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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby gmalivuk » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:48 pm UTC

steewi wrote:It has a vague Georgian look to it. Perhaps one of the less complicated Caucasian languages?
Simius wrote:The language uses a modified latin alphabet, as well as a completely different script.

Is the completely different script Georgian?
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:56 pm UTC

Oooh, the apostrophe thing makes me think they're ejectives.

If armenian is the wrong language family but is the right area, it's not a caucasian language. The only other languages in the area are IE IIRC and there aren't many IE languages with ejecties; the only one I know of is Ossetian.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Simius » Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:06 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
steewi wrote:It has a vague Georgian look to it. Perhaps one of the less complicated Caucasian languages?
Simius wrote:The language uses a modified latin alphabet, as well as a completely different script.

Is the completely different script Georgian?

Yes, it is.

The only other languages in the area are IE IIRC

Not true, in fact many Caucasian languages are not IE.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:39 am UTC

Ah, I'd thought Armenian was caucasian (and therefore it'd have to be one of the IE languages in the region). If it belongs to one of the caucasian languages families (also, I'd thought caucasian was a single language family, guess that's my TIL), it having ejectives is not a particularly big clue.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby lorb » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:23 pm UTC

Image

There you go :) Click image for bigger version.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Derek » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:48 pm UTC

My first though was that it looks like Mongolian script, but it's not written vertically. Checking the Wikipedia page for Mongolian script I saw some examples of Tibetan script (the source of Mongolian script, I was reminded) that look almost exactly like this. So I'm guessing Tibetan?

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby goofy » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:34 pm UTC

lorb wrote:Image

There you go :) Click image for bigger version.


I think the script is Ranjana, so it's probably Newari or Sanskrit.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Eomund » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:14 pm UTC

This one probably won't be very difficult for you but here it is:

Sapos yu inap ritim dispela tok na save dispela toktok, yu stap numba wan.


I can write more if you need a larger sample.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:52 pm UTC

Eomund wrote:This one probably won't be very difficult for you but here it is:

Sapos yu inap ritim dispela tok na save dispela toktok, yu stap numba wan.


I can write more if you need a larger sample.
Tok pisin, looks like.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Eomund » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:12 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
Eomund wrote:This one probably won't be very difficult for you but here it is:

Sapos yu inap ritim dispela tok na save dispela toktok, yu stap numba wan.


I can write more if you need a larger sample.
Tok pisin, looks like.


Yep, that's it.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby PaulLambeth » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:31 am UTC

lorb wrote:Image

There you go :) Click image for bigger version.


Well, the text is old, so although it looks something like Bengali I can't say more than that. It's not the same script as Sanskrit, I think. Nor is it Tibetan, or Dzongkha, for sure.

EDIT: Okay I guess I can say more. Oriya? Or maybe it IS Bengali? The script is closer to one used for the Indic rather than the Dravidian languages of India. Hmm.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby goofy » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:12 am UTC

PaulLambeth wrote:Well, the text is old, so although it looks something like Bengali I can't say more than that. It's not the same script as Sanskrit, I think. Nor is it Tibetan, or Dzongkha, for sure.

EDIT: Okay I guess I can say more. Oriya? Or maybe it IS Bengali? The script is closer to one used for the Indic rather than the Dravidian languages of India. Hmm.


It's Ranjana!

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby PaulLambeth » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:43 am UTC

goofy wrote:
PaulLambeth wrote:Well, the text is old, so although it looks something like Bengali I can't say more than that. It's not the same script as Sanskrit, I think. Nor is it Tibetan, or Dzongkha, for sure.

EDIT: Okay I guess I can say more. Oriya? Or maybe it IS Bengali? The script is closer to one used for the Indic rather than the Dravidian languages of India. Hmm.


It's Ranjana!


Ah! I didn't realise Sanskrit was written in things other than Devanagari. Thanks for teaching me. Sorry, I missed the point of your post earlier.

You guessed Newari and Sanskrit already, and I'd guess it's probably them because Wikipedia says there is a Nepalese-German project to preserve the texts of the Ranjana script, which are Newari and Sanskrit. But on the off chance it's not, I'll say the third possible option of Nepal Bhasa. All respect to you for knowing the script name.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby goofy » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:23 pm UTC

I think Newari and Nepal Bhasa are the same language. Apparently "Newari" is pejorative, which I didn't know.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby EchoRomulus » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:04 am UTC

Does it have to be a real language?

