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1969: "Not Available"

Postby CopiousWaistcoats » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:23 pm UTC

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Title Text: "If my country ever picks a new national flag, this is on my shortlist for designs to argue for, but I think in the end I'll go with the green puzzle piece or broken image thumbnail."

When this loaded I genuinely thought the page had glitched out and the comic wasn't available
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby Rombobjörn » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:33 pm UTC

That should definitely be the new flag of the USA.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:13 pm UTC

When it comes to 404 pages, here are twoof my faves

https://www-s.acm.illinois.edu/sigmil/ (note that this code originated elsewhere and has been culturally appropriated by many sites)

https://www.thingiverse.com/3828582178572
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby edo » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:14 pm UTC

and if enough people do it - in harmony - it could start a revolution
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby DanAxtell » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:17 pm UTC

I'm a little disappointed that the actual XKCD 404 page is neither clever nor even valid 21st-century HTML:

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<html>
<head><title>404 Not Found</title></head>
<body bgcolor="white">
<center><h1>404 Not Found</h1></center>
<hr><center>nginx</center>
</body>
</html>

I guess it's just the default nginx 404 page.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby Zowayix » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:22 pm UTC

Comic #404 is the 404 page though, which kinda makes up for it.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby jozwa » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:25 pm UTC


Oh wow, it just goes on forever. But that's pretty funny.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby PedroTibo » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:47 pm UTC

I'm sad, Randall used to go out of his way to give another level to his comics but the 404 of his own website is just a 404 :x
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby The Snide Sniper » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:59 pm UTC

This needs to become the new 404 page for xkcd.
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:14 pm UTC

edo wrote:and if enough people do it - in harmony - it could start a revolution

Well, you know, we all want to change the world.
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby markfiend » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:28 pm UTC

slightly O/T but here's another comedy 404 page:
http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/error404page.html
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby SuicideJunkie » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:09 pm UTC

jozwa wrote:

Oh wow, it just goes on forever. But that's pretty funny.

I waited for it, and it does end:
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby ucim » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:22 pm UTC

You can also view source. It's in plain text in the source, just dribbled out line by line by javascript.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby rmsgrey » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:29 pm UTC

This comment is not available in this thread.

(I'm surprised no-one else got here first)

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby keithl » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:51 pm UTC

I just wasted 10 minutes relearning how to put an ErrorDocument stanza in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf on my server.

http://keithl.com/x

... where x => any of a semi-infinite number of pages that I have not implemented. The downside is that the webspiders will hammer my site with requests for every possible string. The upside is they will fill their disks with multiple copies of the image, and if we all do this, hard disk sales will soar! Full employment! America will be great again!

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby jeanrenaud » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:47 pm UTC

Please help. I'm from Canada. I tried opening the comic with an US Proxy, and it still shows "This content is not available in this country".

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby keithl » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:12 pm UTC

jeanrenaud wrote:Please help. I'm from Canada. I tried opening the comic with an US Proxy, and it still shows "This content is not available in this country".

Try a proxy in Kazakhstan. The content is available there.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:58 pm UTC

keithl wrote:
jeanrenaud wrote:Please help. I'm from Canada. I tried opening the comic with an US Proxy, and it still shows "This content is not available in this country".

Try a proxy in Kazakhstan. The content is available there.

The proxies there are DNS poisoned to go to a malware host instead. You need to use either Borduria (if you don't mind being MITM snooped upon by the authorities there) or Grand Fenwick (you'll have to suffer the injected page ads for their wine). The latency can be a bit low, for both, and service only works at all half the time because they each bounce their traffic off the Moon.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby keithl » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:34 am UTC

Soupspoon wrote:
keithl wrote:
jeanrenaud wrote:Please help. I'm from Canada. I tried opening the comic with an US Proxy, and it still shows "This content is not available in this country".

Try a proxy in Kazakhstan. The content is available there.

