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Postby Derek » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:58 am UTC

Season 2 was so bad that I didn't even finish it. I won't be watching season 3, but I'll be following this thread to see how it goes.

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Postby Isaac Hill » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:21 pm UTC

Avin wrote:Well I missed the episodes. I heard that it was available on Nick.com for only 24 hours after they aired and then they were taken down, with the promise that they would show up after that for purchase on Amazon.
Right now they're not available at either nick.com or Amazon. Does anyone know if it's possible to still watch them (legally)? Or if they will become available soon?
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How about... Korram/Quorum?

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Postby Isaac Hill » Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:23 am UTC

I've seen Korra's group refered to a the Krew somewhere.

Missing person in Ep 1-3:
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What happened to the airbender on the bridge? Korra got him down and introduced him to Tenzin. We don't see him on the airship. Later, they get shot down by a bunch of airbenders until they refer to Kai as their first recruit. I don't think bridge guy stayed at Air Temple Island, since Ikki and Meelo were told to stay behind to help other airbenders if they showed up, not to help the one already there. It seems like bridge guy would be really excited to stay with the Krew, if for no other reason than to learn how to stop airbending.
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Postby Djehutynakht » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:22 am UTC

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Yeah, I wondered about that too. He could still possibly be staying at air temple Island, possibly just relaxing with the acolytes or such and just calming down after his massive freak-out until later fetched by Tenzin/Tenzin returns to teach him (Ergo Ikki and Meelo wouldn't have to help him per say, since he's just de-stressing).

Hm yeah.. I dunno what happened to him. I hope they didn't just blatantly plothole over him. But he should still be in Republic City, at least

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Postby Thadlerian » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:32 pm UTC

Episodes 4 and 5: "meh" and "yeah!"

4 is fairly straightforward, making it feel like some of the duller parts of season 1 - it's just stuff being moved around, without any significant or unpredictable character story. But I did like how the season continues to show the human side of the villains, and there was at least one memorable scene:
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When the rookie airbenders hold off the Dai Li, enabling the escape.

Also, the political implications of that episode's plot have the promise to spark off some major political conflict, but I fear that it'll get shuffled to the background and forgotten - just like the immigration of spirits from Harmonic Convergence.

5 is what this series should have been like from the beginning. The episode shows a wealth of characters and setting (although the romantic subplot feels forced again), and manages to tell an interesting story despite a relative shortage of fighting scenes. The absence of Kai helped too.

I felt the drama was getting a bit high at the end, but then I found a fan theory I liked:
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The cause for the schism between Lin and her half sister is that Lin is barren, and lost Tenzin due to his responsibility to repopulate the air nomad nation, and she now resents her half sister's large and happy family.

A genuine conflict with unsolvable roots would be a great leap forward for this series, but again I fear the fans are more inspired than the creators. I wouldn't be surprised if the next couple of episodes show it was all just about some angry teenage remarks and some drama back and forth, and in the end Korra will help them sit down and reconcile.

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Postby NecklaceOfShadow » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:05 pm UTC

A few friends and I had a discussion about the latest season on facebook. Thought I might as well post my thoughts here too.

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During the prison break, Eska and her brother waterbended like earthbenders. It was so jarring. LoK as a whole have been mixing up the different styles of bending since the beginning -- e.g., Korra's first use of airbending was a firebending-like punch -- but this season has been especially weird about it, I think. All the airbenders have been acting as if they're firebenders, except for the air torrent in the prison break scene. It's just so bloody weird.

I am curious as to what Sparky Sparky Boom Ma'am [and her entourage are] going to do.


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I am so over Bolin. I literally said "why are you still even a character?" while watching this episode. Bolin is the five-dollar bulk-pack of worsted acrylic compared to Sokka's fine merino wool. No matter the pattern you knit, Sokka's going to feel better on your skin. I just think he's been given too many chances. He was almost sweet when he was with his family in Ba Sing Se. But I bet he's just one of the writer's darlings and they can't see just how out-of-control their favorite character has gotten. I vote he gets to be the Death That Tells Us Shit's Gone Real this season.

