1890: "What to Bring"

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby MrT2 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:32 am UTC

rmsgrey wrote:If one person has a knife and another a gun, presumably whether it's a gun fight or a knife fight is a question of the range of the encounter?

Unless you're a pro target shooter, effective handgun range is not that far off knife throwing range, see Starship Troopers.

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Scilly_Guy » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:13 am UTC

Am I the only one who immediately thought of a hurricane column and an umbrella row, both of which are all red. Perhaps its too soon?

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Sableagle » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:55 am UTC

cellocgw wrote:Waiting impatiently for the artists out there to add row/column entries for

-- light saber
-- velociraptor
-- sharks with frickin lasers

-- an Australian, for whom you should bring XXXX.
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby fluffysheap » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:43 pm UTC

richP wrote:It's not like you get to review a fighter's resume before a bar fight (or get a cut scene showing his strengths/weaknesses before the battle).

Wouldn't any knife fight end up being a cut scene?

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby clockworkbookreader » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:43 pm UTC

Was anyone else disconcerted by the use of color?

My first thought was "Whoa! Randall's getting all wild and crazy with palette choices here!"
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby gmalivuk » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:40 pm UTC

azule wrote:
gmalivuk wrote:Image

I always figured you should never bring a gun to a gun fight because then you'll be part of a gun fight.

The now-nameless OP wrote:Just wanted to say the images were cute. And, the lid could act as a shield at a knife fight. So, change that to green, please.

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby rmsgrey » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:30 pm UTC

MrT2 wrote:
rmsgrey wrote:If one person has a knife and another a gun, presumably whether it's a gun fight or a knife fight is a question of the range of the encounter?

Unless you're a pro target shooter, effective handgun range is not that far off knife throwing range, see Starship Troopers.


Most people can carry more bullets than knives...

And, unless you're a pro, throwing a knife effectively is a lot harder than firing a gun effectively.

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Flumble » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:21 pm UTC

He did mention Starship Troopers in the same sentence. (unfortunately I remember very little of that film(s), so I can't tell whether it's a reference or a general sentiment)


clockworkbookreader wrote:Was anyone else disconcerted by the use of color?

I wasn't, really. We've seen colours before, like in most poster-format comics or more recently the state word map.
I'd be disconcerted if it hadn't had squiggly lines and stick figures.

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby ericgrau » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:26 pm UTC

MDS_Dan wrote:See, it's never specified how much water you can bring. If you bring enough water, you win every time

The same is true if you bring enough gun.

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Thesh » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:54 pm UTC

ericgrau wrote:
MDS_Dan wrote:See, it's never specified how much water you can bring. If you bring enough water, you win every time

The same is true if you bring enough gun.

https://dcassetcdn.com/w1k/submissions/557500/557524_8e86.jpg



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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby omgryebread » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:55 pm UTC

As anyone who's played PUBG should know, it's a pan you want to bring to a gun fight, not a lid.
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Heimhenge » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:35 am UTC

ericgrau wrote:
MDS_Dan wrote:See, it's never specified how much water you can bring. If you bring enough water, you win every time

The same is true if you bring enough gun.

https://dcassetcdn.com/w1k/submissions/557500/557524_8e86.jpg


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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Sableagle » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:56 am UTC

The Scorpions sang: "If someone wants to cut you down to size, you never argue with a loaded .45," but you can if you're half a mile away with a loaded .338 LM, can't you? Likewise, "You can't argue with a shotgun" applies even to the guy with the pistol but not to the one in an APC with a belt-fed turret-gun. A 4-inch naval gun beats any of them (seriously, a 4.0 calibre!) but you wouldn't want to use it here. That one's a job for a friend with a shotgun off to your right: 12-bore #4 buckshot and aim for his thumb.

What if the fight is over water?

Not the Battle of Midway. I mean two villages / extended families fighting over access to a 1 l/min trickle of water. If your style of "bringing water to" a fight is to build a 10 l/s water main out to them, I could call that the ultimate weapon: both sides stopped fighting, both sides now love you, zero casualties. It's like getting everyone as allies with "locked teams" off and "allied victory" on then building a Wonder of the World in Age of Conquerors: everyone wins!

My brother would disagree. He doesn't call that a win, because if you do that you haven't beaten anyone. We have different approaches to games, he and I. I tried to get "Bridge over trebled water" for one player at a time and found out it's all or none so tried again and again until we got the whole group onto the chopper in time. He got it by running ahead, sniping his team-mates and leaving all alone. His one complaint about Kerbal Space Program was that it wouldn't let him invade new players' game worlds and blow up their space centres. He is not named in my will.

Another missing line and column: pillow, pillow-fight. I'd quite like to bring Kat from Sequential Art to a pillow-fight ...

... or a garden party ... or an open-air opera ... or a friend's wedding ... or a ski resort ...

Should you bring skis to a knife fight? They're not really meant for fighting but they've got reach.

Don't bring a bouquet of flowers to a gunfight.

Bringing the BFG to a ski resort: also not recommended.
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby peregrine_crow » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:49 am UTC

karhell wrote:
herbstschweigen wrote:Sploshing water on your opponent in a knife/gun fight might at least irritate or distract them for a precious second and give you the opportunity to run away. So maybe not green but yellow on those two.

You could also swing the full bucket and use that as a weapon. Might even be more efficient. Just staying away from the blade/bullets while doing so could be a little difficult.

And nobody said the water had to be in a liquid state.

