck, a knock-out system can only reliably determine who is best, so a prize for "best woman" or "best player under 18" or anything like that just can't be given in a system like that.
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Re: E-Sports group separate men's and women's divisions

Postby Derek » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:24 am UTC

Diadem wrote:One problem I see though is that many e-sports use knock-out tournaments. Knock out tournaments are of course a generally horrible idea, yet strangely popular. Even assuming zero influence from luck, a knock-out system can only reliably determine who is best, so a prize for "best woman" or "best player under 18" or anything like that just can't be given in a system like that.

It varies from game to game, but I think most games have a regular non-tournament season, however these matches get far less views (if they're even streamed) and promotion. They are used to determine which teams get into the tournaments and what the seeding will be though.

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Re: E-Sports group separate men's and women's divisions

Postby Jesse » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:48 pm UTC

The general reason for a knock-out tournament is because its the most exciting to watch. Every game means something, so you don't end up with 'pointless' games where people who can't win are playing people who can't win. Esports tournaments live and die by their viewership, they're so expensive to run that simple attendance struggles to cover the cost without sponsorship, and sponsors want broadcasts and viewers.

As far as the topic goes, it was a stupid decision and I'm happy the public outcry shut it down.

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Re: E-Sports group separate men's and women's divisions

Postby HungryHobo » Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:21 pm UTC

one of the articles notes

There weren't female equivalents for all the games being played in the men's division.


apparently when it was first announced there also wasn't a male equivalent of the "Tekken Tag Tournament 2"
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