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by **ForAllOfThis** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:06 pm UTC

To be honest, I have no idea why the recruit didn't work. My role only includes the NK immunity, not reaver recruit immunity.

I got a message at the start of the day from the mod saying that a reaver tried to recruit me but it failed. I can only assume that there is a reaver-doctor.

by **Sungura** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:30 pm UTC

Who replaced Chandani?

I'm really sorry but I am sick and on some heafty drugs right now so my brain is a fuzz. I cant tell if it's just me or FAOT is crazier and crazier. Looking back on my notes from day one (before claimed) I have "scum?" written but crossed off once he claimed and basically ignored trying to read him since because of the claim so I really need to reread I know. Here's what I have so far basically on FAOT...
- I Originally wondered scum until claimed book then basically stopped trying to read him
- has voted on some bandwagons with loose or very odd/null reasoning
- whenever comes into question seems to claim something new:
-- claimed book
-- claimed nk immune
-- claimed rever immune

my question is...do we believe his original claim, and do we believe any of his subsequent two claims?
I could believe book. I could believe that book had some night kill immunity since book was always reading/praying in the evenings maybe that gives the flavor for some kind of immunity...but now rever immune? I highly doubt there are 3 original revers so if true recruits can recruit which leads to still an extremely overpowered cult. That, or he's not rever immune and was recruited last night and still extremely overpowered cult. Or...he really is rever immune AND nk immune.

Perhaps a logical explanation could be that the 'culting' now kills (appears as a recruit for the night but dies upon morning?) and so that was covered by the NK immunity? This seems a far stretch though.

Still yet another option is FAOT is lying through his teeth with all these claims (or at least, some of them) and trying to get us focused on revers still after we just hit two original ones when there really is no threat. Perhaps he was already recruited so it is a play to make us take out people not in the cult, or alliance trying to keep our efforts directed at a rever threat even after the logical number-wise two-intials are gone.

Mostlynormal wrote:
_infina_ wrote:A sense of unease washes over them. Something was different, but everyone was still here.

I'm really surprised no one mentioned this. No kills, but, "Something was different." I could've smelled a recruit a mile away even without FAOT's claim. I'm not sure what to make of the claim though. Ny first thought was "how can we trust him?", my second was "No scum in their right mind would do that!" and my third thought was WIFOM. I guess we can still be sure that he's not an original reaver or alliance, because of his claim D1. So it could be honest or it could be a crazy WIFOM ploy. I think either way it's best to go for the players who haven't roleclaimed yet. But I'm curious about how FAOT knew there was a recruit attempt on him.

How did you know someone tried to recruit you FAOT?

I also want to call attention to this post becuase the entire post does not sit right with me. If there is something fishy going on with FAOT, something fishy is going on with Mostly Normal too. The entire post is trying to be some independent backup of FAOT, but then with the dash of "lulz wifom" thrown in at the end as kind of a "cover". Also it is one of the strongest posts I have seen from MN that I recall, as thus far he has struck me as a very safe non-commital type player so this is very different than how he has played the game to this point.

My current working theory is MN and FAOT are either both revers themselves (recruited, likely), we dont know about the actual recruiting powers or killing powers - perhaps a kill didn't work last night for them so it's a play to stir things up. Or, they are alliance. Unless I am missing something and we have some sort of confirmation of FAOT's role, but let's face it, if FAOT falseclaimed Book day 1, who would counter that? Book is likely a strong character (former training - he knows so much in the shows and movie, and lots of potential powers from his faith) that counterclaiming on a false claim could be rather dangerous.

by **roband** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:42 pm UTC

I agree with your words about MN Sungura, somewhat at least.

I'm not fond of the "I think either way it's best to go for the players who haven't roleclaimed yet". Because that's me. I have no plans to roleclaim just yet. Nor do I see myself as lynch material.

by **_infina_** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:49 pm UTC

Sungura wrote:Who replaced Chandani?

_infina_ wrote:Chandani has been replaced by devourke.

by **roband** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:51 pm UTC

Well, that's over a week of active-day-phase without any action from devourke...

Can we get a replacement for devourke? Or... a prod or something?

by **mpolo** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:56 pm UTC

How can we be inactive in such an epic game like Firefly? I guess that if we could manage it for Princess Bride, it's no challenge to do it here… :cry:

On FAOT - I believe the Book claim, simply because it wasn't countered. Someone doubted it because of Book's dying in the movie, but I don't think that's a real issue -- or if it were, someone would have have real information to prove that we were in a post-film world. NK-immune seems reasonable as a power, as Sungura said, but I wonder about the Reaver-immunity. Of course, he's technically not claiming Reaver-immunity, but that he was affected by a non-successful recruit. Maybe there is some other mechanic to explain this, though I'm a little bit at a loss to think of one that would still get FAOT informed of the failed recruit.

