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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby morriswalters » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:17 am UTC

An interesting question comes to mind. Could we operate anywhere near this level if we didn't have smart machines? Could we keep the system going without this technology?

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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby ucim » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:23 am UTC

morriswalters wrote:An interesting question comes to mind. Could we operate anywhere near this level if we didn't have smart machines? Could we keep the system going without this technology?
What is "this level"? If you are talking about present-day, then no. Imagine google or facebook without "smart machines". The sword has two very sharp edges, no doubt. But we are already dependent on smart machines.

Related question: If {country A} backed out, forsaking further development of smart machines, and {country B} did not, what would the political landscape look like?

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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby morriswalters » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:42 am UTC

ucim wrote:What is "this level"?
Supporting about 7 billion in population.
ucim wrote:Related question: If {country A} backed out, forsaking further development of smart machines, and {country B} did not, what would the political landscape look like?
I'm tempted to answer, what do the Amish look like in their quaint buggies? But in reality I have no idea. I suppose you could look at China turning away from the world when they gave up the oceans.

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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby KnightExemplar » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:07 am UTC

@ ucim, the thread has moved on. But I think you misattributed my words to commodorejohn. Just an FYI.

Beyond that, the main issue with "strong" AI is that as soon as a computer accomplishes a "strong AI" task, people slowly think its no longer an intelligent task. That is, the definition of "Strong AI" changes with the times and with our expectations of computers.

There was a time when winning at Chess was all you needed to prove intelligence. There was a time when intelligence was about searching through tends of thousands of documents, remembering what was in each and picking out the relevant info (and damn, Google is free now!). I almost assure you that we will never get "strong" AI because as soon as "Strong AI" is invented, people will realize that "Oh, but Computers can do that. So it really wasn't a test of intelligence".

Overall, AI and algorithms will improve dramatically in the coming years, and accomplish new goals and tasks that used to be the realm of humans. That I can agree on.
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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby ucim » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:26 am UTC

morriswalters wrote:Supporting about 7 billion in population.
No, we can't do that without current tech. And we can't do current tech without our smart machines. But 7 billion people is too many. It's a cancer. It overwhelms the rest of the biome. Overpopulation is one of the problems we'll be handing to the AIs to solve. We won't like the solution, so we'll hand them the power to enforce it. 90% of us won't like the result.

KnightExemplar wrote:@ ucim, the thread has moved on. But I think you misattributed my words to commodorejohn. Just an FYI.
Fixed. Sorry about that.

Anyway, I've said my piece; I'll let it drop. But first, I'll recommend the movie Rabbit Proof Fence.

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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Yakk » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:24 pm UTC

The future:

We have a drug that is actually in human use that seems to make you immune to HIV infection via sexual acts.

We have removed below detection HIV in human/rat hybrid models by editing the DNA of the immune cells in-place and removing the HIV virus genes. The technique seems to generalize to ... most viruses. This could be penicillin big.

A microbe that seems to eat hard radiation was found in south africa.

Humans can outrun T.Rex's.

Hubble just proved Einstien wrong; it carefully measured the mass of a white dwarf using gravitational lensing. It matches Einstien's math and our model of white dwarf radius/mass perfectly. Einstien wrote in his paper that his prediction would probably never be practically tested, because he didn't expect super space telescopes.

We have close in weather movies of Jupiter.

Life-after death; biological processes (and not just bacteria) continue after a vertibrate is dead. They are being mapped out to better understand death itself, including gene expressions. This may improve transplant and forensic technology.
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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Zohar » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:46 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:Humans can outrun T.Rex's.

I'll believe it when we finally clone T-Rex and start making the Olympics a lot more exciting.
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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby karhell » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:17 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
Yakk wrote:Humans can outrun T.Rex's.

I'll believe it when we finally clone T-Rex and start making the Olympics a lot more exciting.
That might actually get me to watch the olympics X)

Yakk wrote:We have removed below detection HIV in human/rat hybrid models by editing the DNA of the immune cells in-place and removing the HIV virus genes. The technique seems to generalize to ... most viruses. This could be penicillin big.
If this does turn out to generalise to most viruses, it's pretty big indeed. Mind you, even if it doesn't, just removing HIV to that level is a pretty damn impressive achievement.
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Postby orthogon » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:00 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:Einstien

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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby simplydt » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:39 am UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:
sardia wrote:Wait, don't you think we could get human level intelligence from a computer in less than 10 years?


I'm a bit confused by this question. Clearly, we have super-human AIs in Chess, Go, and Poker.