I really wanted to like Lin's sister and family. But damn, they have money coming out the taps. And that always reduces how much sympathy I have for a family. And Korra's back to her boneheaded ways again, trying to force Lin into accepting a family dynamic that she's obviously not happy with. Bad families have a way of presenting calm, happy fronts to the outside world, and Korra's totally falling for it. But mostly I'm just scared that Korra's going to end up being right in the end, because *protagonist* and Lin's been getting mangled this and last seasons, so of course she can't have a justified reason for hating her family. God, the more I think about Lin's situation, the more empathetic I am. But I have a history of bad family, so of course it affects me strongly. I was about to say, "I can't imagine just how rough it must be to be in the same house with people who have caused you so much pain" but OH WAIT YES I CAN.

Also something I've been disappointed by: Kya. We can assume, her being Katara's daughter, that she's a badass master waterbender. But I can only remember seeing her in one fight, which she lost. Bumi gets a lot more screentime, and my opinion of him is starting to match my opinion of Bolin. Wish she was given more time to shine and show us what she's like. She reminds me a lot of Katara, disposition-wise. So I get annoyed, because they know how to write a character like Katara, and they're wasting her, when they could be exploring other sides of her personality.


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SokkaXEveryone should be a thing.

Oh gods, how badass would a sword-wielding airbender be in this universe if they were allowed to spill blood?

I wonder if Katara, Toph, and Zuko play probending together.
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Postby Isaac Hill » Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:04 pm UTC

Korra, Book 3, Ep 5
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Lin's sister (Suyin) seems to be doing the same thing her grandparents did, keeping her offspring too close for them to grow as people under the belief that this is what the offspring need. But, while Toph's parents' way of keeping her around was stick-based, Suyin goes more for the carrot.

Suyin says her motivation for founding her city was help people reach their potential, but she won't let Opal study at the Northern Temple to reach her full potential as an airbender. Then, she rants about how queens are outdated while living in a city she owns where everyone seems to do what she wants. And if that's not enough for the show to convince you she's one of those people who seems awesome at first but actually sucks, they made her friends with Verrick. Though I'd guess that while Verrick was well aware he was being selfish, Suyin thinks she's doing the right thing for everyone.

I don't think Kya's been dissapointing. Sure, she lost her fight against Zaheer, but sho has everyone else Zaheer's fought, and Kya got some good hits in, which I don't think anyone else has been able to do. I've read one theory that Kya and Tenzin used to fight as kids, so Kya's one of the few people alive (other than octegenarian Zuko) who has experience fighting an airbender. Of course, depending on how their break-up went, Lin Beifong might have some experience in that area, too.

I'm not much of a fan of Bumi. We first saw him screaming like a madman, and I expected some sort of crazed badass, like his namesake. Instead, we get a doddering old man who knits sweaters for his pets, and wins fights by Rube Goldberg-type accident. The only thing I can think that I've liked from Bumi is, while everyone else is appalled at the notion of the airbenders being conscripted, he points out that the Earth Queen legally has the right to draft her subjects.
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Postby Angua » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:55 am UTC

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I definitely thought Kya should have done a bit better against Zaheer, just from the pure fact that she would have experience at fighting airbenders. I guess she did do a bit better than the others up north.

Am I think only one who looked at those metal cities, and the first though was 'they must get really hot.'
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Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:15 pm UTC

I have been pleasantly surprised at how good everything is so far. Few thoughts, non-spoilery-

There haven't been that many spirits! I was expecting a world totally changed, wherein spirits are now as common place as the local flora and fauna, and people and spirits to be butting heads and forced to adapt accordingly. But instead we get a smattering of new air benders and a culture war, and some more illusions to past assholery by various people... Which brings me to my next point...

In TLA, I felt the gyst was 'There is a great ancient mystery, and we will discover what it is together!'. In ALL of Korra so far, I feel the gyst is 'People are full of history, and their secrets are what will drive the story'.
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Postby Djehutynakht » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:25 pm UTC

Was there a great ancient mystery in TLA though? I mean, I know the Lion Turtle showed up in the end, but they weren't quite looking for him. There was mainly the Fire Nation trying to take over the world, and they must be stopped, followed by "Damn, they're apparently going for something a bit more severe then "take over"; I'd better hurry up..."

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Postby Zohar » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:55 am UTC

I'm really like this season so far. The pacing is really great, which was one of the major issues in previous seasons. And the character interactions are pretty good too, which is the other issue I had with the other books.

Ep. 6:
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Loved the interaction between Lin and Suyin, it was done very realistically and emotionally true. The action scenes were nice, and I liked having a look at Toph. I can sort of imagine her so resolute in what she thinks of as the best or only solution that she'd distance her daughter. She always was very hard headed.


