1557: "Ozymandias"

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1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Endovior » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:48 am UTC

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And on the pedestal these words appear: "And on the pedestal these words appear: "And on the pedestal these words appear: "And...

My name is Ozymandias, King of Recursion. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and look upon my works...

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby applejuicefool » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:56 am UTC

Next XKCD title" "I once read an XKCD strip titled..."

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Djehutynakht » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:22 am UTC

I'm a big fan of Ozymandias, so I like this comic greatly.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby slinches » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:29 am UTC

I don't get it. What does Ozymandias have to do with recursion?

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Tevildo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:35 am UTC

Yo dawg, I heard you like antique lands.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Sir Real » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:57 am UTC

Ozymandalas?

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby serutan » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:14 am UTC

Don't really see the Ozymandius/recursion connection either, unless it's that there's been
Ozymandii strung out throughout history.
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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Mikeski » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:19 am UTC

Well, when my recursive code works like that, I despair...

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby kodiac » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:14 am UTC

Upon seeing this strip, I went straight to Wikipedia to find out what it referred to. I wasn't aware of either the poems or the Egyptian pharaoh of that name.
The Ozymandias Wikipedia article had already been edited to mention this XKCD strip, even before this forum thread had been created. :o

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby solune » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:20 am UTC

Thank god, an unclosed quote doesn't have the same psychological effect as an unclosed parenthesis or I would have had a bad day.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Quercus » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:08 am UTC

solune wrote:Thank god, an unclosed quote doesn't have the same psychological effect as an unclosed parenthesis or I would have had a bad day.


I don't mind unclosed quotes or parentheses if there's a ellipsis after them. I can successfully pretend that the thing is closed somewhere in the omitted text.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby orthogon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:16 am UTC

The first rule of Recursion Club is that the first rule of Recursion Club is that ...

(I'm having trouble getting my head around the difference between the first rules of Recursion Club and Tautology Club)
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Quercus » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:17 am UTC

The first rule of Tautology club doesn't take as long to say

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby orthogon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:40 am UTC

Quercus wrote:The first rule of Tautology club doesn't take as long to say

Not the one that I stated, but you could argue that "The first rule of Recursion Club is the first rule of Recursion Club" would be an acceptable first rule. It depends whether you think that's a statement of something that's trivially true, or whether it's a recursive statement. The distinction could be represented by:

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string FirstRuleOfTautologyClub() { return FIRST_RULE_OF_TAUTOLOGY_CLUB; }
string FirstRuleOfRecursionClub() { return FirstRuleOfRecursionClub(); }
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:51 am UTC

I would argue that in either case (recursion club or tautology club), the first rule would simply call the item with index 0 from the array of rules of that club.
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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby The Moomin » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:54 am UTC

slinches wrote:I don't get it. What does Ozymandias have to do with recursion?


History repeats itself?
I possibly don't pay enough attention to what's going on.
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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby orthogon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:21 am UTC

The Moomin wrote:
slinches wrote:I don't get it. What does Ozymandias have to do with recursion?


History repeats itself?


That's iteration, shurely. (Unless you're one of those Functional Programmers, in which case they're the same thing).
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby xarob » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:42 am UTC

Personally, I've always liked "'Twas a dark and stormy night...
Here's my version with 1/8 chance of terminating:

'Twas a dark and stormy night, and the cabin boy said to the prisoner,
"Tell us a yarn!" So the prisoner began: 'Twas a dark and stormy
night, and a random kid said to the first mate, "Tell us a yarn!" So
the first mate began: 'Twas a dark and stormy night, and the cabin boy
said to the prisoner, "Tell us a yarn!" So the prisoner began: 'Twas a
dark and stormy night, and the bosun said to the first mate, "Tell us
a yarn!" So the first mate began: 'Twas a dark and stormy night, and
the Captain said to JK Rowling, "Tell us a yarn!" So JK Rowling began:
'Twas a dark and stormy night, and the cabin boy said to the prisoner,
"Tell us a yarn!" But the prisoner replied: "** Stack overflow at
000121". So that was the end of that! THE END

(Sorry the quotes aren't quite right - I haven't looked at the generating rules for a while :) )

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Echo244 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:57 am UTC

Aren't the quotes in the strip angled so as to be close quotes? Which annoyingly makes it nonsense if you parse it as the closing part of something recursive.

Anyway. Hooray for recursion! Boo for Ozymandias going on forever without getting to the bit about nothing else remaining!
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Postby Eternal Density » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:49 am UTC

I have and often wear the circular 'To understand recursion, one must understand recursion.' tshirt :D
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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby kasmeneo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:10 pm UTC

Owing to the Dark Wave Goth phase in my youth, the name "Ozymandias" always reminds me of this.
It's cooler up here.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Flumble » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:16 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
The Moomin wrote:
slinches wrote:I don't get it. What does Ozymandias have to do with recursion?


History repeats itself?


That's iteration, shurely. (Unless you're one of those Functional Programmers, in which case they're the same thing).

You can also iterate by (tail) recursion. :D

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby leeharveyosmond » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:46 pm UTC

slinches wrote:I don't get it. What does Ozymandias have to do with recursion?


Looks more like a problem with the routing tables to me.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby DennyMo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:49 pm UTC

Makes me feel like I'm standing between two almost-parallel mirrors...

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby robonun » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:20 pm UTC

The record's skipping. Nudge the turntable a bit, that'll fix it.

Feh, kids these days and their recursive iteration crap. Get off my lawn!

