The NEW Newbie Mafia: A clear mafia victory!

[KrazyNerd]

...Well, that was unexpected. So, we still have members from both mafias running around out there, and BXM, despite all his scummy behavior, was town. (Rodan, wasn't MaJ Mafia A?) *sigh* And with the way nearly everyone (including me) jumped on BXM yesterday, I don't really know what information we can glean from those voting patterns.

I looked at the Day 2 voting patterns, though, keeping in mind that BXM was town and MaJ was scum. I noticed that the first two people to vote for BXM were MaJ and Dark Loink. I don't know if that means anything...My mafia skills are still burned out from Death Note...I'll try to put up an analysis of DL later, though.

[Rodan]

And by Mafia B I might mean Mafia A.
To be perfectly clear:
The ones with the sniper rifle are all dead, the ones with the investigations are all alive.

[Rodan]

Apologies. The A/B thing is hella confusing. From now on, there is only one alive mafia, and it will be Mafia Steve.

[lanicita]

(Just so y'all know, I just updated the title as well as the first post. If more updating needs to be done or anything is wrong, you can PM me or post in the Moderation sticky.)

[KrazyNerd]

Wait, what? I'm pretty sure MaJ was A and e_e was A. If Rakushun was B, then we have 1 from A (sniper) left alive, and 2 from B (rolecop) left alive. Unless I've missed a post somewhere...

My head hurts...

[PossibleSloth]

I've got whiplash again

[Rodan]

Rakushun, Maj, and E_E were all part of a mafia we shall call Mafia Ted, e.g. the sniper mafia that is all dead.
The other mafia, the one we shall call Mafia Steve, e. g. the rolecop one, is still all pristine and alive.
There is only one mafia to worry about now.

[Dark Loink]

Alright, then. I have active lurked, I have not voted much, meh...

But, I'm going to start doing some post-by-posts, to try to make up for it.


So then…Okay, kolko's posts:

Spoiler:

Then our priorities should be

Kill mafia A which has the unblockable kill
Kill mafia B which has the ability to pick out vital roles

Why should B be second? Well, they would target mafia A for a kill if they found it.

We should try eliminating mafia A before they can use their unblockable kill, but after they have used it they will not have any powers left. We should go after mafia B then.

Come to think about it, A will probably have used their kill before we can come even close to eliminating them. I believe we should go for B first.

I would have found this more scummy had mafia A not be eliminated. Of course, kolko could still be in mafia B, use this as a defence. But I will not look that far into it unless kolko DOES use this as a defence.

IC: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... Challenged

Ah, Google is wonderful

Just an answer to a question some of us had. Not scummy or town. Just what IC meant.

I agree, NAR's post sets of my WIFOM-radar . I don't think a real townie would tell that so early in the game, especially if he was targeted by BXM only.

Vote: NAR

A wine radar, in a mafia game, will always be going off. “Oh, look, wine!”
A bit of a quick vote, yes because of an early roleclaim, but still too quick for my tastes. A little scummy there, not the worst however.

Okie dokie

May I propose another topic for discussion: should the commuters claim?

PRO:
Can coordinate when they'll be out of town, thus can be protected by a single doctor: will be important in the endgame
If they have the same role description can confirm each other (e.g. post 4th and 10th word, post an MD5 checksum, etc)

CON:
Will likely draw sniper fire, thus may not survive until endgame (note: if they don't claim, they're as likely as anyone else to be lynched, or nightkilled without doc cover)

PRO:
Sniper may get used early and not at a time when mafia can swing a win from N-2. (i'm not sure this is a huge pro)
Would allow the vig to claim and be doctored

I'm not sure what the best option here is, but we should consider it day 1.

I'm heading to the country for a week, my posting may be somewhat intermittant. I'm leaving my vote as is for the present. I suspect the "not town" thing is a typo rather than an admission of guilt, but it doesn't change my underlying argument. I'll try to check in as often as I can.

Commuter townies should not claim on day 1. The sniper will take one of them out and we have no way of checking if the rest didn't falseclaim.

