The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Seen something interesting in the news or on the intertubes? Discuss it here.

Moderators: Zamfir, Hawknc, Moderators General, Prelates

morriswalters
Posts: 6426
Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:21 am UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby morriswalters » Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:15 am UTC

The Amazon Store is 1800 square feet.

User avatar
freezeblade
Posts: 960
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:11 pm UTC
Location: Oakland

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby freezeblade » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:51 pm UTC

As of tomorrow, you can hail a self-driving car from uber in San Fransisco.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/techn ... .html?_r=0

I'm not sure how it will do, as even humans seem to not be able to drive in SF due to density of pedestrians, complicated streets, verticality, etc. The future is now!
Belial wrote:I am not even in the same country code as "the mood for this shit."

commodorejohn
Posts: 800
Joined: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:21 pm UTC
Location: Sacramento, CA
Contact:

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby commodorejohn » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:33 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:I'm not sure how it will do, as even humans seem to not be able to drive in SF due to density of pedestrians, complicated streets, verticality, etc. The future is now!

Fortunately, due to Bay area traffic, we can rest assured that no resulting accidents will take place at greater than 5 MPH.
"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling."
- Bjarne Stroustrup
www.commodorejohn.com - in case you were wondering, which you probably weren't.

elasto
Posts: 2913
Joined: Mon May 10, 2010 1:53 am UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby elasto » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:55 pm UTC

Genetically modified (GM) plants designed to use light more efficiently produced a 20% greater yield in a study that could have significant implications for global food supplies.

The field trial, which used tobacco plants, is the first to show that GM techniques can be used to boost the basic efficiency of photosynthesis, potentially offering substantial gains across almost all food crops in the future. Until now many scientists had doubted this would be possible.

The scientists believe the finding could help meet the global demand for food, which is projected by the UN to rise by 70% by 2050.

Professor Stephen Long, who led the work at the University of Illinois, said: “We don’t know for certain this approach will work in other crops, but because we’re targeting a universal process that is the same in all crops, we’re pretty sure it will."

The team have now been funded by the Gates Foundation to introduce similar modifications in major food crops, starting with rice, soya bean and cassava.

Cool beans

(Although, it has to be said, poor distribution is the main reason for food scarcity right now, not poor yields; My understanding is the world produces enough to feed everyone - it just doesn't get to everyone that needs it)

User avatar
CorruptUser
Posts: 8264
Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:12 pm UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby CorruptUser » Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:09 pm UTC

I can't tell. Is this the much-vaulted C4 carbon fixation process in C3 crops? If it is, hooray, we finally have that working! If it isn't, hooray, we finally have a massive boon but still have room for improvement!

edit: Comparing to other sources, this does look like the C4 carbon fixation. WOOHOO! We finally have it! If we can do it in tobacco, we should be able to do it in rice and other crops.

User avatar
sardia
Posts: 5309
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:39 am UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby sardia » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:59 am UTC

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/healt ... ccine.html
New vaccine provides 100% protection from Ebola. Fuck you viral hemorrhagic fever.
The vaccine has not yet been approved by any regulatory authority, but it is considered so effective that an emergency stockpile of 300,000 doses has already been created for use should an outbreak flare up again.

User avatar
Liri
Healthy non-floating pooper reporting for doodie.
Posts: 430
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:11 pm UTC
Contact:

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Liri » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:38 am UTC

And it's potentially effective up to 4 or 5 days post-infection!

User avatar
pogrmman
Posts: 183
Joined: Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:53 pm UTC
Location: Probably outside

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby pogrmman » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:27 pm UTC

And the majority of the side effects are mild!

They only had three major adverse reactions -- one of which was due to an allergy.

It is almost too good to be true.

commodorejohn
Posts: 800
Joined: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:21 pm UTC
Location: Sacramento, CA
Contact:

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby commodorejohn » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:42 pm UTC

pogrmman wrote:It is almost too good to be true.

Maybe it's just to balance out the karma from the entire rest of 2016.
"'Legacy code' often differs from its suggested alternative by actually working and scaling."
- Bjarne Stroustrup
www.commodorejohn.com - in case you were wondering, which you probably weren't.

User avatar
sardia
Posts: 5309
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:39 am UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby sardia » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:33 pm UTC

pogrmman wrote:And the majority of the side effects are mild!

They only had three major adverse reactions -- one of which was due to an allergy.

It is almost too good to be true.

It only targets 2 of the 5ish strains out there, so it's not a silver cure all. And it's not like the flu vaccine where you can give it to everyone. You should only give it to people in a circle around the ill person.

User avatar
pogrmman
Posts: 183
Joined: Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:53 pm UTC
Location: Probably outside

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby pogrmman » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:17 pm UTC

sardia wrote:
pogrmman wrote:And the majority of the side effects are mild!