Really depends on what you define as intelligence. I'd say we have super-human well-defined problem solvers..., even machine learning kind of seems like "fake" intelligence.
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Postby SecondTalon » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:58 pm UTC

Y'all have three options.

A. Tell me where the AI talk started and I'll split the stuff out from there and you guys can enjoy your own thread.

B. Just stop chattering about it here and find one of the other AI threads in NA (or SB or Computer Science) and pick it up there.

C. Keep talking about it here and I'll amuse myself by changing AI to something more relevant to my personal life. Because I own a goat.
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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby mfb » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:46 pm UTC

Splitting will be challenging.
This post looks like the start of the recent discussion, but the following page has many rocket-related posts and some mixed posts before we got nearly 100% Starcraft and Chess bots and finally AI in general.


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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Yakk » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:28 pm UTC

The Future: The long peace has lasted for 70 years. 70 years since the last great powers hot war ended, when we became death destroyer of worlds.

Only the elders remember when we lacked the technology to destroy the human race. The peace has been long lasting, with proxy wars abounding, but no hot shooting war of conquest between great powers has occurred in almost 3/4 of a century.

This experment -- can humankind change? Can empires change? -- is one that can only end in the destruction of humanity. It either goes on forever, never proving itself, or it ends in extinction.

War. War never changes. Geopolitics looks different than it has since the dawn of recorded history.

Russian intelligence agencies create fake facebook accounts and friend enemy soldiers with sexy pictures, then feed them propoganda through social media. This is now part of what war looks like.
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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby sociotard » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:19 pm UTC

San Francisco Giants players are using electric zaps to improve brain performance during play. And you thought you'd never see cyberware enhancements in sports.
http://fortune.com/2017/03/29/san-franc ... eadphones/

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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Thesh » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:23 pm UTC

Sounds like ol' fashioned snakeoil to me, but I can't view the site.
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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby SDK » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:29 pm UTC

Relevant bits.

Forbes wrote:The San Francisco Giants may be wearing headphones while they train, but they're not listening to music. They are getting their brains "stimulated" to improve their batting, pitching, and catching.

The headphones are a new tool used by the Giants in hopes of enhancing player performance across the board. The team's deal with the device's maker, Halo Neuroscicnce, is the first public pact with a Major Baseball League team and a sign of how sci-fi technology is making inroads into pro sports.
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The theory is that low-level electric pulses, known as transcranial direct current stimulation, from the headphones stimulate a part of the brain known as the motor cortex... The goal is to help athletes hone their "muscle memory" so they react more quickly, seemingly without thought, to a pitched or batted ball, or a runner leaving base.
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The Giants actually started testing the Halo Sport headgear at last year's spring training with half the team using the gear, half not. Afterwards, they crunched numbers and found that the half that used headgear showed significant performance improvement over the control group across nine standard performance metrics, according to a Halo spokeswoman. Most important, they showed significant improvement in speed, across the board as measured by how fast the player moved the bat or ran the bases as well as in fine motor skills: which encompass how they grip the bat or ball.
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There has been peer-reviewed research on transcranial direct current stimulation, and Halo has submitted its own research which has yet to be published.


Interesting, though the training wasn't double blind (should have had everyone wear headphones, but only keep half of them working). It's possible we're just seeing a placebo effect, but it sounds cool. Seems odd that an external pulse could help to setup a new neural pathway though. It's the repetition that sets up that "muscle memory", each time reinforcing that connection, and I'm not sure why zapping that general area of the brain would help make that process faster on an individual connection level.
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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby ObsessoMom » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:06 pm UTC

Anybody else thinking of the game that rewards players by electronically stimulating their pleasure centers in that horrible Star Trek TNG episode?

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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Thesh » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:10 pm UTC

Is there a single sport or game in the future that doesn't lead to a bad episode of Star Trek?
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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:29 pm UTC

Tribble Bowling?

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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Chen » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:32 am UTC

Thesh wrote:Is there a single sport or game in the future that doesn't lead to a bad episode of Star Trek?


The baseball DS9 episode was a great one.

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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:08 pm UTC

Just need some ED209s (and a ban on soft surfaces) and they're laughing...

(Until something goes wrong, invoking Murphy's law...)

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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby pogrmman » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:29 pm UTC

Chen wrote:
Thesh wrote:Is there a single sport or game in the future that doesn't lead to a bad episode of Star Trek?


The baseball DS9 episode was a great one.


But you also have the allamaraine! episode to counter that...

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Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Postby Chen » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:02 pm UTC

pogrmman wrote:But you also have the allamaraine! episode to counter that...


Well yeah that was awful, but my point was just that not all sports episodes were bad.


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