Posting about how he disagrees with commuter claiming. That is good, showing where he stands.

Whoa! I'm gone for twelve hours and have two pages to read for my trouble.

Like Dark Loink, I'm a "slow voter." I know the vote trend right now is towards NaR, but MaJ and VectorZero also seem to be acting suspiciously. In the last two pages, both have had holes poked in their logic. MaJ made a slip that may or may not be telling. On the whole, this squabbling makes me think at least one of these three is scum. However, I'm hesitant to go for a lynch that would get rid of an experienced player this early in the game--you guys post a lot more than the rest of us, and I'm afraid the game might die without you.

A few other newbies have posted, with Kolko giving only one sentence before his/her vote. But as this is a newb game, I'll let that slide for now.

I'm sorry, I just don't see a lot of the things y'all do seem to see. I'll try to analyze the game a bit over the weekend.
Oh, and it's 'his'

Posting how yes, he was lurking a bit, and said that he also didn’t see as much wrong, so couldn’t post as much.I don’t get vibes from this, town or mafia.

I still stand by my vote on NAR, and I believe we should synchronize our votes more, we're spreading, that's not good.
I also saw something interesting while rereading this thread.
First Nar tells us that mafia A should be eliminated. When I say we should go after B he quickly says we can't know which is which. This has already been established as strong evidence that he is in B.
Then Rakushan posts, agreeing completely with NAR and saying we should go after A. They post only 2 minutes apart from each other. Imho, that's a sign of mafia B trying to cover up each other, I think Rakushan could very well be with NAR in mafia B.

I'm starting to get the hang of this

That…scummy. “ I believe we should synchronize our votes more, we're spreading, that's not good.” So…that is saying we should bandwagon. And not spread apart to different candidates. Bandwagon. That is a lot more scummy than his other posts.

I was looking through the topic again, to see if anyone had played with e_e to spot possible mafia links. These looked suspicious to me:

But I know that I'm not town,

Wait, what?

But I know that I'm not town

Excuse me?

They posted 1 minute apart, basically saying exactly the same. But for the rest of the game e_e seems to have suspected VZ and Maj posted that only 20 minutes before the posts, so maybe not that suspicious.

This however was odd:

I'm just naturally a very defensive player. Anyone can tell you that.

This is the second time you've recommended we metagame in your favor. While I'm not against metagaming on the whole, to do so in a newbie game, where a majority of the players have never even interacted with you, is inadvisable. It forces the newbies to take the word of a few experienced players, who may or may not have ulterior motives. We should focus on how players are behaving NOW, rather than how they've played in the past.

I am very much behind this sentiment.

In the same breath, I am not actually all that behind a NaR lynch, if only because it's a newbie game and well, NaR is trying to improve his game here. I'd like to give him another day to see if he can do better.

In the meantime, I'm going to buck the trend and vote: VZ

Again, e_e tries to get Maj killed, and this time she does by agreeing with KrazyNerd. Possible link here?

This post is a bit of speculation with the dead mafia, so, not too scummy. However, not too much of a link I would have noticed, to be honest. Not the most town either, again, mixed.

I'm sorry for posting so little, I'll try to be more active.

My view for the moment is that Maj tries a little too hard to deflect the attention from him. It could also be a town-tactic, but I suspect he is scum, though not in e_e's mafia. I'm going to Vote: Maj to get things going.

This post is saying what has been noticed in MaJ, and a quick vote, even claimed to be a vote to get things going. MaJ did seem scummy however, meta in his favor, so, no big issues.

Am I creation or evolution? This is important.

My view for the moment is that Maj tries a little too hard to deflect the attention from him. It could also be a town-tactic, but I suspect he is scum, though not in e_e's mafia. I'm going to Vote: Maj to get things going.

Actually, I really don't understand this reasoning. Why would a townie react differently to a mafia under scrutiny? Would a townie just go "Oh, well, I've got all of this focus on me, better give up now"?

No.