Ep. 7:
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This one wasn't as great, particularly because the "Tenzin is a horrible teacher" theme. He should have learned his lesson in book 1. It was still OK, and hopefully he does finally get better.
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Postby Djehutynakht » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:15 am UTC

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I still enjoyed the second of last night's episodes though. Tenzin being a bad teacher is a common theme... but I feel there was much more to that.

First of all, the Earth Queen has been brought to new heights in terms of her being spoiled... possibly even sadistic. I mean... she ate Bosco (or a successor, depending on Bosco's lifespan). What the hell. I think that goes a little beyond "spoiled girl raised in a palace".

It also brought in new insights into Jinora's character progression, Bumi's and the Airbenders as whole. The imminent threat as a conflict did the morale part of uniting them, as well as leadership from another student.

One thing though: When they ask when they can go visit their families/go home.. I don't know if this was a plothole or not, but...

Most of them come from Ba Sing Se, or at least the general area. The Earth Queen has charged them with treason and has arrest warrants out for them.

They can't go back.

Hey, but on the bright side... at least one Acolyte appears to have gotten airbending. That must have been huge for him.

(Also, "Shaving your head is a personal choice"... big plot twist)

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Postby Thadlerian » Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:00 pm UTC

Thadlerian wrote:but again I fear the fans are more inspired than the creators. I wouldn't be surprised if the next couple of episodes show it was all just about some angry teenage remarks and some drama back and forth, and in the end Korra will help them sit down and reconcile.

Ummm... yeah.

Ep. 6:
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This episode was banal, plain and simple. Was that really Toph? Where was her spirit? Where was her character? Big fight - without a clear purpose, anything to root for, as is getting normal for this show - and everything's fine again. After dangerous attacks that could have squashed or cut apart either woman, including tossing around the kid's art (hurr durr modern art amirite), friends again. No consequences.


Ep. 7:
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This was somewhat better. Tenzin is a well-made character, and in this season he finally has his own story. When he got all militaristic with his recruits, I saw some hope. But they really need to work with predictable. As soon as Bumi gave his advice, you knew that Tenzin would take it too far. As soon as wild bison were mentioned, obviously Jinora and Kai would have to check them out, which would probably initiate the main conflict.

I liked the conflict sequence, but it wasn't really anything new or unexpected about it. Best part was about how the hunters felt like a stab at Eastern traditions of eating endangered animals, like rhinoceros horn or tiger or something. And the part about the Earth Queen eating Bosco was disturbing.

They could do more of that. Mostly, the creators are running around with pillows for whenever developments could be perceived as sharp or difficult. Like when Tenzin rebukes Kai for his brutality - of course Tenzin has to follow up relativising the warning by complementing Kai's style. No sharp edges. As in the previous episode, when the kid's art gets wrecked: A source of resentment, of conflict? No, being destroyed actually improved the sculpture! No harm done.

They've always been doing this to some degree. That earthbender attack must have hurt that guy bad, let him groan so we know he's OK. But at least when Aang burned Katara, Sokka was allowed to yell at him for a few minutes before wanterbender healing swooped out of nowhere to prevent any serious character development.

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Postby Isaac Hill » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:21 pm UTC

I think the pacing is helped by showing two episodes a week, especially with the main cast split up. We don't have to wait two weeks to see the next part of anyone's story, and they don't have to cram two plotlines into 22 minutes. Of course, this means I can never remember which events happened in which episode.

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Watching another animated child hero grow up to be a bad parent made me wonder when Venture Bros is coming back.

I don't think the airbender asking to go home was a plot hole, just the character not thinking clearly due to exhaustion from insufficient sleep and being run ragged all day.

It makes sense that Tenzin would still be a terrible teacher; he's only had the one non-nomad student.

I need to know more about the Rollins Bandits. I don't know what their backstory is, why they hate the avatar, or what their goal is once she's gone. We've been told they're dangerous, but all we've seen them do is run away. First, they break out of prisons. Then, Zaheer gets away from Kya. Now, they've escaped Republic City. The most agressive thing we've seen them do is steal a car, and that's just so they can flee faster. I did get a kick out of the armless waterbender driving.

