1825: "7 Eleven"

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1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby squall_line » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:16 pm UTC

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Title-text: "Really, the only honest 24-hour stores are the ones in places like Arizona and Hawaii (sic), and many of them are still wrong in certain years."

Including as recently as 2016.

I suppose one could change them to "Always open."

My favorite 7-Eleven-related quote is definitely: "We're sorta like 7-Eleven. We're not always doin' business, but we're aaaalways open..."

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby jozwa » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:20 pm UTC

Took me a moment to get the joke. My first instinct was that of course it's closed because no one lives on Mars.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Whizbang » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:22 pm UTC

jozwa wrote:Took me a moment to get the joke. My first instinct was that of course it's closed because no one lives on Mars.


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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby sotanaht » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:30 pm UTC

Meanwhile I always end up at the 24 hour McDonalds while they are "updating their systems", that, or just not even acknowledging the drive thru, no explanation given.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Reka » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:46 pm UTC

Hey, at least it's not Barrayar - there, the 7-Eleven would be closed approximately 2 hours per day.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby somitomi » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:51 pm UTC

Saying "OPEN 24 HOURS" to advertise never closing always seemed weird to me. Such places usually call themselves "non-stop" or "éjjel-nappali" (~"night-and-day") here, which I find much more straighforward. Surely customers don't really care about how long the shop is open, what you really want to tell them is that your shop's gonna be open anytime they show up.
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:52 pm UTC

I'm still waiting for the Sidereal vs. Solar Day flamewar. C'mon, folks!

Trivia: back when I was at Brown U., some blue law didn't allow all-night stores, so we used to refer to the local Store24 as "Store18" .
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Rombobjörn » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:53 pm UTC

Open 24 hours? Shouldn't an honest Seven-Eleven be open 16 hours a day? (Or just four hours?)

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby squall_line » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:11 pm UTC

Rombobjörn wrote:Open 24 hours? Shouldn't an honest Seven-Eleven be open 16 hours a day? (Or just four hours?)


The original 7-Elevens WERE open 16 hours a day.

Depending on how you break out the Seven and Eleven, it could also be open daily from 8 AM to 7 PM (or any other combination of eleven hours a day, using the 7-by-24 version of 24 hours a day, 7 days a week).

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Zinho » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:18 pm UTC

Rombobjörn wrote:Open 24 hours? Shouldn't an honest Seven-Eleven be open 16 hours a day? (Or just four hours?)

Yes, it should. According to their website, that's exactly where the name came from.
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Zylon » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:19 pm UTC

It says "Open 24 Hours", not "Open 24 Hours a Day".

That means the store gets 24 hours total operational time. Then they have to bulldoze it and start a new one.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby keithl » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:26 pm UTC

They need 37 minutes per day to replace all the freeze dried and vacuum dessicated fruits and vegetables.

Oh, wait. 7/11 doesn't have any fruits and vegetables. Maybe they can sell silica gel packs instead. Yum!

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Flumble » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:03 pm UTC

squall_line wrote:Depending on how you break out the Seven and Eleven, it could also be open daily from 8 AM to 7 PM (or any other combination of eleven hours a day, using the 7-by-24 version of 24 hours a day, 7 days a week).

While I have never encountered a 7-eleven (even though they do exist "nearby" in Denmark, Norway, Sweden), I've always thought the 7 was for 7 days per week and the 11 for 11 hours a day.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Whizbang » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:05 pm UTC

7 days a week, 11 weeks a year.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:10 pm UTC

Whizbang wrote:7 days a week, 11 weeks a year.


Or, only opens if you roll a 7 or 11 before crapping out.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Heimhenge » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:12 pm UTC

Zylon wrote:It says "Open 24 Hours", not "Open 24 Hours a Day".

That means the store gets 24 hours total operational time. Then they have to bulldoze it and start a new one.


Reminds me of an old Michael Wright (?) joke where he shows up at some 24/7 convenience store and the door is locked.
He knocks on the door to get the clerk's attention.
Clerk comes to the door and says "We're closed."
Wrights says "But the sign says you're open 24 hours!"
Clerk says "Well sure, but not in a row."

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby HES » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:16 pm UTC

7 hours a day, 11 days a week.

We don't have 7 Elevens round these parts, but all the major supermarket chains have smaller stores that are generally open those hours (square-footage having relevance to Sunday trading laws). With the large 24 hour stores not able to open long hours on a Sunday, this leaves the awkward window between midnight-7am where a British person mustn't run out of milk.
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Apeiron » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:29 pm UTC

"Really, the only honest 24-hour stores are the ones in places like Arizona and Hawaii (sic), and many of them are still wrong in certain years."

