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avronius wrote:I would think that having a single "adult" sticker (advertising that you don't live with a second adult) would only increase your risk of falling victim to an attack (home invasion or otherwise). No?
thevicente wrote:These family decals contain info about the size of the family and genders and age range of family members, other stickers tell which schools and universities are attended by them (since some are more expensive than others, this not only gives the person's weekly whereabouts but also translates to wealth), etc. and the car itself is also a measure of wealth.
Title: “My decal set has no adults, just a sea of hundreds of the little girl figures closing in around a single cat.”
I would think that having a single "adult" sticker (advertising that you don't live with a second adult) would only increase your risk of falling victim to an attack (home invasion or otherwise). No?
scarletmanuka wrote:Also, re the title text: "You're a kitty!"
jpk wrote:Meng Bomin wrote:...
Anyone who is moved by that sort of thinking to have children is the sort of person who shoud be prevented from having children at all costs.
(by the way, you do realize that of the groups you've listed only the Hasidic Jews are even potentially an ethnic group, right?)
drazen wrote:I would think that having a single "adult" sticker (advertising that you don't live with a second adult) would only increase your risk of falling victim to an attack (home invasion or otherwise). No?
I was being sarcastic about that, since I think the fora have lots of single people who live alone. Or you could just put a gun next to it, that could be adeterrentinvitation.
djlowballer wrote:jpk wrote:Meng Bomin wrote: The van the right is the reason that the Mormons, Amish, Hasidic Jews, and conservative Catholics will inherit America [with some other ethnic groups thrown in].
Anyone who is moved by that sort of thinking to have children is the sort of person who should be prevented from having children at all costs.
(by the way, you do realize that of the groups you've listed only the Hasidic Jews are even potentially an ethnic group, right?)
The people who place a high value on family should be prevented from having children? So children should be left to accidental teen moms and young adults too lazy to spring for a rubber? I don't know if that will work out
NeverendingDream wrote:Now I'm surprised I've never seen Calvin pissing on a stick-figure family
chrth wrote:rcox1 wrote:Yet the assumption is that a man, a woman, and kids is the only acceptable situation, and by putting a sticker depicting this one is asserting that status quo.
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It's others who - usually guided by their own insecurities and/or egos - assert any meaning beyond what the originator intended. To give a simplistic example: I put a Packers SB XLV sticker on my car to celebrate their victory; I did not put it on my car to harass fans of the Steelers for their loss. However, I am sure there are Steelers fans who see that sticker and get upset and probably think I did it to annoy them.
Yes, it's a little egotistical to think that anyone cares you have a family or an honor student. But I don't believe the large majority are doing it to brag or be arrogant or to think they're better than the guy driving behind them. They're expressing a source of happiness or loyalty in their life, and that is all.
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Of course, you then have the "responses", like the Darwin fish* or the "My Kid Can Beat Up Your Honor Student" or even this cartoon. In this case the motivation likelihood has been flipped; yes, there are probably a few who genuinely care enough about evolution to declare it on their fender and I'm sure a couple people with the "My Kid can beat up..." just thought it was funny...
cujomcfly wrote:I had to join the forums to share this with you all. I saw this decal in the parking lot of a business i used to work at.
First post, so i can't post the pic, but here is the link.
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/cu ... 140245.jpg
rcox1 wrote:The 'other' is certainly the issue here. All of us have basic insecurities and one of the basic insecurities of a certain group of people is that the family is under attack. Suggesting that the purpose of these stickers is anything other that creating an 'other' non-family group is to deny the real and present state of politics in the US.
In this sense responses is to create a competing group so that those not in the original group do not feel so much like others. This is insecurity only in the sense that one is often less secure outside of a group of comparable size to other groups. In fact game theory suggested this reality many years ago. It simulations, tit for tat was suggested as the most profitable role of play between equal parties. Basically, you don't cheat anyone, but if someone cheats you, then you send them to Coventry for a few rounds, but attempt to deal with them eventually. The exception to this is if there is an identifiable small group of players, in which case the best strategy for the larger group is to cheat them relentlessly. We see examples of this with Jews in Nazi Germany, Blacks in America after reconstruction, and Muslims in America now.
This is why such family stickers can either be construed as the attempt of an insecure small group to build power, or a already powerful group trying to build enough power to oppress those different from themselves. As I mentioned, the reality is probably the later, as for some reason families feel under pressure right now, even though they are given disproportionate levels of resources. School alone requires many thousands of dollars per year, not to mention the child tax credit above and beyond other write offs. It leads me to believe that families do not believe they have any personal responsibility for the children they brought into the world.
A couple funny things on the last point. The fish, as a Christian symbol, was most certainly an attempt to solidify a small but growing community. It used existing imagery. Many so-called pagan religions use the fish symbol. The yin-yang symbols is often considered to be two fishes. The fish symbol was, in effect, borrowed by christianity to respond to the predominate culture, which was not christian.