In that case I guess there is also no requirement for the lid to be in a solid state. Splashing liquid steel on someone should pretty effectively put them out of the fight :P
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby orthogon » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:47 pm UTC

peregrine_crow wrote:
karhell wrote:
herbstschweigen wrote:Sploshing water on your opponent in a knife/gun fight might at least irritate or distract them for a precious second and give you the opportunity to run away. So maybe not green but yellow on those two.

You could also swing the full bucket and use that as a weapon. Might even be more efficient. Just staying away from the blade/bullets while doing so could be a little difficult.

And nobody said the water had to be in a liquid state.

In that case I guess there is also no requirement for the lid to be in a solid state. Splashing liquid steel on someone should pretty effectively put them out of the fight :P

I don't think it would be a lid, in form, function or any other reasonable understanding of the word.
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby wumpus » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:58 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:What if the fight is over water?

Not the Battle of Midway. I mean two villages / extended families fighting over access to a 1 l/min trickle of water. If your style of "bringing water to" a fight is to build a 10 l/s water main out to them, I could call that the ultimate weapon: both sides stopped fighting, both sides now love you, zero casualties. It's like getting everyone as allies with "locked teams" off and "allied victory" on then building a Wonder of the World in Age of Conquerors: everyone wins!


I suspect one of the reasons that Egypt made peace with Israel was the construction of the Aswan High Dam. Once that filled with water, Egypt could be simply destroyed with by busting the dam, with far more devastation than any nuke could provide (Egypt is basically Nile flood plain and desert). In the Old Religion, souls had to swear they "had never dammed the Nile" before anyone would bother to judge them: the dangers to Egypt have been obvious forever (although I suspect the idea was based around hording the gods' gift all yourself).

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:16 pm UTC

I think the lid is just too small for the wood fire. A lid that's larger than the wood fire should work.

I think in all cases the thing to bring is a freeze gun.

MDS_Dan wrote:See, it's never specified how much water you can bring. If you bring enough water, you win every time
The water's temperature is also not specified, just below boiling seems good for a knife fight.
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby azule » Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:13 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
azule wrote:
gmalivuk wrote:Image

I always figured you should never bring a gun to a gun fight because then you'll be part of a gun fight.

The now-nameless OP wrote:Just wanted to say the images were cute. And, the lid could act as a shield at a knife fight. So, change that to green, please.

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:41 pm UTC

azule wrote:
gmalivuk wrote:
azule wrote:
gmalivuk wrote:Image

I always figured you should never bring a gun to a gun fight because then you'll be part of a gun fight.

The now-nameless OP wrote:Just wanted to say the images were cute. And, the lid could act as a shield at a knife fight. So, change that to green, please.

Why am I nameless and why am I not OP anymore? I guess I'm not wanted here. :x
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You didn't link to the comic. It's not a difficult thing to do, and the title of the stickied post specifically mentions the link so you wouldn't have even had to click and read the thread to know you should include that.

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Sableagle » Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:44 pm UTC

What happens if you bring an oil fire to a water fight?
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby HES » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:50 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:What happens if you bring an oil fire to a water fight?

You win.
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby svenman » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:54 am UTC

HES wrote:
Sableagle wrote:What happens if you bring an oil fire to a water fight?

You win.

You'll win the fight, maybe, but you'll lose your playmates - their parents are going to see to that even if they aren't too badly injured...
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby strake » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:32 pm UTC

It would be effective to bring water to a gun fight if they are using black powder.

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Mikeski » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:52 pm UTC

strake wrote:It would be effective to bring water to a gun fight if they are using black powder.

One shot with an inaccurate weapon at melee range is likely to miss, anyway.

Either way, "bring water to a black-powder gunfight" reduces to a knife fight. Or maybe a "bucket, used as club" vs. "pistol, used as club" fight.

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby orthogon » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:39 am UTC

My A-level chemistry teacher demonstrated the effect of water on an oil fire in the school lab once. Apparently the lab was going to be redecorated or rebuilt or something. He had a really long set of tongs with which he held a small test tube full of water. The resulting flame was spectacular and blackened the ceiling. That was circa 1990. I very much doubt he could have done that these days and kept his job, but perhaps education isn't quite as joyless now as I've been led to believe?
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby rmsgrey » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:09 am UTC

orthogon wrote:My A-level chemistry teacher demonstrated the effect of water on an oil fire in the school lab once. Apparently the lab was going to be redecorated or rebuilt or something. He had a really long set of tongs with which he held a small test tube full of water. The resulting flame was spectacular and blackened the ceiling. That was circa 1990. I very much doubt he could have done that these days and kept his job, but perhaps education isn't quite as joyless now as I've been led to believe?


You need a risk assessment to have been done, but, provided the paperwork's in order, he'd have been fine.

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Sableagle » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:23 pm UTC

I note that there is neither row nor column for "a rampaging horde of European badgers." Is this omission intentional?
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:53 pm UTC

It is if, I suspect, Randall is in the pay of Big Badger. There's very little evidence for the Deep Sett, I know, but only because the Deep Sett controls the media, and why not go so far as to knobble xkcd, amongst others1, making it appear as if a problem that very few people even know about isn't a problem at all!

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby rmsgrey » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:54 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:I note that there is neither row nor column for "a rampaging horde of European badgers." Is this omission intentional?


Have you ever tried to assemble a horde of European badgers, let alone get them to rampage? If you had, you might appreciate the reason of their omission.

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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby Sableagle » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:42 am UTC

It was going quite well until I ran out of peanut butter sandwiches.
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Re: 1890: "What to Bring"

Postby SuicideJunkie » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:44 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:It was going quite well until I ran out of peanut butter sandwiches.
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