"Really, the only honest 24-hour stores are the ones those in places like Arizona and Hawaii (sic), and many of them are still wrong in certain years."

Unless the name of the thing is one (his cake had two ones on it), one should not be plural. Think about it. The plural of ONE. If you have one of something it would be singular. If you have a plural quantity of something, you do not have one of it.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby DavidSh » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:16 pm UTC

Moving past the post that pre-emptively dismissed any responses as "Excuses",...

The 7-11s I have actually checked have all opened at 7am, although that isn't very many of them.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Whizbang » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:22 pm UTC

DavidSh wrote:The 7-11s I have actually checked have all opened at 7am, although that isn't very many of them.


How many of them? Was it 11?

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:58 pm UTC

Always did assume that 7-11s were that (aforementioned) 16-hours-of-opening (earlier than businesses catering for the late hours, later than the businesses catering for the early hours) and then changing to 24-hour opening without a name change...

But what I hate is "24/7/365",as a 'motto' or directive. The latter number should be more like 52, or thereabouts. (Personally, I roll with 52.1775.)

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby flicky1991 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:01 pm UTC

Apeiron wrote:"Really, the only honest 24-hour stores are the ones in places like Arizona and Hawaii (sic), and many of them are still wrong in certain years."

"Really, the only honest 24-hour stores are the ones those in places like Arizona and Hawaii (sic), and many of them are still wrong in certain years."

Unless the name of the thing is one (his cake had two ones on it), one should not be plural. Think about it. The plural of ONE. If you have one of something it would be singular. If you have a plural quantity of something, you do not have one of it.

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Each one is a one. Several ones are ones.

Compare "there are millions of them". Several millions.
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby somitomi » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:11 pm UTC

Heimhenge wrote:
Zylon wrote:It says "Open 24 Hours", not "Open 24 Hours a Day".

That means the store gets 24 hours total operational time. Then they have to bulldoze it and start a new one.


Reminds me of an old Michael Wright (?) joke where he shows up at some 24/7 convenience store and the door is locked.
He knocks on the door to get the clerk's attention.
Clerk comes to the door and says "We're closed."
Wrights says "But the sign says you're open 24 hours!"
Clerk says "Well sure, but not in a row."

[rim shot]

A similar joke I was reminded of:
"Mechanic: Okay, your car will be fixed up by Friday morning.
Customer: But didn't you say it'll be done in 24 hours?
Mechanic: Yeah, 8 hours on Tuesday, 8 hours on Wednesday and 8 hours Thursday..."
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby da Doctah » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:14 pm UTC

I've long felt that "hour" should be defined, on whatever planet you're living on full-time, as 1/24th of a day, and schedules made accordingly.

Mind you, such a position does have its drawbacks. One of Asimov's early stories took place on a planetary moon where the enthusiastic but somewhat dimwitted locals were told about the annual celebration of Christmas and insisted on observing it, with the humans discovering too late that they now expected the full shebang every nine Earth days or whatever the period of that moon around its primary happened to be.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby HES » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:14 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:But what I hate is "24/7/365",as a 'motto' or directive. The latter number should be more like 52, or thereabouts.

Right, or just 24/365
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Whizbang » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:15 pm UTC

flicky1991 wrote:
Apeiron wrote:
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"Really, the only honest 24-hour stores are the ones in places like Arizona and Hawaii (sic), and many of them are still wrong in certain years."

"Really, the only honest 24-hour stores are the ones those in places like Arizona and Hawaii (sic), and many of them are still wrong in certain years."

Unless the name of the thing is one (his cake had two ones on it), one should not be plural. Think about it. The plural of ONE. If you have one of something it would be singular. If you have a plural quantity of something, you do not have one of it.


Excuses in 3... 2... 1....

Each one is a one. Several ones are ones.

Compare "there are millions of them". Several millions.


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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:51 pm UTC

HES wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:But what I hate is "24/7/365",as a 'motto' or directive. The latter number should be more like 52, or thereabouts.

Right, or just 24/365.2425

FTFY

(Noting that figures such as 365.24219 and 365.25636 have astronomical basis, but shops just worry about calendars.)

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:19 pm UTC

HES wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:But what I hate is "24/7/365",as a 'motto' or directive. The latter number should be more like 52, or thereabouts.

Right, or just 24/365


Or 42, since...
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Eutychus » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:45 pm UTC

Is there anywhere in the world with a greater density of 7-11 stores than Bangkok?

Where the name might almost mean "between 7 and 11 outlets per city block".
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby richP » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:57 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:
Whizbang wrote:7 days a week, 11 weeks a year.


Or, only opens if you roll a 7 or 11 before crapping out.

There's a secret way to get in, you just have to solve the inscription which reads 'The Doors of Durin — Lord of Moria. Speak, friend, and enter.'


