adnapemit wrote:I was hoping for someone to have an investigation result or more specifically I hoped another player might have investigation abilities and found a scum player. I had a one shot alignment cop ability which I used last night. I used it on Diemo and got a result of town. I want to trust this result but then that means freezeblade was lynched by 3 of town.
I agree with Diemo’s remark here:
Diemo wrote:snap's post is pretty suspicious as well. one-shot cop is an easy claim for scum (after all, they know who scum is, unless they happen to hit the SK or an independent), and she seems really sure that Alpha is not in the mafia. I don't think it is out of the question for him to be in the mafia at all.
My first thought was that I didn’t believe adnapemit because I don’t believe her power is a one-shot cop, but as I was writing this I realized that’s not what she claimed. I would be quite surprised if we only have a single one-shot cop, because it is pretty typical to have a cop in a mafia game, so perhaps someone else has one too or will receive one (maybe from the chair?). But this is just speculation and Diemo already warned somewhere that trying to game the system doesn’t always work.
Some posts about Alpha serial killer:
adnapemit wrote:This strongly suggests it's Alpha or possibly a controlled doll that did the killing. Alpha indeed used a knife to kill lots of people with surgical precision in the show. If it was Alpha then I also think that mafia's kill has been blocked and we have a SK.
dimochka wrote:One quick note that I thought of as I was reading through flavor. It does sound like the cuts come from Alpha so it is likely that we have an SK. I would potentially expect Alpha to be a godfather and have Paul Ballard as a safeclaim (because he took over Paul's personality at a certain point). I could very well be diving too deep into the flavor, but as I said I'd rather this be out in the open.
dimochka wrote:2. Again based on flavor, Alpha would have no reason to work with anyone else. He works with no one. I actually considered the possibility of him being in the mafia and promptly discarded it. Because if he's mafia then he's a lone wolf, which is basically an SK.
Sabrar wrote:A lot of the characters had shifting loyalties during the run of the show. Additionally - due to the nature of the series - anyone could be a sleeper agent in theory. Because of this and the fact that I don't want to give an unfair advantage to the players who know the flavor, the characters won't necessarily have the same alignment as in the show (role abilities however follow the show pretty closely).
emlightened wrote:@dimochka: I kind-of doubt that there's a Godfather, but only for one reason: flavour-wise, how come only one of the scum is a Godfather, and not both of them?
Not sure what you mean. Why would two godfathers make more sense than one?
emlightened wrote:Also, if there is a SK, then its a much better idea to kill them off first, then the mafia. Killing one mafia is basically the same as reducing us to two SKs and that, even with perfect town play (assuming no vigs), leads to a definite town loss, if all of the kills hit (4/2/1 -> 2/1/1 -> 1/0/1). I'm NOT saying that we shouldn't look for mafia - this is worst-case, if we do have a SK and no kills get blocked.
How is this definite town loss? You assume that the SK and the mafia will both hit town. And that they both want to hit town. OK, so we determine with magical certainty who is the serial killer and who is mafia, and we lynch the serial killer. Then mafia definitely kills town N2 (assuming we are currently at 4/2/1). D3 we are at 3/2 and mafia can vote as a block on D3. My impression is that you’re trying to distract us from mafia hunting.
emlightened wrote:On that vein, my second guess for a SK would be bessie, after Carlington. Her posts got at Carlington being a SK a lot, and were also rather dismissive in places. A lot of people have waved this away as her being frustrared, but I'm not sure. Besides, it's a lot easier to look townie as a SK than as mafia, due to not knowing as much, and not having anyone to protect.
I think crucialityfactor is the only one that said I was acting frustrated and digging in to Carlington. And I’m not sure what the “this” is in “waived this away” refers to. Is it my suspicions of Carlington? Who besides Carlington has waived this off as not being serious?
emlightened wrote:Considering the potential [4/2/1 with a SK] we're at, is it worth trying to lynch the SK tonight, instead of the mafia?
Hmm. Attempt #2.
emlightened wrote:bessie: Its worth remembering that about two thirds of most of her posts are quotes and newlines, but she's still one of the more active players. She's the first one to bring mention of Alpha to the table. Her next post is a bit wishy-washy, but does give a useful list of potential reasons that there would be only one nightkill, assuming there is a serial killer. I'm sort of getting that she's trying to dissuade from the idea of there being a SK, but only slightly. Not really much content overall, but she repeatedly cites being busy irl, so that's not a knock of anything. Probably town, but that's mainly based off D1.
Yes, I’m mostly quotes and responses today, but I think there is a lot of content in what you are dismissing as “newlines.” And emlightened makes another post trying to associate me in people’s minds with the serial killer. Sure, why not? I’ve been doing it to Carlington this entire game. But how would you even conclude I am trying to dissuade everyone from thinking there is a serial killer in the game? If anything I would think I appear to be tunneling in on there being a serial killer in the game. And seriously, “not really much content overall”? What’s the standard against which you are measuring?
On role name claims – We have Topher and maybe Ivy? No judgement on this because I already spent way too much time researching the flavor for a game where I asked specifically if I could play flavor blind, and was told flavor knowledge wasn’t necessary to play (see Gojoe p. 691). If someone wants to give me a summary on these two characters, fine, but I’m not hopeful because no on responded to my chair question.
Here’s a few ideas about the purpose of the chair in the game (not all mine, some are other’s suggestions). Unfortunately no one responded to my question as to the purpose of the chair on the show.
1. Nothing, the chair reference is flavor only.
2. Used by mafia or serial killer/other indie to kill.
3. Used by mafia for roleblock or investigation.
4. Used by mafia or indie to control/steal/wipe out victim’s power.
5. Used by town for jail/roleblock/investigation.
6. Used by town vig for kill.
7. Used to give a power to another player.
Higher quality and better organized posts coming tomorrow. Now back to work.