I agree about Suyin getting off too easy. She scars Lin's face, then Toph and Lin have to cover up her arrest. Did Suyin even apologize to Lin, or thank her for keeping her out of jail, or did she just keep saying that she's a different person now?
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Thadlerian wrote:
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. After dangerous attacks that could have squashed or cut apart either woman, including tossing around the kid's art (hurr durr modern art amirite), friends again. No consequences.


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Well, I think the art thing was mostly for comedic effect. As for the fighting... it seems to be common in the Avatar world that giant intense bending fights, which seem immensely dangerous to us, are the equivalent of a fistfight for the benders themselves.
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Thadlerian wrote:
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Like when Tenzin rebukes Kai for his brutality - of course Tenzin has to follow up relativising the warning by complementing Kai's style.


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I think this particular case was a little different than "blunting sharp edges".

Although Kai was being a little over excessive, he didn't quite beat the guy within an inch of his life so far as we can tell.

I think Tenzin's warning-followed-by-compliment was sort of a reflection of his own emotions on the issue.

On one hand... he's an Airbender. Peace, nonaggression, self-defense, etc. So he's obligated to teach Kai the lesson of easing up.

On the other hand, he's probably furious at the prospect of Bison-rustling, and his own daughter's kidnapping, so despite his commitment to non-aggression, he probably doesn't feel all that bad instinctively about the guy getting a few extra whacks.

And finally, I think Tenzin felt somewhat proud of Kai, actually. Tenzin gave the traditional "what?!" father reaction when some mention of Jinora liking Kai came up. So I think seeing Kai get so defensive/protective over his daughter struck a positive chord with him.

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Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:27 am UTC

Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill not really seeing how the world at large has been affected by the proliferation of spirits. Aside from Bumi and Jinora, there's no real evidence that the world is now different.

I still <3 Bolin. And the conflict with Tophs daughters was well executed I felt; we see that conflict is the result of people doing what they think best.
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Postby Djehutynakht » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:13 pm UTC

It's being reported that Korra is being taken off the air (at least for the rest of the season), possibly being put up online somewhere.

From what I hear, the show is still pretty much well-liked, it's just that viewership has not been up to standards.

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Postby Isaac Hill » Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:28 am UTC

They aired Ep 8 tonight at 8pm, but showed a Spongebob episode at 8:30. Showing no episodes because the show's off the air, or two to provide a final night, would make sense, but I don't understand the logic beind showing one. Maybe Nick has a clause in all its contracts with advertisers saying if ratings fall below X for some number of consecutive episodes, they pull the show and replace it with old Spongebobs, and Ep 8 put them over the limit?

If they'd kept the two episodes every Friday schedule, they'd have finished the season two weeks from tonight. I don't get what was so pressing that they couldn't wait two weeks for the season to finish on its own. With what companies pay to generate good publicity, showing 2.5 hours of a less profitable show to avoid bad publicity seems like a valid expense.

Ep 8 was kind of a bad episode to go out on. That's not to say the episode bad, I really enjoyed it. It's just that it was more about setting up future plot than resolving any ongoing arcs, so it's an unsatisfying (hopefully temporary) end.
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Zaheer & co. finally reach the Avatar and attempt to kidnap her. But, since sneaking into someplace is the opposite of fleeing, they fail and are spotted by Pabu. Getting away with their hostage shares many getting-away traits with fleeing, but would mean acomplishing a goal, so they again fail and are spotted by Pabu. I still don't know what Zaheer's crew's motivations are, but the fight was fun enough that I didn't think much about it. After losing Korra to her friends, Zaheer airbends some cover for the most mysterious fleeing yet.

Verrick and Mako figuring out that the guard was set up by comparing the situation to the time Verrick set up Mako was pretty funny. When Verrick left the interrogation room without his assistant being questioned, I wondered if she was the traitor. But, Suyin's trusted advisor turns out to be Zaheer's ally, who proves his mettle by fleeing right in front of the heroes' faces. Now the heores are in hot pursuit, but little do they know, that by forcing the villians to constantly flee from them, they're playing right into the enemy's hands.

I've been amusing myself with the idea that Zaheer's crew only succeeds at fleeing, but Zaheer has studied airbender philosophy and teachings for quite some time. As original Bumi said, "avoid and evade, typical airbender tactics". If Zaheer's entire plan involves making a scene and getting away so Korra will chase him and he can lead her into a trap, I will be absolutely delighted.