Or can it be like...Klingon?
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Copper Bezel » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:37 am UTC

According to the OP,

Alexius wrote:Conlangs are OK as long as they're reasonably well-known ones.


Of course, Klingon is presumably out on the grounds that it's simply not obscure.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:32 pm UTC

Also because mixing cases of letters would be a dead giveaway.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby chayanin » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:02 am UTC

So... reasonably well-known obscure language?

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Carlington » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:10 am UTC

eSOANEM wrote:Also because mixing cases of letters would be a dead giveaway.

Doesn't Lojban also do this? And some methods of transcribing Arabic (and maybe other Semitic languages)?
Kewangji: Posdy zwei tosdy osdy oady. Bork bork bork, hoppity syphilis bork.

Eebster the Great: What specifically is moving faster than light in these examples?
doogly: Hands waving furiously.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:18 am UTC

Doesn't look like it from my quick search. Semitic languages are fairly easy to identify as such for other reasons though (although would probably be hard to distinguish from equivalently transliterated Khuzdul).
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Carlington » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:27 am UTC

Ah, you're right. Lojban is the one that uses full stops in weird places.
Kewangji: Posdy zwei tosdy osdy oady. Bork bork bork, hoppity syphilis bork.

Eebster the Great: What specifically is moving faster than light in these examples?
doogly: Hands waving furiously.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby lorb » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:24 pm UTC

But there are natural languages that have at least CamelCase: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamelCase# ... _languages
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:03 pm UTC

True, but none of them do it anywhere near as much as klingon with the most common use of camelcase in natural languages simply being to mark morpheme boundaries (and possibly only certain morphemes).

Edit to add a new sample to guess:

"Thawe nuson kas tu asse Andangon,
Swintits wirst twais Emmens;
Pergeis twais Laeims;
Twais Quaits audasseisin na Semmey, key Andangon;
Nusan deininan Geittin deis numons schindeinan;
Bha atwerpeis numans nuson Auschautins, kay mas atwerpimay nuson Auschautenikamans;
Bha ny wedais mans Enperbandan;
Sclait is rankeis mans assa Wargan. Amen"
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Alexius » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:31 pm UTC

eSOANEM wrote:True, but none of them do it anywhere near as much as klingon with the most common use of camelcase in natural languages simply being to mark morpheme boundaries (and possibly only certain morphemes).

Edit to add a new sample to guess:

"Thawe nuson kas tu asse Andangon,
Swintits wirst twais Emmens;
Pergeis twais Laeims;
Twais Quaits audasseisin na Semmey, key Andangon;
Nusan deininan Geittin deis numons schindeinan;
Bha atwerpeis numans nuson Auschautins, kay mas atwerpimay nuson Auschautenikamans;
Bha ny wedais mans Enperbandan;
Sclait is rankeis mans assa Wargan. Amen"


Obviously the Lord's Prayer.
Beyond that: Looks Indo-European certainly. Bits of it look like Gaulish or something else Celtic, but then there are other things that look like Russian, Latin and German. So I'm thinking it's some sort of constructed language.
But it's not Esperanto, Volapük or Interlingua.
So some variety of neo-Indo-European?

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:27 am UTC

It is the lord's prayer and it is indo-european. It is not constructed however (I doubt I'll ever post a conlang on here; I'd feel mean if I didn't say it was a conlang and at that point it either gives it away or just becomes ridiculous).
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Iulus Cofield » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:35 am UTC

Is it Goth?

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby goofy » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:00 pm UTC

I don't think it's Gothic. I'd expect to see ƕ and þ.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:24 pm UTC

Nope, it's not Gothic.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby steewi » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:58 am UTC

It looks like it has some Balticness to it, but none of the 'big' Baltic languages. The spelling looks kind of old-fashioned, so I'm going to go with Prussian.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:36 pm UTC

Correct in all things. It is indeed Old Prussian.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby steewi » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:36 am UTC

A new one then:

Wal inu’ qu’ bnkis qasa la ? Wayal ini’ swayal qu’ tali’ shira’ lrwa, laxi qhl-iy la! Nyux qutux qhuniq lingay ngasalmu. Cyuxnya’ yut-un puniq misuw qani. Cyux ini’ plukus sayun na. Laxi bahuq lukus!