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby twistolime » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:33 pm UTC

So... still no guesses for what the joke is? I'm going to give the illustrious author enough credit to believe that just referencing recursion is not the whole punchline.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Tara Li » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:37 pm UTC

Someone's been re-reading Godel Escher Bach

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby airdrik » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:54 pm UTC

Echo244 wrote:Aren't the quotes in the strip angled so as to be close quotes? Which annoyingly makes it nonsense if you parse it as the closing part of something recursive.

Anyway. Hooray for recursion! Boo for Ozymandias going on forever without getting to the bit about nothing else remaining!


I don't know which locale you are from, but in the one that us USians are acquainted with, those are all open quotes (around here, quotes lean towards the content they enclose).

The first rule of Recursion Club is that you have to start with your base cases.
Each of the other rules of Recursion Club build off of the ones preceding it.

There is a rule which fully describes the Recursion Club. We're still working on building all of the rules that it depends on.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Jackpot777 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:59 pm UTC

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby SocalPizza » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:12 pm UTC

Unless I am wrong, and I am never wrong, this is a Civ 4 joke.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby rmsgrey » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:45 pm UTC

airdrik wrote:
Echo244 wrote:Aren't the quotes in the strip angled so as to be close quotes? Which annoyingly makes it nonsense if you parse it as the closing part of something recursive.

Anyway. Hooray for recursion! Boo for Ozymandias going on forever without getting to the bit about nothing else remaining!


I don't know which locale you are from, but in the one that us USians are acquainted with, those are all open quotes (around here, quotes lean towards the content they enclose).

The first rule of Recursion Club is that you have to start with your base cases.
Each of the other rules of Recursion Club build off of the ones preceding it.

There is a rule which fully describes the Recursion Club. We're still working on building all of the rules that it depends on.


To my mathematical ear, that sounds more like Induction Club...

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby SimonMoon5 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:22 pm UTC

If we had an index file, we could look it up in the index file.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby kalira » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:27 pm UTC

airdrik wrote:
Echo244 wrote:Aren't the quotes in the strip angled so as to be close quotes? Which annoyingly makes it nonsense if you parse it as the closing part of something recursive.

Anyway. Hooray for recursion! Boo for Ozymandias going on forever without getting to the bit about nothing else remaining!


I don't know which locale you are from, but in the one that us USians are acquainted with, those are all open quotes (around here, quotes lean towards the content they enclose).


I don't know which locale you are from, but this USican has never used quotes that way. I've always slanted them inward toward the content (pointy bits pointing at the first and last letters). FWIW I was an English major undergrad, and have a Master's in linguistics, though TBF I don't recall discussing the subject in any of those classes. That statement is more a measure of how much I've written than an attempt at legitimizing my claim.

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“Good morning, Dave,” said HAL.

^Unicode appears to agree with me and Echo. Those were open and close quotes before they were put in the code box.

Must state for the record, though, that I parsed the comic just fine, and didn't even notice the "wrongways" quotation marks until they were mentioned here.
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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Whizbang » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:33 pm UTC

It appears that the font file he uses has the quotes "backward".

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Carteeg_Struve » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:44 pm UTC

I initiated an infinite recursive loop thirty-five minutes ago.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby mathmannix » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:07 pm UTC

kalira wrote:Must state for the record, though, that I parsed the comic just fine, and didn't even notice the "wrongways" quotation marks until they were mentioned here.

Great, now I cannot unsee them.
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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby PFD Studio » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:24 pm UTC

Wozymandias

I met a salesman from an antique shop
Who said: "I have for sale an Apple ][
That has one drive for tapes and one for flop-
Py discs to store what's valuable to you.
There's also an enormous twelve inch screen
So you can read the symbols and the signs
As they appear, on black, in shining green
Some forty letters wide, twenty-four lines.
It has one quirk, if anyone should care.
When booted up, a message it displays:
'Look on my AppleWorks, ye, and despair.'
I guess this old thing has seen better days.
This thing that once had power to excite -
Now just a memory (4 kilobyte)."

<http://www.techcurmudgeon.com/2011/12/wozymandias.html>

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Jave D » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:28 pm UTC

Reference is reference.
Reference is because reference.
And that is the reference.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby Cervisiae Amatorem » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:41 pm UTC

I kept reading this as "I met a traveler from an antique store.." I didn't get the joke.

I read it correctly now. I still don't get the joke.

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Re: 1557: "Ozymandias"

Postby warcupine » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:43 pm UTC

kalira wrote:
airdrik wrote:
Echo244 wrote:Aren't the quotes in the strip angled so as to be close quotes? Which annoyingly makes it nonsense if you parse it as the closing part of something recursive.

Anyway. Hooray for recursion! Boo for Ozymandias going on forever without getting to the bit about nothing else remaining!


I don't know which locale you are from, but in the one that us USians are acquainted with, those are all open quotes (around here, quotes lean towards the content they enclose).


I don't know which locale you are from, but this USican has never used quotes that way. I've always slanted them inward toward the content (pointy bits pointing at the first and last letters). FWIW I was an English major undergrad, and have a Master's in linguistics, though TBF I don't recall discussing the subject in any of those classes. That statement is more a measure of how much I've written than an attempt at legitimizing my claim.


I've been using "backward" quotation marks this whole time? I wish someone had told me sooner!
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Really, I'm "trying" to draw proper curvy quotation marks, but I always start from the top and never make it all the way to the bottom.


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