The bumper sticker about the honor student always made me laugh. When I was in school, essentially spending my time as an honor student though entry to college, my friends and I were geeks in rough neighborhoods. My high school was in a area riddled with drug houses. My bus got shot at. One was sure get jumpped more than once growing up. One did not survive if one was not tough. And we beat other schools in academic competition, as well as could have beat them in physical combat if that was our way, which it wasn't.
On a serious side, it does represent the difference between the family sticker, and, say a college sticker. While is does take an effort to find a mate, at least perhaps more than to have sex and produce a child, it is not something that is unusual. OTOH, being an honor students getting into college, and graduating is still an unusual situation, at lest in the US. So while the only response to a indication that one has graduated from college to also indicate that one has graduated from a college, I find it funny that the response to any honor student sticker is to claim that one can beat up the honors student. As if these two things are equal. This may be a real sense of insecurity, as if one's child is not inherently smart and you as parents do not know how to navigate the school system, then there could be long term competitive disadvantage in the sense of potential wealth accumulation.
But still the I would say that a family sticker, and dink sticker with gobs of cash, is not the case of the honor student sticker. It is more of a statement of an alternative lifestyle, and people who have problems with one of the two stickers probably are people who do not see one state as naturally and inherently preferable to the other.
The yin-yang symbols is often considered to be two fishes. The fish symbol was, in effect, borrowed by christianity to respond to the predominate culture, which was not christian.
cream wobbly wrote:chrth wrote:*Before anyone tries to accuse me of being religious, I'm very pro-Darwin, existential, and a skeptical agnostic. My issue is with the motivation behind the Darwin fish (and the Flying Spaghetti Monster), not the intrinsic ideas. I also had a problem with the Jesus Fish eating the Darwin Fish, as that just didn't make sense.
My problem with the Jesus fish is that these people are identifying with persecuted Roman Christians, often while persecuting others for their life choices.
KrytenKoro wrote:Because raising children is so much easier than answering questions correctly on tests, right?
jpk wrote:No, I've never seen them before either. And I get a lot of chances to examine the backs of people's cars... like when they pull into the bike lane and suddenly stop, or pull out of a parking space oblivious to the oncoming traffic (ie, me) or pull similar stunts, or - my favorite - stop in the middle of a block to talk to someone headed the other way, who's stopped for a red light. Never mind that there's traffic behind them...
Boston, I love you but you suck some times. Like, when I'm on the way home from work and someone's giving out stupid pills to anyone who's got a driver's license.
The only thing that pisses me off now are the asshole bikers who ride in the street yet ignore most traffic laws (some laws are actually different for bikers, but most apply to motorcycles as well so no complaints with those) - jumping across intersections on red lights, hopping back and forth on the sidewalk when convenient, etc. Pay the drivers around you a little respect, please, as I'm sure you'd like the drivers around you to do the same.
advertising the presence of a handgun is just asking for someone to come in and [strike]try to find it[/strike] get shot when they think you're not [strike]in[/strike] but turn out to be home after all,
Turing Machine wrote:cream wobbly wrote:My problem with the Jesus fish is that these people are identifying with persecuted Roman Christians, often while persecuting others for their life choices.
[citation needed]
KrytenKoro wrote:Because raising children is so much easier than answering questions correctly on tests, right?
Please. Families feel under pressure today because they've felt under pressure, always. Childless couples may not get a whole ton of financial support, but...the simple fact is that they largely don't need the help, and are contributing less to society than equivalent couples with children.
And as to college -- having gone through college as an honors student getting a difficult degree, and also just helping to raise my younger siblings...I can definitely say that raising the children was a much more difficult and terrifying task. College doesn't last forever, for one.
Putting a university sticker or family sticker on your car is not saying "F*ck you if you're not like me." It is quite blatantly saying "I appreciate these things" or "I'm happy to be me." It may not be witty, but neither is it malicious. The fish as a Christian symbol is also not malicious, neither now nor in the past. It is a symbol of "This is what I belong to, I am grateful."
Now, if there were family decals like the ones mentioned, with two mothers orfathers for example, or a "belief symbol" like the atom for atheists, or the hexagram for jewish, those would also be simply statements of belonging, not malice. However, clear parody ones like the "I don't have a family, I still have my money hahaha" or "This is Calvin pissing on your fish who may or may not have legs", etc., are clearly malicious.
cephalopod9 wrote:Only on Xkcd can you start a topic involving Hitler and people spend the better part of half a dozen pages arguing about the quality of Operating Systems.
No, I've never seen them before either. And I get a lot of chances to examine the backs of people's cars... like when they pull into the bike lane and suddenly stop, or pull out of a parking space oblivious to the oncoming traffic (ie, me) or pull similar stunts, or - my favorite - stop in the middle of a block to talk to someone headed the other way, who's stopped for a red light. Never mind that there's traffic behind them...
Boston, I love you but you suck some times. Like, when I'm on the way home from work and someone's giving out stupid pills to anyone who's got a driver's license.
Cactuar wrote:It's not at all comparable to a 'Calvin pissing on [insert fish here]' bumper sticker.
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