Izawwlgood wrote:Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill not really seeing how the world at large has been affected by the proliferation of spirits. Aside from Bumi and Jinora, there's no real evidence that the world is now different.
I wonder if this contributed to the low ratings. The show premiered the first 3 episodes without much notice, so lots of fans probably missed them. By the time next week rolls around, they're on episode 4 and the spirit plot isn't mentioned anymore. Anyone who missed the premiere but tuned in the next week would probably be confused as to what happened with the spirits. At least the new airbenders being the result of harmonic convergence has been mentioned since then.
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Postby Zohar » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:11 am UTC

It was a pretty good episode, I thought. And from what I happened to see around tumblr, it looks like the series will continue online somewhere? I hope so.
Regarding the episode:
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I can't believe they actually used the evil chancellor trope.

General S3 spoilers, not related to latest episode:
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Zaheer has only been an airbender for a few weeks. He started out as pretty much an airbending master. All the other airbenders are nowhere near his ability. What's up with that? Was he trained with airbending-tactics without being able to bend? Is he Aang's long-lost son-turned-traitor and Aang had to block his bending? How come he's such a great fighter?
Even avatars, who are already experts at various fighting methods, have trouble mastering elements and it takes them time to reach their full potential, so it's not just having awesome martial arts skills.
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Postby Ryom » Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:03 am UTC

One episode per week from now on, ONLINE only (hulu, nick, amazon, itunes) due to low live TV viewers. Show is not cancelled and the next season will also come out.

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Zohar wrote:General S3 spoilers, not related to latest episode:
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Zaheer has only been an airbender for a few weeks. He started out as pretty much an airbending master. All the other airbenders are nowhere near his ability. What's up with that? Was he trained with airbending-tactics without being able to bend? Is he Aang's long-lost son-turned-traitor and Aang had to block his bending? How come he's such a great fighter?
Even avatars, who are already experts at various fighting methods, have trouble mastering elements and it takes them time to reach their full potential, so it's not just having awesome martial arts skills.

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Zaheer's pretty hard core into air nomad culture, so it makes sense that he'd study airbender moves and incorporate them into his fighting style. In the real world, the bending styles were based on martial arts styles, so the air bending moves would have practical fighting use even without bending. In-universe, Zaheer basically invented Ba Gua (the real world fighting style airbending is based on). He's a great fighter because he's practiced a lot. He probably had to be a great fighter prior to his arrest in order to lead that gang of dangerous benders as a non-bender.

It seems like you need three things to become a great bender: 1) something to grant you bending ability for an element in the first place, like heritage, Harmonic Convergence, or being the Avatar, 2) martial arts skills, and 3) the right mindset for your element. When we saw Aang struggle with earth, it wasn't because he had trouble with the moves, but because he wasn't thinking like an earth bender. When Toph pushed him enough to stand up to her, he became more assertive/stubborn which enabled him to earthbend.
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Postby Djehutynakht » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:33 am UTC

Finally! An explanation!

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Postby Isaac Hill » Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:48 pm UTC

Korra Book 3, Ep 9
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Usually learning the mysterious villian's unexplained motivations by having him simply tell them to the protagonist wouldn't be that interesting, but it worked here for a couple reasons. First, Zaheer was trying to stall Korra so there was an in-universe reason for him to explain himself.

Second, it showed some character growth for Korra. Tarlok and Unalaq were able to talk Korra into helping them. Here, she agrees with much of what Zaheer says about the corrupt/ineffective governments, but dismisses the idea of helping him.

I read something about the various nations' villians methods matchng their elements that I liked:
Evil firebenders (Ozai, Sozin) seek power by destroying you.
Evil earthbenders (Longfeng, the Earth Queen) seek power by controlling you.
Evil waterbenders (Tarlok, Unalaq) seek power by manipulating you.
Evil airbender (Zaheer) doesn't seek power, he seeks anarchy.

I don't know if the writers planned it that way, but it would explain why we had two consecutive tales of evil waterbenders, since they were both successful at getting Korra on their side for a while.
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I actually really like Zaheer. I can't quite stick a pin in why exactly, but every-time he shows up I feel myself enjoying the show more.
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Postby rath358 » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:12 am UTC

book 3, Ep 10
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Holy fucking shit, they actually killed someone. (I guess Amon and Tarlock in book 1, too. But this feels different). Really powerful scene, too. I wonder if Zaheer and company knew everything was going to go to shit immediately, or they actually thought it work out.

