First of all, I apologize. I didn’t really spend the night searching through old games looking for games with multiple protection powers and only one killing faction. This is actually a big project, and would require a spreadsheet to do it properly, since Vicarin would probably want to debate the results after I was done and proved him wrong, by questioning whether I categorized jailer as protective, or whether the third party was actually a serial killer or merely a third party with a kill and a target (The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo, I remember that one because I loved that setup so much, hi dimochka!).
I go in to every night cycle with the absolute certainty that I will be night killed, so I wanted to spend my last few hours working toward the town win condition, even if it means Vicarin gets the last word. I can put aside my massively huge ego for the common goal. I also wanted to make sure I made some posts and talked, even though it appears BoomFrog doesn’t believe posting in the thread and talking is necessarily pro town. I disagree. Silence can be explained (soooooooorrrry, I was too busy last night to post!). Active lurking is harder to dismiss.
Even discussion that appears active lurky can be useful in unexpected ways. Sometimes the poster can scum slip, or cause someone else to scum slip out of frustration. Or perhaps hidden connections will reveal themselves. So conclusion, I believe talking is always
bessie’s setup spec: 7/2/1
Ajah assignments and powers: I think that Vicaran’s win condition is at least partially dependant on guessing this. So I decline to state at this time. And yes, I am bessie, I have a guess for everyone’s Ajah and power.
Note: Some of the above is contained in my confirmation phase Gojoe post. I have a secret personal secondary win condition of trying to guess everyone’s Ajah (or other role) pre game.
Roles, factional abilities and other speculations. Pre post edit: Changed my mind, not posting most of this today.
Mafia: Day chat, factional kill, [redacted].
Town: [Oh wouldn’t you like to know! Because everyone knows bessie is pretty good at setup spec!]
Independent: [Someone out there already knows this one!]
bessie’s reason for believing there are three factions: I am gaming the game.
jimmodmacdoodle wrote:Players were assigned their Ajahs before alignments were determined.
In order for this to work, I think there needs to be at least three factions. Most powers are worthless to mafia if there are only one town faction and one mafia faction. However
, I do allow that there is some wiggle room in that one benefit to mafia having a power like a watcher or doc is that town doesn’t have it.
BoomFrog’s been much in my thoughts (and really, how could he not be?). Nothing will ever top Newbie New Year, but this one was close. As I alluded to when I posted my BoomDog analysis (refer to this post
) I think looking at the former will give clues to the later. Interestingly, heury is the only one that followed me on this, see this post
and my very important reply here
heuristically_alone wrote: I find it interesting that Vicarin's reaction to the oracle gambit and woofing gambit was pretty similar. Makes sense that the way he thinks hasnt changed. My worry is that he knows his genuine frustration got him town read by boomfrog so copied his reaction. Is he a good enough scum player to fake a genuine reaction?
One of my reasons for posting the BoomDog summary. Everyone in this game except Mark should have been in the “players who got it and defended me” group. And even more importantly, everyone should have consciously known
that was the correct group to be in.
Interestingly, Mark is in the correct group too, and he probably shouldn’t be.
moody was misread as scum in NNY for “not getting it”, but we know now that was his natural townie reaction, not a scummy one. Interestingly, moody made sure he was in the correct group this time, and fully supported the gambit, going so far as to agree with BoomOracle’s scum read of me
So why didn’t Vicarin go along?
1. Genuinely doesn’t get it?
2. Partner with moody, figured only one of them should sheep?
3. Indie, decided it would be best to act as he did last time when he was town and go for another “natural townie frustration” read?
4. Partner with BoomFrog.
There was such a noticeable change in Vicarin’s tone
after the "pulling back of the curtain", that I was leaning #3, and totally did not seriously consider #4. I’m rethinking that now, after the content on this page (page 8 as I type this up).
Side note, I had considered that Mark was in the “correct group” because he was being coached in scum chat (reminded me of SDK and LaserGuy in Dark Tower); he’s calm and perceptive, and he gets it. But Mark’s reaction to my remark here
was immediate and so natural, and I very much doubt he would have made that post if scum have day chat.
Now back to #4, well, I’m not a fast or organized thinker and ideally would need to think about it more, but I don’t have the luxury of time. Its 1:00 am in California, and I’m supposed to be at work early tomorrow. I’ll see if I can organize my thoughts. Or sleep. Probably neither, I will lie awake for a couple of hours thinking. Because if BoomFrog and Vicarin are a team, I need to also rethink my setup spec, and how moody fits in to it.
Interestingly, I had totally planned to back off Vicarin tonight, but this post
was the last straw. I spend the entire day with people that can’t let it go, won’t admit they are wrong, must always have the last word, even if it is detrimental to the common goal. I’m used to hearing “well maybe it appears I was wrong, but in reality you were wrong” all day, and it rings just as false there too.
How interesting that BoomFrog has too many town. I have too many scum.
mpolo, would just a single vote every day fulfill your secondary win condition?