You're doing it again. In my opinion you're just overreacting to every accusation against you, even my minor accusation. It's just that I think that's more scum than town, that's all...

This post makes sense, to be honest. I don’t find scum in this post.

Wait a minute, can I get some votals? I don't think I got counted

Not that much to say, this post is only about vote count.

I'm sorry for posting so little, I'll try to be more active.

My view for the moment is that Maj tries a little too hard to deflect the attention from him. It could also be a town-tactic, but I suspect he is scum, though not in e_e's mafia. I'm going to Vote: Maj to get things going.

Haven’t i…seen this post already? Sorry…I think I did something wrong.
Can we resurrect BXM [/quote]
Seems to want BMX back a bit…but he did miss his vote, so again, make sense.

A doctor dead, that's bad... Let's hope the other survives longer

Okay, That makes sense, Doctor=good, town and scum will say this.

I think BXM is a safe bet. Since he got resurrected he's done nothing but defending himself and discrediting VZ. I know it's definitely possible that VZ is scum, but I don't think we should vote him just yet.
Just to get noticed this time:
Vote: BXM

Course, you wanted Brook back. But, this is his thoughts on the two canadates, so, whatever.

Sorry for lurking.

About BXM: I really wasn't convinced by the arguments MaJ made against him yesterday. Brook's arguments against going after mafia A were perfectly reasonable from a strategy standpoint, but sound a lot like deflection coming from him. Plus, he doesn't seem to be trying very hard to defend himself. I'm not sure enough to vote, but I can certainly understand people's suspicions.

What makes me nervous is how quickly he gathered votes and that people aren't offering much reasoning behind them. Could people voting BXM explain your reasoning? It might be tempting for mafia to quickly lynch someone who barely escaped being lynched yesterday.

About VZ: The reason I brought up the apparent overnight 180 in your feelings about BXM: It occurred to me that if mafia B found a power role with an investigation, they might try to get that player lynched. I've been looking for someone to suddenly attack a player they hadn't been suspicious of. I don't think you're scum, but if BXM turns out to be a doctor or commuter I'll be worried about you.

Really, if you've got anyone else who is suspicious I'd be happy to consider it. Right now BXM is the only player who seems suspicious enough to recieve a vote and we've gotta vote someone to get on with the game.

That…again, a vote that we need to bandwagon to speed game up.
These posts are the ones that make me think kolko would be scum…saying, pretty much, that we should band wagon. Not a good thing.

[KrazyNerd]

Thanks for clearing that up, Rodan. So, we have three mafia left, and now they're working together, not against each other. That means we can't count on opposing mafia members taking each other out anymore.

Still too short on time right now to post any analyses...Kolko wanting a bandwagon probably isn't the most townie of sentiments. I agree with that part of DL's post-by-post. This is a newbie game, though, and I'm not sure how much is scumtell and how much is inexperience with game strategies.

[VectorZero]

Damn you, Steve!

[mister k]

I'm actually sad that I was proven right, as me being correct doesn't help town in this case. Well, we can be fairly sure at least one of this list (MusicKale KrazyNerd VZ Kolko Knightshire) is scum, as they voted for town. As we deadlined, I suspect that not all the mafia voted.

2. Nikc
3. Dark Loink
4. PossibleSloth
6. KrazyNerd
7. mister k
9. Blue_eyedspacemonkey
10. Kolko
12. MusicKale
13. VectorZero
16. cycoden
18Knightshire

So people who failed to vote include Nikc, Dark Loink, Possible sloth, Blueeyedspacemonkey AND cyoden.

Sigh. If you are town COMMIT yourself before a deadline. Theres going to be a lynch. If you think neither candidate is scum, then voting no lynch would actually be better than doing nothing.

voters for NAr who are still alive

Not a Raptor: 9 (Nikc, Cycoden, Kolko, Mister K, Possible Sloth, VZ, Mpolo)


Day 2 votes

BXM: 6 (MaJ, DL, BESM, KrazyNerd, MusicKale, Rodan,)
MaJ: 5 (Brook, PS, Cycoden, Mister K, Knightshire,VZ,Kolko)

(I think, official counts were hazy!)