I seem to remember some weirdness from MostlyNormal, but I don't have the time to look into that at the moment. I will do so tomorrow afternoon.

by **_infina_** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:15 pm UTC

b.i.o has been replaced by Misnomer.

by **Mostlynormal** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:20 pm UTC

roband wrote:I'm not fond of the "I think either way it's best to go for the players who haven't roleclaimed yet". Because that's me. I have no plans to roleclaim just yet. Nor do I see myself as lynch material.

I guess I wasn't very clear then. I was trying to say that since we should still be worried about alliance and/or reaver cult leaders, we should ignore people confirmed to have started the game as town. That's reasonable, right?

by **Misnomer** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:21 pm UTC

'sup folks.

I'm gonna do a quick readthrough, then I'll be back with some actual content shortly.

by **roband** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:21 pm UTC

Mostlynormal wrote:
roband wrote:I'm not fond of the "I think either way it's best to go for the players who haven't roleclaimed yet". Because that's me. I have no plans to roleclaim just yet. Nor do I see myself as lynch material.

I guess I wasn't very clear then. I was trying to say that since we should still be worried about alliance and/or reaver cult leaders, we should ignore people confirmed to have started the game as town. That's reasonable, right?

Sure. But also bear in mind that it means nothing any more...

by **Misnomer** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:08 am UTC

Right, was gonna do a big contentful post of fun, but I've just spent the last half hour coughing up most of my voice box so I think I'm gonna do a quick post now, dose up on painkillers and get some sleep.

For now though, some initial thoughts:
1) Without knowing precisely what the nature of the reaver recruit setup is, I'm inclined to say that they're likely to be the bigger threat to us right now.
2) FAOT's role sounds suspiciously powerful... kill immunity? plausible. Niave recruit immunity? Somewhat less so. Being informed of both happenings? Suspicious.

3) Flavour-wise, why would it make sense for Book to be kill-immune?

by **BoomFrog** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:41 am UTC

I really can't see why a reaver-doctor would also result in FAOT being informed that he was targeted by a recruit. I think that he was originally planning to claim native immunity but since people said that wasn't plausible he changed up the story. Most likely he was recruited last night. Somewhat less likely he was recruited earlier and is trying to drive suspicion away from the last Reaver cult leader, someone who was suspected yesterday but not lynched, aka MostlyNormal. Three Reaver-primes is a bit much, but there do seem to be a lot of town blocking powers to balance things out, so I think it's possible. Although presumably FAOT expected to be believed, and if he was believed then that would pile suspicion onto MN not take it off. Okay, suspicion of MN slightly retracted.

Vote: FAOT

by **Misnomer** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:40 pm UTC

Ok, quick thoughts on each player:

Angua - Concerns: I don't like the look of that D1 lurker vote much, the 'wow' at the start of D2 also pings a little. That said, most of their content seems sound, if a little sparse.

Sungura - The legend of Amy continues. Soild posts, pscyhic guesswork - I'm getting nothing but town vibes from this. Only possible causes for concern are the recent slump in activity (which she has explained as illness but could also be indicative of an alignment change) and the very fact she is still alive (but the wider lack of deaths could indicate that her continued existence is not from want of scum trying to kill her). All in all, good feelings here.

BoomFrog - I'm somewhat unnerved by the 'plague on both your houses' attitude towards Amy and mr face. I'm getting a gut feeling of concern from his posts here, but nothing else specifically jumps out ringing alarm bells. Judgement reserved.

FAOT - His ability claims just don't seem credible to me, or to fit the flavour of Shepherd Book. He was far too eager to claim D1, and that's got me thinking - flavour-wise, am I not right in saying that there's grounds for thinking that Book might begin the game as alliance? Definitely suspicious.

roband - Seems undluy suspicious (afraid?) of Sungura, but tbh I'm not getting much of a read off of him. No obvious Scum!Roband tells anyway.

mpolo - I can never read this man. I'm inclined to call it all a little vague and very safe, but this seems to be his playstyle regardless of alignment.

Az - Not knowing what his big red button does worries me - and I'm not entirely sure I buy the explanation. Still, by virtue of the roleclaim definitely town at start - although reaver recruit always remains a possibility. Thinking about the reavers, wouldn't it make sense from a flavour and balance perspective to have converted players lose their original abilities? With that in mind, I have to wonder about Az's 'no invention today' statement.