They only had three major adverse reactions -- one of which was due to an allergy.

It is almost too good to be true.

It only targets 2 of the 5ish strains out there, so it's not a silver cure all. And it's not like the flu vaccine where you can give it to everyone. You should only give it to people in a circle around the ill person.



Even though it doesn't cover every strain -- it's still a great improvement. Having one will probably make it easier to invent vaccines for the other strains.

User avatar
Angua
Don't call her Delphine.
Posts: 5472
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:42 pm UTC
Location: UK/[St. Kitts and] Nevis Occasionally, I migrate to the US for a bit

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Angua » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:10 pm UTC

sardia wrote:
pogrmman wrote:And the majority of the side effects are mild!

They only had three major adverse reactions -- one of which was due to an allergy.

It is almost too good to be true.

It only targets 2 of the 5ish strains out there, so it's not a silver cure all. And it's not like the flu vaccine where you can give it to everyone. You should only give it to people in a circle around the ill person.

Ring vaccination would probably not happen if the outbreak was still on the uprise. It makes sense when you're only getting sporadic cases though.
'Look, sir, I know Angua. She's not the useless type. She doesn't stand there and scream helplessly. She makes other people do that.'
GNU Terry Pratchett

User avatar
pogrmman
Posts: 183
Joined: Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:53 pm UTC
Location: Probably outside

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby pogrmman » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:03 am UTC

Angua wrote:
sardia wrote:
pogrmman wrote:And the majority of the side effects are mild!

They only had three major adverse reactions -- one of which was due to an allergy.

It is almost too good to be true.

It only targets 2 of the 5ish strains out there, so it's not a silver cure all. And it's not like the flu vaccine where you can give it to everyone. You should only give it to people in a circle around the ill person.

Ring vaccination would probably not happen if the outbreak was still on the uprise. It makes sense when you're only getting sporadic cases though.


Considering that most ebola outbreaks are small (so, what you would call "sporadic cases"), this vaccine is likely to be very helpful -- even with just ring vaccination.

Really, only the big ebola outbreak was different from the norm of "sporadic cases".

Rig vaccination is fine for ebola in most circumstances.

User avatar
New User
Posts: 516
Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:40 am UTC
Location: USA

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby New User » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:24 am UTC

I haven't heard anything about administering this vaccine. When the outbreak was continuing in western Africa, I heard that preventive measures recommended by white doctors were being ignored by the locals because of a pervasive conspiracy theory that white doctors were intentionally spreading the disease. If that's still a widespread belief, I predict there will be many who resist vaccination.

User avatar
sardia
Posts: 5309
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:39 am UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby sardia » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:34 am UTC

New User wrote:I haven't heard anything about administering this vaccine. When the outbreak was continuing in western Africa, I heard that preventive measures recommended by white doctors were being ignored by the locals because of a pervasive conspiracy theory that white doctors were intentionally spreading the disease. If that's still a widespread belief, I predict there will be many who resist vaccination.

There's no plans for widespread vaccination. The side effects are severe enough that they're only going to do ring vaccinations, and not a total purge of the virus, a la smallpox or even the flu.

User avatar
New User
Posts: 516
Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:40 am UTC
Location: USA

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby New User » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:42 am UTC

I get that. I just mean that it seems international observers should be wary of how many people in these rings are going to resist vaccination when the time comes to administer it. It would be a shame to get our hopes up only to see widespread resistance when the next epidemic begins.

User avatar
CorruptUser
Posts: 8264
Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:12 pm UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby CorruptUser » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:48 am UTC

Can fruit bats be vaccinated? Because I think that would stop Ebola altogether.

WaterToFire
Posts: 213
Joined: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:09 pm UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby WaterToFire » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:08 am UTC

You might be able to do with with gene drive. But no one has tried something like that on a large scale as of yet.

hollow
Posts: 7
Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:24 am UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby hollow » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:09 am UTC

There are proposals to try, for an unrelated disease.

jewish_scientist
Posts: 477
Joined: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:15 pm UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby jewish_scientist » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:33 pm UTC

The gene drive sounds like a bad idea to me. Ecology is unbelievable complex and even the most basic studies have to gather data for years. I can easily imagine this ending up like the Aussie cane toad situation.

www.canetoadsinoz.com wrote:In the 1930’s, cane-growers in Queensland were very concerned about crop damage due to beetles – especially the frenchi beetle and the greyback beetle. So the Queensland Department of Agriculture looked into possible solutions. The chemicals available to kill insects at that time were very nasty – even DDT was yet to be invented – so “less destructive” approaches were examined. Based on reports of cane toad introduction helping to increase yields in Hawaiian sugar cane crops by eating beetles, Reginald Mungomery organized the import of toads.

