1544: "Margaret"

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1544: "Margaret"

Postby Dr What » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:55 am UTC

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title="Otherwise known as Margaret the Destroyer, I will bring pain to the the Great One. Then again, maybe I won't."

Against Margaret...
...The Gods Themselves...
...Contend in Vain?

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Echo244 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:24 pm UTC

...well I'm reading this one as pretty dark. Not just literally.

Not that I don't understand those sort of feelings. It's just what's underneath them...
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Gandalfx » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:55 pm UTC

Echo244 wrote:[…] pretty dark. Not just literally.
That's literally what I was about to write.

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Tariovic » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:11 pm UTC

For those of us who grew up via the works of the great Judy Bloom. Thank you for giving me a smile today.

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby pkcommando » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:12 pm UTC

On the next episode of Supernatural...
"The Universe is for raptors now!" say Raptors, as they take over all of Universe.

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Djehutynakht » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:16 pm UTC

The first thing I thought of here was The West Wing.

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Jorpho » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:20 pm UTC

I'm not the only one who gets the joke, am I? I suspect this is a little obscure even for Randall, though I seem to dimly recall he referenced "Are you there?" in the alt-text of a previous comic. (On that note, why is the archive text search gone?)

Spoiler:
Both Are you there, God? It's me, Margaret and Then again, maybe I won't are books by children's author Judy Blume.


EDIT: Thanks to ExplainXKCD, I realize now I was thinking of the alt-text for Heartbleed Explanation (1354).
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Whizbang » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:33 pm UTC

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby FrobozzWizard » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:34 pm UTC

Jorpho wrote:I'm not the only one who gets the joke, am I?


No, you aren't the only one who got it. I was looking for other references in the alt-text than the ones you mentioned.

Spoiler:
Also relevant to the joke is Otherwise Known as Sheila the Great. The probable reason that Randall was thinking about this at all is that Blume is for the first time publishing a book intended for an adult audience.

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby amorya » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:37 pm UTC

FrobozzWizard wrote:
Jorpho wrote:I'm not the only one who gets the joke, am I?


No, you aren't the only one who got it. I was looking for other references in the alt-text than the ones you mentioned.


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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby funda » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:54 pm UTC

amorya wrote:
FrobozzWizard wrote:
Jorpho wrote:I'm not the only one who gets the joke, am I?


No, you aren't the only one who got it. I was looking for other references in the alt-text than the ones you mentioned.

Also relevant to the joke is Otherwise Known as Sheila the Great. The probable reason that Randall was thinking about this at all is that Blume is for the first time publishing a book intended for an adult audience.


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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:54 pm UTC

That gal had better be careful: googlefight has god winning by a ratio of 200:23
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby cryptoengineer » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:23 pm UTC

FrobozzWizard wrote:
Jorpho wrote:I'm not the only one who gets the joke, am I?


No, you aren't the only one who got it. I was looking for other references in the alt-text than the ones you mentioned.

Spoiler:
Also relevant to the joke is Otherwise Known as Sheila the Great. The probable reason that Randall was thinking about this at all is that Blume is for the first time publishing a book intended for an adult audience.


<cough>Wifey (1978)</cough> If you see this in the children's section, alert the librarian. It was adult fare in 1978, and its adult fare now.

There's also "Smart Women" (1978) and "Summer Sisters" (1983), but I haven't read them.

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby margaretd » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:15 pm UTC

I'm a Margaret. This comic describes me perfectly. ;-)

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby wermet » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:27 pm UTC

It seems pretty obvious that Randall's cartoon is based on this book "Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret". This is a 1986 book written by Judy Blume. It is the story of a young, pre-teen girl who is searching for religious truth. She is torn between her mother's Christianity and her father's Judaism.

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby da Doctah » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:05 pm UTC

Am I the only who is also reminded of Ray Stevens?
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:32 pm UTC

This comic instantly makes me think of my oldest girl. If I had to pick which person I know would eventually start threatening deities, it would be her.

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby ergman » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:39 pm UTC

impressively densely packed references, which I had to come here to learn about. I guess I didn't read too much Judy Blume, although I recognize the name. At first I thought this comic was just incredibly surreal.
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Sprocket » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:56 pm UTC

My mom almost named me Margaret. Then she didn't.
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:31 pm UTC

wermet wrote:It seems pretty obvious that Randall's cartoon is based on this book "Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret". This is a 1986 book written by Judy Blume. It is the story of a young, pre-teen girl who is searching for religious truth. She is torn between her mother's Christianity and her father's Judaism.



So... in the 2015 revised edition she ends up joining ISIS?
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby squall_line » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:55 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:
wermet wrote:Unnecessary xplainxkcd-esque post

So... in the 2015 revised edition she ends up joining ISIS?


I think you're thinking of Toyota commercials.

That said, the fourth panel made me think of this.

Is Laura Roslin's middle name Margaret? ;)

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby RogueCynic » Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:50 pm UTC

Randall is obviously referring to this Margaret.

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Jorpho » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:41 am UTC

amorya wrote:
FrobozzWizard wrote:
Jorpho wrote:I'm not the only one who gets the joke, am I?
No, you aren't the only one who got it. I was looking for other references in the alt-text than the ones you mentioned.
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby redbird71 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:15 am UTC

This comic is actually so sad it made me shed a tear or two. Its not easy not to be mad when you lose somebody important to you. But over here they say when god closes a door he opens a window and I found this to be true. Remember - if there is shadow there must be light. Death is an experience you have to go through because its part of the human existance.

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby kodiac » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:23 am UTC

I'm almost certain that I've never heard of the referenced books.