Chandani/devourke - Very strongly pushed the time-aspect, which is weird if nothing else. Claimed Mal, and then fell silent. Replacement has yet to post. Lurker and possibly reaver by virtue of being 'confirmed town'.

mostlynormal - Flip flops a little on whether or not the Alliance are now the main threat. Nothing else really jumps out at me as suspicious though.

So yeah, I'm struggling to get reads on most people.

That said, my suspicions of FAOT grow stronger by the minute. Pretty much every claim he's made (except possibly his role name) raises doubts. I don't like it, so I'm gonna throw out a vote here.

Vote: FAOT

by **roband** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:16 pm UTC

Bleh, FOS Misnomer.

For not even considering the possibility that Sungura is scum...

by **Misnomer** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:23 pm UTC

roband wrote:Bleh, FOS Misnomer.

For not even considering the possibility that Sungura is scum...

I did consider it - see the two concerns I listed. I made a judgement call though that I didn't think the case for her being scum added up, or at least didn't add up as convincingly as the case for her being town.

by **roband** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:26 pm UTC

You didn't mention the fact that we have two different scum teams. Her leading the lynches on a couple of bad guys means nothing.

If this ends up with the two anti-town factions working together to eliminate town, like in Buffy, I'm gonna be so pissed.

by **Misnomer** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:35 pm UTC

roband wrote:You didn't mention the fact that we have two different scum teams. Her leading the lynches on a couple of bad guys means nothing.

If this ends up with the two anti-town factions working together to eliminate town, like in Buffy, I'm gonna be so pissed.

Well in Buffy that led to one of the anti-town factions getting screwed over, so hopefully the various forces of darkness have collectively learnt that to mistrust any such alliances. :wink:

But yeah, I'm not blind to the possibility of Amy leading the charge against a rival faction - but the point is I'm not really get any anti-town pings from her at all.

by **Azrael001** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:02 pm UTC

Don't forget that it was me who killed the Reaver yesterday.

I do see the FAOT wagon as being something that I could hop onto, but mostlynormal is also pinging me. I don't know yet.

by **mpolo** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:53 pm UTC

I think it would be a stretch to have Book start as Alliance. I suppose it's possible -- he had a high-level security that got him Alliance treatment in one episode. But I think it unlikely for the starting point of a Firefly-themed mafia game. I fully agree that it is possible that he was converted and is playing a gambit. I suppose he could be making the whole thing up as well, but I'm grasping at where there would be a motive for that. Immunity to both kills and recruits does sound very powerful, but if we have an indefinitely-recruiting cult, maybe that was intended as a balancing mechanism for it.

So, I guess I'm still wondering if I'm missing something, or if this is one of those bald-faced false claims that FAOT has managed to pull off a couple of times before.

I've been pretty convinced of Amy not being a Reaver for some time. I am getting a townie vibe off of her, but would be willing to entertain thoughts of her being Alliance, just because I don't want to trust anybody.

On Azrael, that would certainly be a question. Reavers with powers intact would be rather powerful indeed, and doesn't fit very well with the flavor. Which would justify a FoS against him.

As Misnomer has said, roband is very obsessed with not letting Sungura go under the radar, but I would characterize that as a good thing. We can't afford to just assume Amy has to be town. [I do think that it is very likely that she is town, but let's not make that "confirmed town" until something actually confirms it.]

by **Mostlynormal** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:24 pm UTC

I see now how FAOT's claim was pretty scummy. But that doesn't change the fact that he's probably not a real danger--we know he was town at the start of the game so now he's probably just a reaver recruit. I wouldn't mind lynching him but I'd prefer going after someone who is alliance (or perhaps a cult leader). The problem is I don't have many leads, and at this point a poorly justified vote would just get accusations of trying to start a counter bandwagon to save my scumbuddy or something.

BoomFrog wrote:Although presumably FAOT expected to be believed, and if he was believed then that would pile suspicion onto MN not take it off. Okay, suspicion of MN slightly retracted.

I don't understand this. Why would FAOT being beleived heap suspicion on me?

by **_infina_** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:25 pm UTC

The mods, they be mad. Appease them by bussing yourselves.

by **Mostlynormal** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:48 pm UTC

Under circumstances totally unrelated to the mental status of anyone who enjoys playing with mannequins, I did a read through, and immediately Mostlynormal came off as incredibly scummy to me. I don't know how I missed it before, but suddenly everything he does is really pinging me. The way he's been playing, I'd be surprised if he wasn't both the cult leader and the last alliance at the same time. Let's lynch him right now!