Also, I really liked the scene with Bolin talking to the guards. He seemed very true to himself, but the scene was compelling without just being facepalm humor.

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Postby Thadlerian » Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:25 am UTC

rath358 wrote:book 3, Ep 10
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Holy fucking shit, they actually killed someone. (I guess Amon and Tarlock in book 1, too. But this feels different). Really powerful scene, too. I wonder if Zaheer and company knew everything was going to go to shit immediately, or they actually thought it work out.

Also, I really liked the scene with Bolin talking to the guards. He seemed very true to himself, but the scene was compelling without just being facepalm humor.


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I can pretty much guarantee she's not dead, just passed out. I think "take out" is way too vague.

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Postby Angua » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:08 pm UTC

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rath358 wrote:book 3, Ep 10
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Holy fucking shit, they actually killed someone. (I guess Amon and Tarlock in book 1, too. But this feels different). Really powerful scene, too. I wonder if Zaheer and company knew everything was going to go to shit immediately, or they actually thought it work out.

Also, I really liked the scene with Bolin talking to the guards. He seemed very true to himself, but the scene was compelling without just being facepalm humor.


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I can pretty much guarantee she's not dead, just passed out. I think "take out" is way too vague.

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I agree, they never actually say that she's dead.

It was pretty cool seeing Zaheer airbend the air out of her lungs - that was always mentioned as something airbenders should be able to do, but I guess they're generally way too peaceful.
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Postby Djehutynakht » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:31 am UTC

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Yeah, from the very end of her scene, I'd say the Earth Queen isn't dead. She seems to gasp and reach up when he releases her. Plus she wasn't without air for too, too long.

I've always been waiting for when an Airbender would bend the air out of someone's lungs. While it seems to be immediately effective, my guess is that it's one of those things (like Bloodbending) that's 'feasible' but considered too cruel to actually undertake.

This was definitely an interesting episode. Zaheer is turning out to be interesting. He reminds me a little of Amon in the respect of being a "people's man", but he seems a step up, a bit better. However, I'm not sure I can see his actions ending really well, even if I think taking out the Earth Queen is a bit of a plus, so we'll have to see what happens.

Also... they totally did Sand JAWS.


Edit:

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The Wiki for Avatar is claiming that the Earth Queen apparently was indeed killed. Of course, they're unofficial, but I'm presuming the people who make these things have somewhat of a better idea than I do, so I suppose I'll consider her dead until I see otherwise.

This probably does not do well for Zaheer's air philosophy credence (odd, since he seems to embrace their philosophy), but, then again, he as good as killed Aiwei already, so this isn't too surprising.

Also, interesting foreshadowing on the Airship, when he says Korra won't be getting any of the elements and then goes "Well, I guess there's air, but there's really nothing we can do about that".

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Postby Isaac Hill » Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:14 am UTC

K3.10
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I'm pretty sure the Earth Queen's dead. The episode title is "Long Live the Queen". If it's not meant to be ironic, it doesn't really fit with what happened.

They've used euphemisms before, like saying "end you" instead of "kill you". Zaheer says air is like freedom, without them "there is no life, only darkness". Darkness may not necessarily mean death, but "no life" certainly does.

They've shown definite deaths (Noatak & Tarrlok), and skeletal remains (Gyatso), but not a fresh corpse. Maybe that's the limit for children's programming, and they had to cut away before her final gasp.
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Postby Thadlerian » Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:46 am UTC

Isaac Hill wrote:K3.10
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I'm pretty sure the Earth Queen's dead. The episode title is "Long Live the Queen". If it's not meant to be ironic, it doesn't really fit with what happened.

They've used euphemisms before, like saying "end you" instead of "kill you". Zaheer says air is like freedom, without them "there is no life, only darkness". Darkness may not necessarily mean death, but "no life" certainly does.

They've shown definite deaths (Noatak & Tarrlok), and skeletal remains (Gyatso), but not a fresh corpse. Maybe that's the limit for children's programming, and they had to cut away before her final gasp.

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Yeah, I'm just being cynical. It would be pretty bad for the show to go back from this, when it seems most of the fanbase accepts the death and is celebrating the jump in maturity. It was a good episode.