Something about Margaret's hair makes me think of the ghost girl in the movie "The Ring", though now I can't remember whether I've seen the original, or only the 2002 remake.
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:52 am UTC

Technically the invisible man in the sky sees everything so if someone has watched it recently then he has.
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby JimsMaher » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:59 am UTC

Otherwise known as Margaret the Destroyer, I will bring pain to the the Great One. Then again, maybe I won't.

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Pfhorrest » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:40 am UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:Technically the invisible man in the sky sees everything so if someone has watched it recently then he has.

That raises an interesting metaphysical/theological question: assuming God existed, would anyone need to actually put a video in a player connected to a screen for him to "watch" it, or would his omniscience just see the entirety of the video directly on the medium, its full length beginning to ending perceptible to him simultaneously?

If the latter, then the very existence of the Ring video (plus God) would mean that God was watching it at all times. And if his omniscience were trans-temporal, then the fact that the Ring video ever had or would exist would mean that he would always have been and would always be watching it, eternally.
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Al-pocalypse » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:40 am UTC

This comic has become alarmingly prophetic:

My grandma, called Margaret, kicked the bucket last night.
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:42 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:Technically the invisible man in the sky sees everything so if someone has watched it recently then he has.

That raises an interesting metaphysical/theological question: assuming God existed, would anyone need to actually put a video in a player connected to a screen for him to "watch" it, or would his omniscience just see the entirety of the video directly on the medium, its full length beginning to ending perceptible to him simultaneously?

If the latter, then the very existence of the Ring video (plus God) would mean that God was watching it at all times. And if his omniscience were trans-temporal, then the fact that the Ring video ever had or would exist would mean that he would always have been and would always be watching it, eternally.

That raises the question whether the 7 days start after you started or finished watching the film. If the former then God would be dead in a universe with the Ring video.
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby orthogon » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:11 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:[...] would his omniscience just see the entirety of the video directly on the medium, its full length beginning to ending perceptible to him simultaneously? [...]

Y'know, God is a lot like a photon...
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Marsh'n » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:07 pm UTC

Al-pocalypse wrote:This comic has become alarmingly prophetic:
My grandma, called Margaret, kicked the bucket last night.


Al-pocalypse, I'm sorry for your loss.

On a somewhat different note, what's with the the alt-text?
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby cryptoengineer » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:26 pm UTC

redbird71 wrote: Death is an experience you have to go through because its part of the human existance.


This is a problem we need to put a high priority on fixing.
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:10 pm UTC

All this talk about scaring God made me interpret that title as if it were a Lovecraft story.
Pfhorrest wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:Technically the invisible man in the sky sees everything so if someone has watched it recently then he has.

That raises an interesting metaphysical/theological question: assuming God existed, would anyone need to actually put a video in a player connected to a screen for him to "watch" it, or would his omniscience just see the entirety of the video directly on the medium, its full length beginning to ending perceptible to him simultaneously?

If the latter, then the very existence of the Ring video (plus God) would mean that God was watching it at all times. And if his omniscience were trans-temporal, then the fact that the Ring video ever had or would exist would mean that he would always have been and would always be watching it, eternally.
I'd go with the interpretation that things only exist when observed. For mundane things, God's steady observation provides a steady ontology. God never saw Samara; when she was alive she was a p-zombie observed only by her family; in death she needs people to watch the video to continue existing.

From a more strictly Christian perspective, God's observing the tape would not imply Samara's ability to hurt God. Samara herself might not be able to observe God, again making God's observation of the video a one way event.
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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby rmsgrey » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:51 pm UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:Technically the invisible man in the sky sees everything so if someone has watched it recently then he has.

That raises an interesting metaphysical/theological question: assuming God existed, would anyone need to actually put a video in a player connected to a screen for him to "watch" it, or would his omniscience just see the entirety of the video directly on the medium, its full length beginning to ending perceptible to him simultaneously?

If the latter, then the very existence of the Ring video (plus God) would mean that God was watching it at all times. And if his omniscience were trans-temporal, then the fact that the Ring video ever had or would exist would mean that he would always have been and would always be watching it, eternally.

That raises the question whether the 7 days start after you started or finished watching the film. If the former then God would be dead in a universe with the Ring video.


I'd guess they started in 33 AD

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby AK49BWL » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:35 pm UTC

da Doctah wrote:Am I the only who is also reminded of Ray Stevens?
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Looks like you and me lol. I was wondering the same thing


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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby Aelfyre » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:58 pm UTC

AK49BWL wrote:
da Doctah wrote:Am I the only who is also reminded of Ray Stevens?
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Looks like you and me lol. I was wondering the same thing


"It's me again...........Margaret.... HEEHEEHEEEHEEEEEEEEE!"


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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby redbird71 » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:48 am UTC

cryptoengineer wrote:
redbird71 wrote: Death is an experience you have to go through because its part of the human existance.


This is a problem we need to put a high priority on fixing.
The 'Human Condition' sucks, and we shouldn't put up with it.


There is actually quite a number of people that make me think they allready figured out how....

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby pixeldigger » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:28 pm UTC

I'm in the "didn't know the book reference " crowd.
Either way, the past 2 days I've been singing 7 Mary 3 in my head....
Margaret came to me was all he said
Before she knew my name she was in my bed
She was only sweet sixteen
Twenty thousand days younger than me
Marry me she said, I don't reply
Daddy said, "You'd better, or you'll die"
She wants a house and fifteen kids I guess
She does my love
And I can't find a state we're legal in
Margaret!

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Re: 1544: "Margaret"

Postby SecondTalon » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:39 pm UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:This comic instantly makes me think of my oldest girl. If I had to pick which person I know would eventually start threatening deities, it would be her.

...eventually? I thought she has been for the past three years.
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