Vote: Mostlynormal

by **Mostlynormal** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:50 pm UTC

EBWOP: Wow I just noticed that Mostlynormal voted for me. I've been suspicious of him for the entire game but this is the last straw. OMGUS:

Unvote

Vote: Mostlynormal

by **Mostlynormal** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:50 pm UTC

EBWOP: Wow obvi-bus is obvi-bus. The last two posts are obviously scum trying to distance each other. Lets lynch both of them, starting with Mostly normal!

Unvote

Vote: Mostlynormal

by **roband** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:51 pm UTC

Wut?

Infina, as HILARIOUS as your mod-post is, can you tell us what you mean by it please?

by **roband** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:54 pm UTC

Infina, as HILARIOUS as your mod-post is, will you tell us what you mean by it please?

by **t1mm01994** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:58 pm UTC

If I could chime in here as mod, it very much looks like the mods have taken a swing at editing it, and proceeded to edit the 3 posts by Mostlynormal. Regain discussion from before infina's last post, and keep in mind that Mods be messing.

by **roband** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:59 pm UTC

I think you're too trusting Tim. I don't think that's what's happened at all. Infina knows, and I'd like him to tell me. It wouldn't surprise me that he didn't choose to notify you.

by **Mostlynormal** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:02 am UTC

As for me, I was just taking the chance to mess around while it wouldn't hold any consequences. My personal theory is that infina's just getting into the spirit of things.

Unvote

by **t1mm01994** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:07 am UTC

Fairly well. Ignore my last post and have fun.

by **_infina_** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:06 am UTC

roband wrote:Infina, as HILARIOUS as your mod-post is, will you tell us what you mean by it please?

I figure we will start a little bit of fun in here so that the mods don't have to do so on their own.
Day ∞ (ALT+236) will be a separate day, outside of the normal timeline that will last until mod madness is over or all players have died. Day 5 will resume at the end of Day ∞. New rolenames for Day ∞ only are as follows:
1. Angua - Nathan Fillion
2. Sungura - Gina Torres
3. BoomFrog - Alan Tudyk
4. Misnomer - Morena Baccarin
5. ForAllOfThis - Adam Baldwin
6. roband - Jewel Staite
7. mpolo - Sean Maher
8. Azrael001 - Summer Glau
9. Devourke - Ron Glass
10. Mostlynormal - Christina Hendricks

In the next 24 hours you should each receive a one-shot day power for use during Day ∞. HAVE FUN!
t1mm: you can send out the powers so long as you include me in the pm that gives them the power, so no one gets two powers.

by **roband** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:09 am UTC

Wonderful. I choose to not participate. Thanks.

by **Misnomer** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:45 am UTC

roband wrote:Wonderful. I choose to not participate. Thanks.

+1

by **_infina_** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:56 am UTC

roband wrote:Wonderful. I choose to not participate. Thanks.

We can continue, if you want to all have to triple-check your posts for any filters that change the entire meaning of your posts.

by **BoomFrog** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:07 am UTC

Yes, I'd like to keep playing the game I signed up for and I think mod madness makes the game more fun, not less. It may be more confusing for those new to the forum but most of them seem to have died anyway.

by **_infina_** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:50 am UTC

We Shall continue then.

by **ForAllOfThis** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:26 pm UTC

That is what happened last night. I claimed what information I got, I don't see what else I could do in this situation. Not-claiming would be stupid, especially thinking we got rid of the recruiters. If you had the same message from the mod as I did what would you do? Stay quiet about it?

by **Angua** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:50 pm UTC

I'm very confused about what's going on.......

I've had another abdominal migraine (since friday evening) which is why I've been out of commission as of late. I'd like to apologise - end of term does that to me sometimes because my body decides to break down when it gets a rest.

What was with the HULK thing?

by **Sungura** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:01 pm UTC

Oh...Mod Madness.

What fun.

I'll uh...just not play until it's over because theses threads will get so difficult to follow and no offense Im not interested in some weird temporary mini-game-within-this-game. I'm too sick to deal with this shit, sorry. I love MM normally and it's hillarious when people get pissed and raegquaat but I am honestly really sick right now and have started to wonder if I have lyme disease but I dont have insurance for a while still. Stuipid ticks I get when hiking to caves. Anyway.

Signing off for a day or two until end of mod madness.

by **Sungura** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:35 pm UTC

OOH OOH OOH my name is green and I am Sheldon! hehe. This amuses my sick confused brain.

(btw I meant signing off as in signing off mafia, i am not trying to re-read this thread until mod madness is over

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