It’s easy to criticize scientists like Mungomery - with the benefit of hindsight, bringing in toads was a REALLY bad idea! But we think that’s a bit tough – if they were indeed looking for a more ecologically sustainable solution to beetle damage than harmful chemicals, all we can really say is that they tried to do the right thing, but got it awfully wrong.
Brought to you by the Interstellar Frungy League. "Frungy, the Sport of Kings!"

commodorejohn wrote:
I wish that someone would tell them that it is not a good idea to mock the giants you are standing on.

But man, that's the entire cultural foundation of the 21st century!

User avatar
pogrmman
Posts: 183
Joined: Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:53 pm UTC
Location: Probably outside

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby pogrmman » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:56 am UTC

jewish_scientist wrote:The gene drive sounds like a bad idea to me. Ecology is unbelievable complex and even the most basic studies have to gather data for years. I can easily imagine this ending up like the Aussie cane toad situation.


It sounds like one to me too -- even seemingly innocuous things can have big effects.

It's not like fruit bats only have a small effect on things -- changing something with them could have really significant repercussions.

Soupspoon
Posts: 1440
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:00 pm UTC
Location: 53-1

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:51 pm UTC

morriswalters wrote:The Amazon Store is 1800 square feet.

And now it flies!

(So, a Network of automated robot drone controllers in the Sky...)

Mambrino
Posts: 388
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:45 pm UTC
Location: No we don't have polar bears. Except in zoos.

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Mambrino » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:30 pm UTC


User avatar
Liri
Healthy non-floating pooper reporting for doodie.
Posts: 430
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:11 pm UTC
Contact:

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Liri » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:49 pm UTC


I wonder what that'll look like on the resumés of those laid off. Being one of the first humans replaced by an AI must have an odd sting to it.

User avatar
notzeb
Without Warning
Posts: 625
Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:44 am UTC
Location: a series of tubes

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby notzeb » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:43 pm UTC

Zµ«V­jÕ«ZµjÖ­Zµ«VµjÕ­ZµkV­ZÕ«VµjÖ­Zµ«V­jÕ«ZµjÖ­ZÕ«VµjÕ­ZµkV­ZÕ«VµjÖ­Zµ«V­jÕ«ZµjÖ­ZÕ«VµjÕ­ZµkV­ZÕ«ZµjÖ­Zµ«V­jÕ«ZµjÖ­ZÕ«VµjÕ­Z

Soupspoon
Posts: 1440
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:00 pm UTC
Location: 53-1

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:23 am UTC

notzeb wrote:Don't worry, the singularity is still a long way off.
I'd be more worried about the event horizon than the singularity, strictly...

elasto
Posts: 2913
Joined: Mon May 10, 2010 1:53 am UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby elasto » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:46 am UTC

notzeb wrote:Don't worry, the singularity is still a long way off.

Sobering Ted Talk on that very topic

User avatar
Zamfir
Posts: 7146
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:43 pm UTC
Location: Nederland

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Zamfir » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:30 pm UTC

Liri wrote:

I wonder what that'll look like on the resumés of those laid off. Being one of the first humans replaced by an AI must have an odd sting to it.

That's mostly a definition issue? Look at typical ENIAC work - numerical integration of non-linear functions for tables. That used to be human work, definitely skilled work as well. I think the literal term "artificial intelligence" is from the 1960s, but people used similar terms before.

elasto
Posts: 2913
Joined: Mon May 10, 2010 1:53 am UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby elasto » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:27 pm UTC

Dentists have devised a treatment to regenerate rotten teeth that could substantially reduce the need for fillings in the future. The therapy relies on a drug called tideglusib, which has been assessed as a potential Alzheimer’s treatment, and which is known to be safe for clinical use.

Previous work by the team has shown that the drug stimulates stem cells in the centre of the tooth, triggering them to develop into odontoblasts (specialised tooth cells) and boosting the production of dentine, allowing larger defects to be reversed. “We get more of the cells, much quicker and they are more active,” said Sharpe.

In the study, published in Scientific Reports, the scientists drilled holes into the teeth of mice, inserted a biodegradable collagen sponge soaked in the drug and sealed the tooth with a dental adhesive. When the teeth were examined several weeks later, the sponge had degraded and been replaced with new dentine.


link

User avatar
Zohar
COMMANDER PORN
Posts: 6947
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:45 pm UTC
Location: NY

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Zohar » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:43 pm UTC

That would be so fantastic, not having to deal with fallen fillings and such, or being able to recreate a broken tooth.
Mighty Jalapeno: "See, Zohar agrees, and he's nice to people."
SecondTalon: "Still better looking than Jesus."

User avatar
sardia
Posts: 5309
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:39 am UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby sardia » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:47 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:That would be so fantastic, not having to deal with fallen fillings and such, or being able to recreate a broken tooth.

The
Ada would never go for it. Dentist build their lives around drilling teeth until they are replaced, and making you addicted to whitening.