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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Lothario O'Leary » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:10 pm UTC

Obligatory:
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...I guess they may be working on this version of a day.


Somewhat more on-topic... a few months ago I've actually seen a bunch of people told to walk out of a 24-hour store on 23:40 or so (just after we were lucky enough to finish packing our own groceries) - apparently (or so we were told) because the store's cash registers couldn't handle working across a day change, so they had a technical break from 23:45 to midnight.

I think I told the guys to go to the other 24-hour store next door, which I knew did work across midnight (they did have a technical break, IIRC, but at some more convenient time, like 4am).

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby somitomi » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:17 pm UTC

Lothario O'Leary wrote:Obligatory:
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...I guess they may be working on this version of a day.

Knowing Futurama I'm guessing the sign in the window is related to the couple waiting for the suicide booth...
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby @maniexx » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:10 pm UTC

There's a shop near me, which has a giant 24H on it's side. And on the door, it has a small printed page saying they have a break from 02:00 to 04:00. (it's been there for at least two months). Even though I'm unlikely to need it at that time, and there's a truly 24h gas station near enough, it still infuriates me every time I think about it.
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby StClair » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:19 pm UTC

HES wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:But what I hate is "24/7/365",as a 'motto' or directive. The latter number should be more like 52, or thereabouts.

Right, or just 24/365


Closed on Feb 29, then?

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Just potatoes. Lots and lots of potatoes.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Shenguin » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:59 pm UTC

Really, the only honest 24-hour stores are the ones in places like Arizona and Hawaii (sic), and many of them are still wrong in certain years


Why Arizona and Hawaii? I am missing something about the alt text.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby Qaanol » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:06 pm UTC

Shenguin wrote:
Really, the only honest 24-hour stores are the ones in places like Arizona and Hawaii (sic), and many of them are still wrong in certain years


Why Arizona and Hawaii? I am missing something about the alt text.


DST.

Why did OP add “(sic)” though? The spelling is correct.
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby GlassHouses » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:39 am UTC

Flumble wrote:While I have never encountered a 7-eleven (even though they do exist "nearby" in Denmark, Norway, Sweden), I've always thought the 7 was for 7 days per week and the 11 for 11 hours a day.

When I moved to the US in 1998, it took a while before I understood what 7-Eleven meant, and when I finally did, I was struck by how anachronistic that was, since all the grocery stores (supermarkets) around here (NJ, not far from NYC) are open at least 16 hours a day. In fact, many were open non-stop, although that appears to have been a passing fad, most went back to a 6 AM to midnight or similar schedule eventually.

For an even more anachronistic name, look up Motel 6. That 6 used to stand for $6 a night!
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby whomever1 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:58 am UTC

Qaanol wrote:
Shenguin wrote:
Really, the only honest 24-hour stores are the ones in places like Arizona and Hawaii (sic), and many of them are still wrong in certain years


Why Arizona and Hawaii? I am missing something about the alt text.


DST.

DST stands for Daylight Standard Time? Those two states don't change between Daylight Savings and Standard Time like everybody else. Obviously you don't play Kingdom of Loathing.

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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby GlassHouses » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:49 am UTC

whomever1 wrote:DST stands for Daylight Standard Time? Those two states don't change between Daylight Savings and Standard Time like everybody else. Obviously you don't play Kingdom of Loathing.

DST stands for Daylight Saving Time.
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Re: 1825: "7 Eleven"

Postby orthogon » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:39 am UTC

GlassHouses wrote:
whomever1 wrote:DST stands for Daylight Standard Time? Those two states don't change between Daylight Savings and Standard Time like everybody else. Obviously you don't play Kingdom of Loathing.

DST stands for Daylight Saving Time.
N.B. Saving, not Savings.

It's vexatious that standard, saving and summer all start with an 's'. So a Usanian could easily assume that "BST" was the "Standard Time" variant of London time, whereas in fact it's the "Daylight Saving" (S=Summer). And that's before we get into "GMT", which is often taken to mean "London time", leading to such abominations as "GMT Daylight Time". The whole thing is a mess, really. The standards have worked around the issue by ascribing timezones to cities (e.g. "Europe/London"), which is the only sane way of doing it; nevertheless most humans like the three- (or four-) letter abbreviations. Furthermore, a lot of people probably think that this is the standard way of doing it, since the TLAs "feel" like other standardised abbreviations (ISO country codes, currency codes etc).

ETA: Another issue with the city-based timezone identifier is that it can seem metrocentric. Why should a company proudly based in, say, Liverpool organise its meetings in the "Europe/London" timezone? And where are "Europe/Edinburgh" and "Europe/Cardiff" for that matter?
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