DARk Loink, why was brooklyn worth a vote day 2 and not day 3? Why did you not vote. FOS:DL for sure. You have failed to vote too many times, your votes are often useless flip flops. You are seriously feeling like scum trying to hide in the background.


Now, considering how bloody long night took, I'm guessing at least one of our scum is quite possibly lurking, which makes blueeyedspacemonkey and cyoden look suspicious.

I still think though that the scummiest vibes are coming from VZ.

So, vote:VZ

However, anyone who doesn't get their act together and goddamn post today are going to get my vote instead. I'm tired of this inactivity.

[blue_eyedspacemonkey]

So people who failed to vote include Nikc, Dark Loink, Possible sloth, Blueeyedspacemonkey AND cyoden.

Well, I'm happy to
vote: BXM

He does seem the best candidate we have, the VZ jumpiness doesn't seem enough for a vote, and we have no other suspects.

Er....excuse me?

[mister k]

oops, sorry. Stupid lack of voting lists!

[Dark Loink]

DARk Loink, why was brooklyn worth a vote day 2 and not day 3? Why did you not vote. FOS:DL for sure. You have failed to vote too many times, your votes are often useless flip flops. You are seriously feeling like scum trying to hide in the background.

Well, to be fair, most of my-wait. I'm meta gameing, and have only been in two games, so that doesn't really work.

Well, i based my brook vote off of what MaJ had said, off of the assumption that MaJ was town. When he wasn't, I felt i had to re-think voting brook in the first place. Of course, I'm still working on some of my post-by-posts, again, because then i will find someone more from who i think is scummy, rather than have to base it moreso on what the others bring up against other people.

But yes, I have not voted very much, don't like to push bandwagons until I am more sure person is scum.

[PossibleSloth]

@Mister K:

Would you mind explaining your suspicions of VZ for me. You didn't seem to find him suspicious until yesterday and now you're convinced he's scum. As far as I can tell, your case against him is "He's been pretty scummy all game". He has posted crap reasoning a few times, but you seem to have found more than that. Care to share?

@Dark Loink:

Yea, I'm suspicious of you. After reading your analysis of Kolko, I can't tell if you think he's town or scum. You seem to be leaning towards scum on him but you never actually say it, which is what you're being criticized for. The only reason not to say what you think is if you are scum and afraid of implicating fellow scum. Take a stand!

Summary of my thoughts:
Possible Scum:
2. Nikc
3. Dark Loink
9. Blue_eyedspacemonkey
10. Kolko

Likely Town:
6. KrazyNerd
12. MusicKale
16. cycoden

Unsure:
7. mister k (pending reasons for voting VZ)
13. VectorZero
18. Knightshire

[Kolko]

I guess I should defend myself against DL's accusations, shouldn't I? As far as I can see his main concern is that I was trying to create bandwagons, which is close, but not exact. I thought we should either lynch a target most of us wanted to lynch, or not lynch at all. If we all vote for too much targets we'll end up lynching someone with only a few votes and I was trying to prevent that. Maybe I was wrong, but I still can't see what's wrong with my idea.

[mister k]

If we were only ever to lynch by chance, we would never lynch, as the chances are always greater of hitting town.....unless mafia already have 50% or more, at which point, we are screwed.

I may have been a little obtuse, but you've completely missed my point. TOWN CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE A and B! We need to hit all scum. If we try to take out mafia A when there's a more likely scum but who happens to be obviously B, we are more likely to hit town. Yes, it would be great if we could take out A. I'll settle for any scum. Let's put you aside for the moment: you're obviously not Mafia A. If we find the three remaining scummiest players, how do you determine which to lynch, when you can't be sure any of them even are scum?

VZ: I am going to laugh my ass off when you eventually lynch me and find I am town.

Yeah, you've said that before.

So yeah losing a vanilla townie isn't the worst thing to happen to the town, just make sure those responsible for my death are justly punished.