The proxies there are DNS poisoned to go to a malware host instead. You need to use either Borduria (if you don't mind being MITM snooped upon by the authorities there) or Grand Fenwick (you'll have to suffer the injected page ads for their wine). The latency can be a bit low, for both, and service only works at all half the time because they each bounce their traffic off the Moon.

Ah - the old "Moon In The Middle" attack. I prefer to bounce my traffic off my own private Moon.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby jeanrenaud » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:41 am UTC

Tried FREE VIAGRA Kazakhstan proxy. FREE PROXY !! Still can't access EARN MONEY content.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby heuristically_alone » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:31 am UTC

jozwa wrote:

Oh wow, it just goes on forever. But that's pretty funny.


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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby cellocgw » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:13 pm UTC

keithl wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:
keithl wrote:
jeanrenaud wrote:Please help. I'm from Canada. I tried opening the comic with an US Proxy, and it still shows "This content is not available in this country".

Try a proxy in Kazakhstan. The content is available there.

The proxies there are DNS poisoned to go to a malware host instead. You need to use either Borduria (if you don't mind being MITM snooped upon by the authorities there) or Grand Fenwick (you'll have to suffer the injected page ads for their wine). The latency can be a bit low, for both, and service only works at all half the time because they each bounce their traffic off the Moon.

Ah - the old "Moon In The Middle" attack. I prefer to bounce my traffic off my own private Moon.


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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby Mikeski » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:18 am UTC

keithl wrote:I prefer to bounce my traffic off my own private Moon.

I assume "private moon" is a euphemism for a lap dance.

I don't want to know what "bounce my traffic off" is a euphemism for.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby RogueCynic » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:01 am UTC

cellocgw wrote:When it comes to 404 pages, here are twoof my faves

https://www-s.acm.illinois.edu/sigmil/ (note that this code originated elsewhere and has been culturally appropriated by many sites)

https://www.thingiverse.com/3828582178572


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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby RCT Bob » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:34 pm UTC

In all seriousness though, it honestly baffles me that we as mankind still haven't solved the issue of content availability between countries despite the age of the internet by now, especially when considering content availability differs between various EU countries between which you would expect free transportation of goods and people. I mean, what's legally different between me physically travelling from the Netherlands to Germany, entering a local store and interacting with people there, then going back, and me going online using my Dutch internet connection to a German website and interacting with it? Why should the business owner (in this case the website owner) care about from where I came? What conceivable advantage is there to essentially forcing your customers to first travel to a different country and then going online from there (which I guess a proxy kind of does, although it's merely your online presence that's travelling abroad rather than your physical self)?

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:29 pm UTC

Intellectual rights. Often outwith the control of the web-side provider, though occasionally also part of that segment of the business.

If a TV station streams/puts onto Youtube a clip of a show (to whatever extent they do, with or without whatever subscription/advert-bookending needs they already need to satisfy for their business model) they may have to deal with material not allowed in a foreign jurisdiction (Third-Reich symbology in Germany) or differently controlled elsewhere (your jurisdiction allows 30 seconds of a background music snippet without royalty payments, or you've actually paid for some media inclusion but only under your own traditiinal region of broadcast; this exceeds the 15 seconds that another place allows, or nobody bought the rights for worldwide re-use thirty years ago when this particular archived programme was locally aired when there was no Youtube-republishing to consider).

Even if it's not a blanket problem, it might be a blanket restriction applied to all material (until/unless explicitly cleared) upon request by the advising lawyers or over-cautiousness by a individual content-uploader who would rather not tangle with things beyond the level they are confident about. Or a complaint was actually made and a partial-pulldown enforced by the host on the way to working out what exactly to do about thr claims, or just to wipe their hands just enough for their own comfort.


Many things. Really, legal territories are so utterly invisible these days that there's no practical barrier to most things being globally available (at best, broadcasters can embed watermarking tech in their broadcasts then prosecute the subscriber later found to be the source of the torrenting or live smartphone-camera restreaming) but legalities still technically constrain those who would not blatently ride roughshod over whichever petty and/or over-officious limits apply, should that be how the relative opinions interact.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby Nazdar » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:16 pm UTC

This will be the last comic Randall posts. It will become the landing page forever.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby dash » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:59 pm UTC

Nazdar wrote:This will be the last comic Randall posts. It will become the landing page forever.