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Postby ArgonV » Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:09 pm UTC

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I might not actually agree with how he's doing it, but so far, Zaheer seems to have a point. The Earth Queen did seem to be self-important royalty. But the water tribes seem to be governed justly, I can't imagine Zuko allowing a fire nation dictatorship again, the air nation is just recovering and Republic City also seem to have adequate representation, so I feel like he's accomplished his goals, sort of

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Postby Isaac Hill » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:15 am UTC

ArgonV wrote:
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I might not actually agree with how he's doing it, but so far, Zaheer seems to have a point. The Earth Queen did seem to be self-important royalty. But the water tribes seem to be governed justly, I can't imagine Zuko allowing a fire nation dictatorship again, the air nation is just recovering and Republic City also seem to have adequate representation, so I feel like he's accomplished his goals, sort of
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This seems to be a recurring theme in Korra, where the villians have a legitimate point, but their methods are wrong. The legitimate points do get addressed. Amon was right about non-benders being second-class citizens, and that was changed by replacing the Council with the President, not by eliminating bending. Unalaq had a point about humans losing touch with the spirits, and the portals are opened, but Vaatu wasn't set free to resume battle with Rava.
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Postby Djehutynakht » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:50 am UTC

Isaac Hill wrote:
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Amon was right about non-benders being second-class citizens, and that was changed by replacing the Council with the President, not by eliminating bending.


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I dispute that. I can certainly see his point about it being easier for benders to bully non-benders, and his point that Benders could use their powers wrongly was true, but they weren't exactly second-class. The Avatar universe has had a long history of non-benders being able to be on equal footing with benders from the beginning. For instance, Ty Lee's (and Equalist) Chi Blocking, which was very effective, Piandao (Sokka's sword master), Mai with her blades, the Kyoshi warriors, and then Asami (and the Equalists) with electric technology. In the political sphere, they didn't seem underrepresented either. the Earth Monarch isn't a bender. And even the council... the Council wasn't exclusive to Benders. It represented the traditional nations. Tarrlok and Tenzin were the only two councilmembers to exhibit bending (of 5). Sokka appears to have been its first chairman.

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Postby Diadem » Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:53 am UTC

Finally started watching season 3 yesterday. Only saw the first 8 episodes though because I don't yet know where to find the rest. Shit.

Anyway, this season is soooo much better than the previous two. The pacing is very good this season, compared to the previous two which felt very rushed. They are actually taking time to explore characters, and have some actual build-up. The special effects are awesome, the fight scene in the metal village was truly awesome. The have so far managed to avoid obvious idiotballing, and some of the side characters make a lot more sense (Bumi really annoyed me a few times in season 2. He's supposed to be an extremely experienced naval commander, but he was acting like a complete idiot the entire season. In season 3 he still has his quirks, but it no longer feels like he's entirely made of them). Korra herself is even starting to become sympathetic. Most of last season I just wanted her to die, preferably painfully.

Good stuff.
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Postby Ryom » Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:12 am UTC

This season has been amazing from start to finish... the finale really shines as one of the best of LoK, and perhaps even TLA. They really took a lesson from past mistakes and came out swinging.

I just purchased the series DVDs of Avatar:TLA and Blu-rays of Seasons 1 and 2 of LoK and the streaming version of Season 3. Gotta support the creators for this series and their future endeavors.

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Postby Zohar » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:42 pm UTC

I'm super disappointed. The only thing Korra does better than TLA is animation quality, that's it. Bending, storylines, action scenes, dialogs, character development, ideological conflicts - all of those were better in TLA. And especially internal logic, by the way. Korra sucks at that.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:53 pm UTC

HOLY CRAP EPISODES 11 AND 12 ARE FUCKING INTENSE
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Postby Thadlerian » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:58 pm UTC

I am deeply, thoroughly impressed by the three final episodes. This has felt like a completely different show from season 1 and 2, and even the bulk of season 3. This is the maturity we should have had from the start. This is what Korra should be like.

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Postby Izawwlgood » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:23 pm UTC

Thadlerian wrote:I am deeply, thoroughly impressed by the three final episodes. This has felt like a completely different show from season 1 and 2, and even the bulk of season 3. This is the maturity we should have had from the start. This is what Korra should be like.

So much agreement.

There were a few loose ends, and holy shit ending on a doooooooooowner (?) but the last 3 episodes where stupendously well executed.
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