This was probably the post that led me to want to vote for VZ. He'd been doing vaguely scummy things all game. The day 1 furore I was willing to let go, but in hindsight it was a nice move from scum, especially in a newbie game, where one of our commuters might have been led by his logic to a claim, which would have been a bad idea then.

So thats why he gets the vote, he looks scummiest to me. Dark Loink is looking pretty bad to me too, and, as I say, I'd really like to hear from everyone today. We have 11 survivors and 3 mafia, we have two doctors and 2 commuters, we're in pretty good shape, as long as the town keeps on posting and keeps on thinking. I'd personally be fairly happy with a DL lynch or a VZ lynch at the moment.

[VectorZero]

I understand why you think I was scummy for saying that. However, bear in mind BXM was almost lynched the day before, so there was existing reason to think he was scummy anyway: I really thought he was trying to divert attention from himself. Here's the first part of that conversation you quoted, for full disclosure.

I have this to add: Mafia A is down to one member. We were promised we'd hear the sharpshooter. We should atleast try to ferret out the last member of mafia A today, as I think if we do they don't get the chance to use their one-shot unblockable, AND it may open up the floor to the commuters claiming for protection.

I am pretty sure we agreed day 1 mafia A dead before using their kill was decidedly pro-town.

Other then that, I have nothing to say. KN at the least seems to be utterly convinced I am mafia, and several others seem leaning that way as well.

*sigh*

You've just convinced me you're in mafia B. You've harped on so much today about the benefits of wiping out mafia A, I can only think you're deflecting attention from yourself. Obviously its a good thing, we all know this. However, mafia B are the only cops! For townies, a random scummy scumbag is 3 times as likely to be in mafia B than A. Let me put it this way: there are 14 players left. Only 1 is in mafia A. 1/14 chance to rule out two kills, better if someone trips up. I think the chance of BXM being mafia B is better than that.

Having said that, Rakushun is really bothering me: he stuck up for MaJ, he voted for Rodan the doctor, and he's been lurking. Could he be the last mafia A and didn't get the kill in?

If we aren't going to get flavour anytime soon, can we please know why there was only one NK?

Also FOS poprocks and coke and kolko: there are TWO doctors left alive

Note also I was the first, AFAICT, to point at Rakushun as mafia A, and I was right. Clearly I was wrong about the differentiating mafia A and B, I was thinking too much about the mafia B having cops and the town having none.

After my post you quoted, you said

Actually we can attempt to search for mafia A. In fact, the remainder is the most easy to find- someone whom EE and MaJ agreed with- we have the most info about A, and have none about B.

Brook is probably right in that we should attempt to kill off A... but if theres gonna be a modkill anyway then never mind. I'm gonna wait and see what happens before posting more thoughts. I'm also not capable of thinking at the moment..

and I replied

... Ok, I overstated my case somewhat. It's not completely impossible to distinguish the two groups. As I said earlier, rakushun is a potential mafia A residue, there may be similar others. I got distracted by BXM diverting attention from himself. Either way, I'd like to hear others opinions, especially rakushun.

Rakushun was modkilled, and I still thought BXM was the scummiest for having diverted attention from himself. Hence my vote.

I've said this before about the commuter-claim discussion: I wanted to get discussion going, to hear others' thoughts; I never advocated they claimed.

[PossibleSloth]

This game has stalled, so I'm gonna:

vote: Dark Loink

to see if that gets things moving. I understand there might be a case against VZ but I don't think we should get rid of him yet.

Hopefully people will post more after the weekend.

[mister k]

Yeah, I think I'm pretty happy with a DL lynch for now, I still don't trust VZ, but DL has not helped town to my mind, so yeah.


unvote
vote: Dark Loink.

[Rodan]

Votals:
2 Dark Loink (Mister k, PossibleSloth)
6 to lynch

Rough time limit: 72 hours from now.

[VectorZero]

While I like people not voting for me and, even better, voting for not-me, in the interests of fair play I should point out DL is apparently away all weekend.