User avatar
Zohar
COMMANDER PORN
Posts: 6947
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:45 pm UTC
Location: NY

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Zohar » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:50 pm UTC

1. There are other countries than the US that have dental practices.
2. Why would this interfere with whitening treatments? And do most people do those?
3. You'd still, presumably, have to go to the dentist to get this treatment. It wouldn't stop cavities from happening. How often do people replace their cavities? I've had to replace once after maybe 15 or 20 years or something? And the same with a broken tooth I have? Doctors definitely made more off me just from cleaning and annual checkups.
Mighty Jalapeno: "See, Zohar agrees, and he's nice to people."
SecondTalon: "Still better looking than Jesus."

Mambrino
Posts: 388
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:45 pm UTC
Location: No we don't have polar bears. Except in zoos.

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Mambrino » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:23 pm UTC

And for some weird reason they recommend me to use toothbrush twice a day with fluorine toothpaste, not eat stuff that's bad for teeth, and give other advice that is bad for their business if patients do as told.

User avatar
sardia
Posts: 5309
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:39 am UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby sardia » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:39 pm UTC

Mambrino wrote:And for some weird reason they recommend me to use toothbrush twice a day with fluorine toothpaste, not eat stuff that's bad for teeth, and give other advice that is bad for their business if patients do as told.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... P-gOoMu4CA
Dentists are biased, just like any other profession.

User avatar
Zohar
COMMANDER PORN
Posts: 6947
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:45 pm UTC
Location: NY

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Zohar » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:51 pm UTC

Which is even more proof this new technology won't bankrupt them...
Mighty Jalapeno: "See, Zohar agrees, and he's nice to people."
SecondTalon: "Still better looking than Jesus."

Sheikh al-Majaneen
Posts: 1029
Joined: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:17 am UTC
Location: couldn't even find coffee in copenhagen

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Sheikh al-Majaneen » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:00 am UTC

The question isn't whether dentists will do it, it's whether a company like GSK will hold the license to manufacture and distribute the medicine in the US and proceed not to do either because it might be better for their profits that way. From what I've read, it's not exactly unprecedented.

But also I might be full of shit here.

User avatar
Zohar
COMMANDER PORN
Posts: 6947
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:45 pm UTC
Location: NY

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Zohar » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:56 pm UTC

I wonder how often (if at all) in US healthcare companies are like "We're not going to provide this thing because it's not profitable to us" and then the rest of the world starts doing thing and the US company is "all right fiiiiiiine"
Mighty Jalapeno: "See, Zohar agrees, and he's nice to people."
SecondTalon: "Still better looking than Jesus."

speising
Posts: 1838
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:54 pm UTC
Location: wien

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby speising » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:38 pm UTC

I can see this being more expensive (read more lucrative) than cheap fillings.

elasto
Posts: 2913
Joined: Mon May 10, 2010 1:53 am UTC

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby elasto » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:27 pm UTC

Wow. Now this really makes me feel like I'm living in the future:

The European parliament has urged the drafting of a set of regulations to govern the use and creation of robots and artificial intelligence, including a form of “electronic personhood” to ensure rights and responsibilities for the most capable AI.

“A growing number of areas of our daily lives are increasingly affected by robotics,” said the report’s author, Luxembourgish MEP Mady Delvaux. “In order to address this reality and to ensure that robots are and will remain in the service of humans, we urgently need to create a robust European legal framework”.

The proposed legal status for robots would be analogous to corporate personhood, which allows firms to take part in legal cases both as the plaintiff and respondent. “It is similar to what we now have for companies, but it is not for tomorrow,” said Delvaux. “What we need now is to create a legal framework for the robots that are currently on the market or will become available over the next 10 to 15 years.”
Ashley Morgan, of international legal practice Osborne Clarke, says that the proposals will be “extremely controversial.”

“One could argue that, effectively, a law of the nature proposed in this resolution would grant human rights to robots. That’s not going to go down easy with companies that are creating robots and AIs,” he told the Guardian.

“If I create a robot, and that robot creates something that could be patented, should I own that patent or should the robot? If I sell the robot, should the intellectual property it has developed go with it? These are not easy questions to answer, and that goes right to the heart of this debate,”


The report also addresses the risk that overly competitive robots could result in large-scale unemployment, and calls for the serious examination of a general basic income as one possible solution.

link

User avatar
Zohar
COMMANDER PORN
Posts: 6947
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:45 pm UTC
Location: NY

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Zohar » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:27 pm UTC

I don't get why there's such an emphasis sometimes on robots as persons and not AI. I know a lot of people talk about AI, but sometimes some place choose to concentrate just on robots. It's very strange.
Mighty Jalapeno: "See, Zohar agrees, and he's nice to people."
SecondTalon: "Still better looking than Jesus."


Return to “News & Articles”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Dauric, Grop and 10 guests