I was wondering the same thing. Is this your speculation, or do you know it for sure?
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby Nazdar » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:17 pm UTC

Time will tell.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:23 pm UTC

Whether or not it's true, I guarantee Nazdar doesn't know.
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby Nazdar » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:33 pm UTC

The best thing about long shots is that eventually you get one right and everyone thinks you're a genius.

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby rmsgrey » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:06 pm UTC

Nazdar wrote:The best thing about long shots is that eventually you get one right and everyone thinks you're a genius.


It depends how accessible your history is - if you post a thousand predictions to the same site at the same time, and one pays off, people are likely to notice the other 999 and be less impressed. If you post a thousand predictions to a thousand different sites, using a thousand different usernames, then on the one site where it works out, you're going to enjoy an elevated reputation for a while - until your next few predictions fizzle.

It's the equivalent of the classic mailer scam where you send letters to 1024*n people, predicting the result of some national sporting event (half the letters predicting one team wins; half the other team). Then for the next match, you send out 512*n letters (to the people who got the correct result sent in the first letter), and so on, until you have n people who you've correctly predicted the results of the last 10 matches for. To those people, you send a letter "to find out the results of the next match, send me $1000" (actual numbers adjusted to find a suitable balance between getting a sufficiently impressive string of results, spending too much sending letters to the people you send a wrong prediction to, charging a realistic amount for the information that people would be willing to pay, and the proportion of people who will actually pay for your information).

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby Nazdar » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:59 pm UTC

I still get depressed every time I see the phrase "Electrofishing for Whales".

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby dwalend » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:33 pm UTC

Would it make people angier if you returned a 451 instead of a 401? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_451

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby il biggo » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:10 am UTC

If you REALLY want to piss people off, use https.
I've been unable to reach xkcd since #1890. Had to upgrade to this toy "Yosemite" system to open half of the sites I was happily reading a few weeks ago.
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby SuicideJunkie » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:32 pm UTC

il biggo wrote:If you REALLY want to piss people off, use https.
I've been unable to reach xkcd since #1890. Had to upgrade to this toy "Yosemite" system to open half of the sites I was happily reading a few weeks ago.

My old netbook has that issue too. Can't agree on a common encryption, huh? Not even ROT 0? I just want a few drops of amusement from these intertubes :(

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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby il biggo » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:23 pm UTC

SuicideJunkie wrote:Can't agree on a common encryption, huh? Not even ROT 0? I just want a few drops of amusement from these intertubes :(


By the way, WHY should anybody need a secure access to webcomics?
And the forum -where people write "private" stuff and use a password and maybe a real name- is http.
Is there some kind of new law to keep uncool people away from the internet?
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby xtifr » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:55 pm UTC

il biggo wrote:If you REALLY want to piss people off, use https.

If you really want to piss people off, don't use https!

I think you'll find there's a whole lot more people (especially smart people) who would like to kill unencryted http for once and for all than there are people stuck with insecure and un-upgradable systems who cling desperately to them for some unknown reason. The W3C and the EFF and countless others are actively working to end the http era. There are simply too many man-in-the-middle code-injection attacks and the like to justify using http, even if a particular site has no inherent need for security. Refusing to use https will piss a lot of people off, and should piss off even more.

And yes, if you turn off javascript completely, many of the dangers go away, but most people aren't willing to do that. So the only people who can justifiably be upset over the disappearance of http are those who both cling to insecure systems and are willing to live without all the sites which depend on JS. That's a number so small that it would be ridiculous for them to complain, even though their personal risk is fairly minimal.
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Re: 1969: "Not Available"

Postby chridd » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:44 am UTC

If you want to read xkcd on an old browser, http://explainxkcd.com/ supports plain HTTP (at least for now) and has all the comics and title text. (I used this when my computer was broken and I had to use an older computer with an out-of-date browser and OS for a while.)
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