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Iulus Cofield » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:55 am UTC

The vowels and some of the consonants look Arabic, while a couple of the onsets (bnk and ng) look more Niger-Congo, and the space before the question mark suggests some French inspiration in the Romanization.

Maybe Mande?

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby steewi » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:01 am UTC

Iulus Cofield wrote:The vowels and some of the consonants look Arabic, while a couple of the onsets (bnk and ng) look more Niger-Congo, and the space before the question mark suggests some French inspiration in the Romanization.

Maybe Mande?

The space before the question mark is incidental, I'm afraid, and it's not romanisation - it's the script that the speakers actually use. You'll have to switch continents.

This one is a little difficult, maybe? It's not a dead or dying language, though. Just smallish.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Flumble » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:08 am UTC

The usage of Xs and various vowels (and of course the hint that Africa is the wrong continent) leads me to believe it's a native american language.
However, I have yet to find an alphabet that doesn't contain any funny letters and diacritics, and I've heard barely any spoken native american to confirm words like "qasa" and "ngasalmu" could exist on that continent.

[edit] one of two things had to be done about "confirm a words like"
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby steewi » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:24 am UTC

Nope. This language is spoken in East Asia, but not from a family that's usually associated with East Asia.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby O Choco » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:24 am UTC

A formosan language?

EDIT: To be more specific, I'm gonna jump on a limb and say Tsou. I have no knowledge of Formosan languages so I'm most certainly wrong, but hey!
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Envelope Generator » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:22 am UTC

I would have guessed amhara had you not said East Asia. Something in the Aleutian family?
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby steewi » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:52 am UTC

O Choco wrote:A formosan language?

EDIT: To be more specific, I'm gonna jump on a limb and say Tsou. I have no knowledge of Formosan languages so I'm most certainly wrong, but hey!

Yep, it's a Formosan language, but not Tsou.

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It's Atayal. I'd have also accepted Seediq, which is similar.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:37 am UTC

Carlington wrote:
eSOANEM wrote:Also because mixing cases of letters would be a dead giveaway.

Doesn't Lojban also do this? And some methods of transcribing Arabic (and maybe other Semitic languages)?

Upper case letters are only used to mark stress for non-lojban words.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:42 am UTC

I was in the pub with alexius today and we decided it was high time this thread returned. To get it started, here are a few starters to be getting on with.

Padre nostro que yes en el ciel,
santificat siad lo teu nomne.
Venya a nos el teu regno.
Fayadse la tua voluntade
ansi en la terra como en el ciel.
El nostro pan de cada dia danoslo hoi
ed perdonanos las nostras offensas
como nos perdonamos los qui nos offendent.
Ed non nos layxes cader in tentatsion
ed liberanos del mal.
Amen.


Se ti ka hashë bukën e shërbëtyrës s'duarvet tote. Lumë ti e fatbardhë ka jeshë. Jotë shoqe ka jet si dhri me pemë te muret e shpis tënde. Bijët tatë si degë ullinjësh rrethë triesës tënde. Shi kështú ka jet bekuar njeriu çë ka trëmbësirën e Perëndisë.


Mwilsha's gater, swart a manyath,
Manyi graw a kraji dilsha's manik.
Graw bi greydid, sheydi laadu
az aswart in manyath.
Bag mwilsha talosk minyart goshta dura.
geychel aur shaaku areyk mwilsha
geychas needjas greydi gyamyath mwilsha.
Nijesh solk mwil start gyamath,
bat bog mwilsha ahim gyamyath.
Diyil the sridag, taajirath an manyath
Gradum a gradum.


Ayr ain t'ayns niau,
Casherick dy row dt'ennym.
Dy jig dty reeriaght.
Dt'aigney dy row jeant er y thalloo,
myr t'ayns niau.
Cur dooin nyn arran jiu as gagh laa,
as leih dooin nyn loghtyn,
myr ta shin leih dauesyn ta jannoo loghtyn nyn 'oi.
As ny leeid shin ayns miolagh,
agh livrey shin veih olk:
Son lhiats y reeriaght, as y phooar, as y ghloyr, son dy bragh as dy bragh.
Amen.


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