[mister k]

Well, to be fair, so is everyone else in the thread! I'm actually tending towards lynching a lurker even.. I'm pretty sure at least one mafia has been lurking thus far.

[cycoden]

Heya. Please forgive my tardiness (again). I don't expect to have to do a lot of overtime this week, so I should be round more often.

A quick review indicates that the arguments against Loink appear at least superficially valid, but I will undertake a more considered review prior to deadline (ie: its on my to-do list for tomorrow).

[PossibleSloth]

DL is apparently away all weekend.

If DL comes back with some good postage or if more people start talking I'll unvote. I'm just sick of this game sitting for days without any action.

Ahh! And there's a time limit now too! Speak lurkers! Let your voices be heard!

[Knightshire]

Sorry for lurking. I don't like this bandwagon against Dark Loink. There aren't much other suspects besides VZ(which I actually don't find too scummy) so I'm afraid that people will just hop onto it because we have a deadline. So I agree with PS that we should wait for him to come back, but I think it's too early to vote or even FoS.

[Rodan]

Utilizing the lack of nooses and discussion, a few shady figures sneak into the Randall's Kitten Orphanage. As the sinister figures disperse, their work accomplished, the Kitten Orphanage is destroyed by an explosion of fire and adorable kitten guts. Clearly, the mafia are a terrible bunch of kitten-murdering people and should be lynched. So get to it!
(that was purely flavour text and has not affected or been influenced by the game in any way.)

Post More!

Time limit extended to the end of Friday.
If there's still such a lack of activity at that point, action will have to be taken, so don't let it come to that. For now I'll modprod the more lurky ones.

Incidentally, the playerlist seems to have Nar listed as alive, even though he's not. Take note of that.

[PossibleSloth]

Sigh... This game isn't fun anymore.

Dark Loink is at the top of my list for now, followed by spacemonkey, nikc and kolko for these reasons

There's not much else to say until people speak up but if I promise I'll unvote if there's a bandwagon.

Sorry for lurking. I don't like this bandwagon against Dark Loink. There aren't much other suspects besides VZ(which I actually don't find too scummy) so I'm afraid that people will just hop onto it because we have a deadline. So I agree with PS that we should wait for him to come back, but I think it's too early to vote or even FoS.

It's never too early to vote, only too early to lynch. I'll unvote if I think scum are bandwagoning, but at this point I doubt people have even noticed I voted. Anything that gets people talking at this point is pro-town.

Also, if you don't find Dark Loink scummy DEFEND HIM! Say WHY you think he's town and get some discussion going. If you see something I've missed I'd be happy to re-evaluate my position. We don't need to wait for Dark Loink to defend himself if you have a compelling argument to make.

Those kittens deserve justice

[VectorZero]

Grr. I had a long post with links, which IE on the work PC ate, so it's back to the iPhone.

Anyway. I've been trying to minimise my influence, since I feel I ran 2 of the bandwagons so far, and my demise will leave the town little to analyse in future days. But it looks like little analysis will happen anyway, so...

So far, DL has acted the same way in each of the games he's in. I don't think his play is especially scummy. Nikc is also playing consistently for him (ie lurky). I think DL made a fair point against kolko, who adequately refuted it. Still, IGMEOY, kolko.

That leaves BESM of PS's list of 4. I would like to see more input from her.

Despite mister k's attack on me, I think he's town: his analyses have been well reasoned so far (wrong, but well reasoned! I did review his posts trying to find something scummy: nothing.) PS also strikes me as town, mostly gut feeling however.

[Dark Loink]

Hey, I'ma being attacked.

What i said was kolko seemed scummy for some posts, and town for others, no i didn't come up with a full conclusion at the end, because...i couldn't make one. Some of kolko's posts made sense, made him seem town, while others were more scummy, i had felt. Yes, again, i don't post too much or make too many opinions, but i seem to be one of the main people looked at right now.
However, the votes against me are getting conversation going, people stating opinions, which is always a good thing.

