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Sp3ctre18 wrote:look at all the sheep discussing politics, taxes, and political systems again, never stopping to think!
to make a quick comment, I point out that the people in the comic are not doing much thinking either, simply making assumptions and judgments for their own egocentric desires. As the irony of the comic points out, they are still sheep. Still unevolved, primitive animals, going about their lives out of instinct and emotion and not any free will.
not sure why I felt that was worth posting, because it probably wasn't, but oh well. *scurries back into his hole*
Sp3ctre18 wrote:look at all the sheep discussing politics, taxes, and political systems again, never stopping to think!
to make a quick comment, I point out that the people in the comic are not doing much thinking either, simply making assumptions and judgments for their own egocentric desires. As the irony of the comic points out, they are still sheep. Still unevolved, primitive animals, going about their lives out of instinct and emotion and not any free will.
not sure why I felt that was worth posting, because it probably wasn't, but oh well. *scurries back into his hole*
Manticorehunter wrote:Most people in my school think like that. As I sometimes tell people, "There are two types of people in this world: sheeple, and sheeple in denial." Most of my friends don't understand my reasoning, believing that the fact that you are aware that you are part of a brainless mass makes you better than the rest of the group, even if everyone else has realized the same thing. Maybe I ought to read some Ayn Rand.
scwizard wrote:I know some folks who accuse me of being a sheep because I believe that Islamic extremists perpetrated the September 11th attacks.
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Eikinkloster wrote:Manticorehunter wrote:Most people in my school think like that. As I sometimes tell people, "There are two types of people in this world: sheeple, and sheeple in denial." Most of my friends don't understand my reasoning, believing that the fact that you are aware that you are part of a brainless mass makes you better than the rest of the group, even if everyone else has realized the same thing. Maybe I ought to read some Ayn Rand.
Some might have not understood... some might have understood it for the flawed reasoning it is.
That's generally true whenever people disagree with us. It's either that they didn't get it... or that we ourselves didn't get it.
The truth in the matter of the sheeple is painfully more simple: There is indeed a "brainless mass"... who either can't see where we're going or just don't care... and there is also a brain mass... maneuvering us there.
But of course in Basically Decent times it is ugly to recognize there *are* people who are "better than the rest of the group". "Hitler, you know, thought that way". And there you go, in a perpetual state of self lobotomy. When you are part of the tiny minority that actually gives a damn about it to start with.
addams wrote:There is the matching truth; Exceptional people tend to think that they are common.
Eikinkloster wrote:addams wrote:There is the matching truth; Exceptional people tend to think that they are common.
No they don't.
They just say it so that common man can relate to them.
They know damn well they aren't common.
Pfhorrest wrote:There is something to what addams said, though he may not be precise. People with competence in an area are better able to judge their own flaws and so tend to be highly critical of their own competence, while people with low competence in an area have no idea what competence is and naively assume they have it in abundance.
markfiend wrote:Pfhorrest wrote:There is something to what addams said, though he may not be precise. People with competence in an area are better able to judge their own flaws and so tend to be highly critical of their own competence, while people with low competence in an area have no idea what competence is and naively assume they have it in abundance.
This phenomenon has a name: the Dunning-Kruger effect.
"The wise man knows that he knows almost nothing, the fool thinks he knows everything."
markfiend wrote:Pfhorrest wrote:There is something to what addams said, though he may not be precise. People with competence in an area are better able to judge their own flaws and so tend to be highly critical of their own competence, while people with low competence in an area have no idea what competence is and naively assume they have it in abundance.
This phenomenon has a name: the Dunning-Kruger effect.
I suspect we find this sort of explanation compelling because it appeals to our implicit just-world theories: we’d like to believe that people who obnoxiously proclaim their excellence at X, Y, and Z must really not be so very good at X, Y, and Z at all, and must be (over)compensating for some actual deficiency; it’s much less pleasant to imagine that people who go around shoving their (alleged) superiority in our faces might really be better than us at what they do.
Unfortunately, Kruger and Dunning never actually provided any support for this type of just-world view; their studies categorically didn’t show that incompetent people are more confident or arrogant than competent people. What they did show is this:
So the bias is definitively not that incompetent people think they’re better than competent people. Rather, it’s that incompetent people think they’re much better than they actually are. But they typically still don’t think they’re quite as good as people who, you know, actually are good.
http://www.talyarkoni.org/blog/2010/07/ ... -and-isnt/
picnic_crossfire wrote:The previous post was brought to you by IronyTM.
The song's usage of the word "ironic" attracted attention by media for an improper application of the term, and, in fact, the song gives an "unironic" sense.According to the Oxford English Dictionary "irony" is "a figure of speech in which the intended meaning is the opposite of that expressed by the words used". Thus, lyrics such as "It's like rain on your wedding day" and "A traffic jam when you're already late" are not ironic, but they fall into a "cosmic irony"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironic_%28song%29#Linguistic_usage_disputes
Plasma Mongoose wrote:markfiend wrote:Pfhorrest wrote:There is something to what addams said, though he may not be precise. People with competence in an area are better able to judge their own flaws and so tend to be highly critical of their own competence, while people with low competence in an area have no idea what competence is and naively assume they have it in abundance.
This phenomenon has a name: the Dunning-Kruger effect.
This reminds me of this quote:"The wise man knows that he knows almost nothing, the fool thinks he knows everything."
Sean Quixote wrote:So I have a question: What is the singular form of the word "sheeple"?
Pfhorrest wrote:Sean Quixote wrote:So I have a question: What is the singular form of the word "sheeple"?
Sherpson?
Manticorehunter wrote:Most people in my school think like that. As I sometimes tell people, "There are two types of people in this world: sheeple, and sheeple in denial." Most of my friends don't understand my reasoning, believing that the fact that you are aware that you are part of a brainless mass makes you better than the rest of the group, even if everyone else has realized the same thing. Maybe I ought to read some Ayn Rand.
