(I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but I believe everything in here is worthwhile posting. Please read carefully in the event of my death.)
- read page 3 again (and page 4 now)
- read jimbob
- recheck dimochka's big post
- post a full reads list before nightfall
- lynch scum
Lots going on, but nothing to question that I wouldn't rather leave for my player read throughs. We've got a lot of interaction this game. This has been a fantastic Day 1 for content.
So on to jimbob, specifically whether or not he was in damage-control mode... I don't see it. The only part of his play re: the serial killer thing that is concerning is his pushing attention away to others, but I read that more as testing you, bessie, than diverting attention away from himself. Your logic was inconsistent. In every single post that mentions this he's talking about other things, and specifically replying to your accusations that he is a serial killer, so I'm not sure what you're seeing here. You needled him a bit, but then jumped on him primarily because he thought you were implying he was a serial killer, but you never said that, right? If he'd made that leap himself I might agree that looks bad, but you did strongly imply it in this post
bessie wrote:Hmm, you think a serial killer is likely, but we shouldn’t worry about it? I harassed Carlington a lot in Diablo for downplaying the threat of a serial killer. And he was the serial killer.
So... this is not a concern.
dimochka: Reading his posts one-after-the-other without reading anybody else's has made my thinking about his defensiveness slip in a negative direction slightly. I think his 3rd on the wagon defence was probably unnecessary, given it was a joke FoS as far as I can tell. His comment here about his PGO statement:
dimochka wrote:FWIW this is in reference to the Pokemon game two months ago where I claimed PGO in my first D1 post. I was not PGO. and I was town. Does not mean anything regarding my role this game, but figured I'd explain.
is very weird when you realise that PyPokemon was 14 months ago, not two (and surely his memory would tell him that it wasn't that recent). I don't get why he felt that he too easily backed down from his first vote on me, since he was stating that his vote was not serious, and meta on these forums is to unvote random votes once serious votes start piling on (I don't have an issue with him actually backing down at all). I think this was what was [url="http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=4186501#p4186501"]bothering me previously[/url] about that post. It wasn't that his explanation was flimsy, it was that it was completely unnecessary. FTR, I don't think there is an issue with his bessie and BoomFrog town reads stated in the same post, as long as he explains them later (which he did to some extent in his next post). Leaning scum.
Not sure about this explanation for jimbob's scummy read on dimochka. That's a big change from his last post on the subject
where he said he didn't like my case. I'm not sure what jimbob could be getting out of this if he was scum though - why not vote the first time? Why the change of pace? The points he brings up are slightly different, but this actually looks more like a bus than anything, so worth taking another look after dimochka flips scum.
Besides that his play seems very solid for the most part. Good reasoning on people, asking questions and following up on meaningful tangents. I'm going to call him neutral for now and wait for dimochka's flip.
Next up: recheck dimochka? Okay. His big reads post
got praise from several people, but I'm not a big fan. He comes to no solid conclusions and ends up voting someone (jimbob) which dimochka has listed as a neutral. He has no real scum reads, and only a couple of actual town reads. Some of his reasoning is... reasonable, but the reasoning for the jimbob vote is quite terrible. If dimochka flips scum, jimbob's wagon should be a great place to suss out the rest of the team.
PS: dimochka basically ducked and covered after that post, so, yeah, he's still scum.
Reads list, GO!YOLOSWAG
: I'm going to start here because I wanted to ask about something specific to dimochka. YOLOSWAG is scattershot, prodding many different people for many different reasons. Some is picking up on decent things, which seems to be more investigating-townie than nitpicking-scum. Others, not so much.
Major concern: his vote for jimbob feels very out of place. YOLOSWAG
, you gave your reasoning for voting jimbob here
, and I can definitely accept your interpretation. Is there anything else though? What about the rest of his content? More importantly, did you read dimochka's reasoning for voting jimbob before you followed him onto the wagon? Did you actually think you were following a good thing here?
He also discusses lynching for information
, something that always sets me on edge. YOLOSWAG
, I asked a question
related to that, but haven't gotten a reply.
Overall, could be scum.Zyth
: I can see the townie mindset behind almost everything he's doing. Answers questions easily, and though he doesn't post a lot, what he picks on is solid. Probably town.LaserGuy
: I didn't like his approach to me at first regarding my early flippancy, but apparently I'm an abrasive, caustic, uncooperative, antagonistic jerk. Little townie things like this
keep stacking up...
LaserGuy wrote:bessie - Has spent most of her time poking at jimbob about indies and SKs. Feels that we should in principle be able to pick out the difference between a loner anti-town indie and coordinating mafia, which seems reasonable to me. Only read is on jimbob, who she puts as anti-town. Mentions her townie curse meta for the benefit of the new players...
She's tunneling pretty hard on jimbob, which is consistent with her meta. She hasn't read anyone else yet at all, which isn't really, though she's mentioned some IRL issues. Would like to see some reads on other players. In particular, what's your opinion of dimochka? There's something else that's pinging me just a bit, but I'm going to have to go and reread some of her older games to see if it's worth mentioning. Making her as Neutral for now.