I guess I should defend myself against DL's accusations, shouldn't I? As far as I can see his main concern is that I was trying to create bandwagons, which is close, but not exact. I thought we should either lynch a target most of us wanted to lynch, or not lynch at all. If we all vote for too much targets we'll end up lynching someone with only a few votes and I was trying to prevent that. Maybe I was wrong, but I still can't see what's wrong with my idea.

And again, I suppose this makes sense, but it seemed as if trying to get votes done quickly. Yes, we don't want everyone voting for different people, maybe, but we would be seeing how people act by how they are when voted for. I understand a bit when people said random lynching is bad, but voting could be good. You get info when you place pressure on people, but since people play different, it is hard to know what ot make of that info.

[VectorZero]

DL: who do you think is town, and who do you think is scum (and who do you think is a Lurky McScumpants for whom lynching would be too good?)

Posting is good. Posting opinions to analyse in the unfortunate event of your death is better.

[MusicKale]

Sooo after the BXM incident, I'm not gonna vote quite as fast. Plus, I'm probably not the best judge... I didn't catch e_e, and wrongfully accused BXM. (Kinda suspected MaJ, but he was keeping us going, so...)

We ONLY have role cop mafia people left! Which is kinda bad... If anyone's gonna vote, it should be for a reason they explain! Or else something super obvious... like someone saying "Oh I'm mafia!!!" I mean, you don't vote for NO reason! Explain, even if it's not the best reason!

That being said, sorry for being away for so long! I wasn't getting the emails, so I figured it just... dropped! My bad... I'll catch up, give it until tomorrow, then vote or at VERY least FoS someone.

[PossibleSloth]

Yay! Now that people are back i'll

unvote

I don't know Dark Loink, but if he's just a cautious player I'll try not to hold it against him too much.

[VectorZero]

I wasn't getting the emails.

um. Which emails would they be?

[MusicKale]

At the bottom, you can subscribe to get email alerts. I figured since I don't check bookmarks often, that would be a nice reminder that I have something going on that I need to check up on. 'Cause I'm in the middle of book review stuff, and so when I AM online, I like to do everything at once.

[blue_eyedspacemonkey]

Sorry people, was away for the weekend etc.

@VZ: I don't see how meta-gaming defend's Nikc's lurkiness? I don't know, as a Newbie, that that's how he plays, so don't think his lurking should be written off as nothing. Especially as no one else's is
Same really goes for your defence of DL, although I don't really find him that scummy myself.

[VectorZero]

I wasn't defending either of them, merely saying that their play was not inconsistent. For you, I can make no such statement. Note I did not consider you especially scummy: I only gave a quick opinion on PS's list of lurky types. However, good to have you back. (The beer's in the fridge.)

[mister k]

Hmm, my thoughts on scum and town... I am mostly in flux at the moment, I feel the need to read through this thread at some point, possibly today while I avoid work. As I say, I'm still thinking DL and VZ as scum. I'm liking VZ's recent posts, and actually, lynching someone who has heavily contributed is probably a bad idea just to keep the game alive! I'm liking possible sloth's analysis, and I'm really going to make an effort to look at lurkers. I'm close to certain at least one lurker=scum, so further investigation is definitely warranted. I'll unvote for now, but am quite happy to add that back on again with some added thought.

[VectorZero]

Careful! Don't let the dulcet tones of that Scummy McMafiapants VZ convince you he is in fact town. Although he is devilishly handsome and should be forgiven for any prior trespasses.

[blue_eyedspacemonkey]

I wasn't defending either of them, merely saying that their play was not inconsistent. For you, I can make no such statement. Note I did not consider you especially scummy: I only gave a quick opinion on PS's list of lurky types. However, good to have you back. (The beer's in the fridge.)

Fair do's, it just merely seemed like you were defending them, not merely commenting. Cheers for the alcohol!
Although I am lurking and thus am under suspiscion myself, I do think that at least one of the lurkers are likely to be scum. We keep mentioned lynching a lurker but we've always found a better* candidate, thus allowing possible scum to stay beneath the radar.



*For varying values of 'better' once alignment was revealed post-lynch.