... and his reads have been consistent and consistently solid as far as I can tell (again, other than his read on me). Probably town.mpolo
: I think mpolo is probably telling the truth about the missed daychat thing, based in no small part on the fact that he's town. This read is based partly on meta, but mostly just the feeling I get reading his posts. There is no ulterior motive here, no agenda he's pushing towards. He's passive, maybe, but he's town.plytho
: Probably town, asking questions, reading stuff, etc etc. He's certainly paying attention, which can be difficult to do when scum, especially when you're new to the game and need to focus so much of your energy on acting. I haven't picked up on anything 100% townie to make this a sure thing, but it's solid.bessie
: bessie just feels like such a townie, but I don't think I've ever played a game where I was town as she was scum. When we were on a scum team together, I certainly noted that as a strength of hers. Anyway, this game she feels pretty natural in most things she's doing. She's here, getting dirty with the rest of us, and digging into the game well. The one big red flag for me is her interactions with jimbob. Tunneling early on is pretty common for bessie, but this time it feels different, and has from the beginning. Someone should have called her on her faulty logic earlier, but now that I found that quote of hers that tears down most of what she was attacking jimbob for, it just feels wrong. Bessie is thorough. Always. I find it hard to believe she wouldn't have found that herself.
Overall, neutral for now. We'll see what she says to this now that I've dug it up. Might be a good place to start Day 2 depending how things shake out.BoomFrog
: Lots to talk about, nothing to conclude. He was obviously playing around to start with, then made a vote for dimochka which I was obviously okay with. This post
, though, was too wrong to be the truth. Whether he was lying or playing around, I wasn't sure, so I decided to let it lie for the moment, see who jumped which way before I attacked BoomFrog for it. Considering his pull back the curtain
post mirrors my thoughts at the time, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to that gambit. It had potential, his story is plausible, he's carried on from there asking some decent questions and coming to some decent conclusions. The only thing stopping me from calling him probably town is his errors. He's not paying enough attention to the game, instead paying more attention to his tricks and his image. The self-centered nature of his play pushes him to "maybe scum".Gopher of Pern
Gopher of Pern wrote:I don't think that's very likely, but I do get the sense that mpolo is the type of player that may deliberately make that slip as scum, to throw off players. I was less sure of jimbob doing that deliberately.
Really? I guess I have a very different opinion of mpolo. You sticking to that despite his other content in thread?
Gopher of Pern wrote:Dimochka: Was initially very weird. Would make points, then back off them unnecessarily, I feel. Then a big analysis post, which seems ok on the surface, but ultimately doesn't say a lot. Then promises to answer questions later, but hasn't replied since. Having looked a bit closer, I can see why the wagon is hitched, and I can't say I blame them. I'd very possibly vote for them if they weren't at L-1.
I don't like this read. If dimochka flips town, I'm coming for you. Otherwise... I might still be coming for you, actually. Need more content. Your reads are partial. Maybe scum.FrozenFlame
: He's on dimochka early (at least, once you consider his vote for plytho an error), but from that one post I can't tell if he's actually being serious. Later he says he is, but that's when the wagon's at L-1, and the bit of buddying (with me) as a side-dish there makes me wonder if this is a bus. dimochka/YOLO/Frozen scumteam? Neutral pending further content.Carlington
: His first reads post
felt townie, but is pretty typical of Carlington's play overall (I should actually go back and find a Carlington scum game). Not a huge amount of meat, but it's fine. This post
, though, is much more concerning:
Nah, this time I was just waiting to see whether anyone would react to what BoomFrog seems to be doing here
BoomFrog wrote:6. Carlington - So townie it hurts. Excellent into post, well done Carlington.
What was so spectacularly townie about Carlington’s post? His first post doesn’t have an unambiguous opinion on anyone, and his second post is mostly a noncommittal speculation about the setup and a concern that I’m tunneling on jimbob. He had to be modprodded to make his first post, and unfortunately, it looks like business as usual for Carlington and we’re going to need a modprod to get post #3.
. I'm going to put you as town for now, based on the combination of you having been the first person to speak up about what was, frankly, a weird read and the fact that you were so forthcoming in your opinion in doing so.
This was in reference to BoomFrog's big reveal. I can't think of a good reason for a townie to wait here. Scum, on the other hand, get the pulse of the thread and react accordingly. Maybe scum.Carlington
, any comment on why you wanted to wait? What were you waiting for?jimbobmacdoodle
: See above. Neutral.dimochka
: See above. Almost certainly scum.
#HBC | Zyth
#HBC | YOLOSWAG
Gopher of Pern
YOLOSWAG gets to be neutral now that I see my scum shortlist mirrors his own.
PEDIT: Actually, he can be probably town now that he's preemptively answered one of my questions to him.