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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:19 pm UTC

Youjo Senki- One of the candidatens in epi 5 was a woman and she looked like the normal designs the male soldiers get instead of the designs of Tanja and her returned sidekick. (Though for Tanja herself it is kinda okay, her sidekick however…) Now the contrast is even weirder.

The episode makes me wonder though: Are mages something new in the setting, because the enemy had none and if it was just some technic like flying that is new you would still expect some ground based ones.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby sardia » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:12 pm UTC

PeteP wrote:Youjo Senki- One of the candidatens in epi 5 was a woman and she looked like the normal designs the male soldiers get instead of the designs of Tanja and her returned sidekick. (Though for Tanja herself it is kinda okay, her sidekick however…) Now the contrast is even weirder.

The episode makes me wonder though: Are mages something new in the setting, because the enemy had none and if it was just some technic like flying that is new you would still expect some ground based ones.

Mages are planes, and yes that happened in WW1. Romania/austria/etc etc were countries that still used civil war era technology and tactics.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:26 pm UTC

I know the historical parallel but mages are not literally planes, that a thing is meant to mirror something does not imply that everything automatically makes as much sense with the replacement (which has different traits than the original).

The mages don't have just flight they also have significant long range fire power. So if you have mages but they just can't fly why wouldn't you have them in your troop? There are various options of course. For instance, the magic stones are new and don't just give flight but also the impressive long range fire power. But that brings the question up: Since it is apparently inborn talent can they do anything without the stones? Or was it an inborn affinity that were utterly useless until they developed a tool to use with it? Another option is of course they have mages but they have another use than as weapon.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:09 pm UTC

These days I am watching The Irresponsible Captain Tylor (1993) because I didn't do that before; it is surprisingly good. Quite fun and decently pretty for that time. Some of the jokes actually feel clever.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:27 pm UTC

Grop wrote:These days I am watching The Irresponsible Captain Tylor (1993) because I didn't do that before; it is surprisingly good. Quite fun and decently pretty for that time. Some of the jokes actually feel clever.


I'm not a major fan of the series, but I can see why other people like it. Its a feel-good self-aware space opera. The singular joke of "Captain Tylor pulls off crazy plan because of luck" gets a bit repetitive though, and as the plans get sillier and sillier as the story progressed... it was harder for me to "buy" the results. Especially when the storyline gets a bit more serious later on... I think the writers kinda wrote themselves into a hole and there wasn't really a good way to properly pay respects to the seriousness of the situation while still having Capt. Tylor's signature shenanigans win the day.

The anime delivers upon the title however. Its pretty much exactly what you'd expect based on the title and cover art. Irresponsible Captain does space opera stuff for 26-episodes. And I mean that in the best way possible too. Warring alien races, space princess, space pirates, laser battles, Androids, bombs, traps... its a very well fleshed out setting with great art. I just personally didn't like the titular character at all.

For a good AMV on the series, I suggest All-Star (spoilers though), which captures the 90s-atmosphere perfectly of course :-)

There's a lot of charm to the hand-drawn 90s anime art style. If I were to say one thing that really struck me as excellent... its that art and setting. "The Slayers" would be a show with a similar art-style (although in High Fantasy / Wizards casting Fireballs sorta setting). If you liked Capt. Tylor, chances are you'll like "The Slayers". IMO, "The Slayers" managed to thread the needle between "silly" and "serious" a lot better.

There's a difference between Sci-Fi (Capt. Tylor) and Fantasy (The Slayers) of course. But they're both 90s-era hand-drawn anime with silly borderline stupid dumb jokes through a serious atmosphere.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby raudorn » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:21 pm UTC

So, on Netflix (in this region) there are a bunch of anime since the last time I checked what's available. First I binge-watched Kill la Kill in two-and-half sessions, which I now kinda regret (the binge part). I really liked the first few episodes. My enjoyment is influenced however, because I remember watching a video about animation styles from digibro, where KLK featured heavily as a demonstration of how animation, that looks poor and cheap on the surface, can actually enhance the theme of the show. That was still in the back of my mind when I watched it and I can concur that this in full effect. It helps that KLK is like 30% parody of anime (and itself) in addition to the 60% ham.
However binging it doesn't give enough time to digest each episode until the next one. That means that the total ludicrousness of KLK turns grating with the later episodes. I guess I only continued the binge to the end for closure. I would've liked if, at least the first half of the series, had been a bit more urban fantasy, where characters are shown actually behaving like they visit a school with an absurdly powerful student council. That is the premise of the show, but the premise doesn't last much past the first two or three episodes.

(Edit: Forgot to mention that I also really liked the german subs for KLK. I don't know how, but they dug out some terms no longer in common use, that still fit perfectly.)

Anyway, next is now an anime series called "Fate/stay night (unlimited blade works)". A quick search tells me that the whole "fate" series has a number of different adaptions and didn't start out as this particular anime series. Still, two episodes in and I don't feel lost, so I guess it's either that this is the original plot line or the writers did a good job of making it accessible to newcomers. What I like about this is one is much calmer pacing and characters that don't shout half of their lines. Just please tell me that this purple haired Sakura girl either gets less relevant or some character development. There's being mousy/shy and there's being a doormat.
What I like most, however, is that the series doesn't seem to contain any of a number of certain characteristics, that annoy me beyond reason. I can't put a name to it, because I'm not that versed in anime lingo. These characteristics are most noticeable in what (I think) is called shonen jump style, but don't hold me to it. Think of the anime adaptions of Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and such. Things like non-continuous, art-shifted animation for emotions/reactions, high volume voice acting, inconsistent power levels (aaah, plotkai), talking-is-a-free-action, determination-driven technology, emotional reasoning (as opposed to reasoning about emotions), Schrödinger's retcons, no conservation of travel time (though almost all fiction falls prey to that one), informed intelligence and so on.

So I guess my questions are: What can you recommend that's similar in presentation to F/SN(UBW) and how the hell do acronyms work with punctuated titles?

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:57 pm UTC

Well the main series would be the Fate/stay night series from 2006 and Fate/Zero. Fate/Zero is a sequel prequel to F/SN and is generally agreed to be much better. F/SN(UBW) is a sort of F/SN reboot: it takes place at the same moment and with the same characters. I think it is better.

F/SN (2006) was much about some romance that I found very annoying. I would suggest you to stick to F/SN(UBW), then watch Fate/Zero, and only approach F/SN (2006) if you are curious.

But then probably others will disagree.

raudorn wrote:talking-is-a-free-action


That is especially a feature of manga adaptations (as opposed to original stories or game adaptations). Because in a funnybooks, having characters comment on the action doesn't interrupt the action as much as it does on screen.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby raudorn » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:32 pm UTC

Grop wrote:F/SN (2006) was much about some romance that I found very annoying. I would suggest you to stick to F/SN(UBW), then watch Fate/Zero, and only approach F/SN (2006) if you are curious.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Yeah, romance doesn't sound all that appealing, so I'll just stick with the UBW version for now.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:52 pm UTC

I actually like Fate/Stay Night (2006), so lemme give a bit of context.

Fate/Stay was originally a hentai harem visual novel with three stories (think of them as "alternative endings"). So all three stories are about Emiya Shiro evolving his relationship to "sleep with the girl" status. Period. The anime obviously can't show the porn bits however, and fortunately the story is so awesome it doesn't need the porn bits. But it doesn't change the fact that the story as originally written was a eroge with visual-novel romance at the heart of all three stories.

As a harem, the three paths can be summarized as "Girl 1", "Girl 2", and "Girl 3". I'm being generic here, cause I don't want spoilers. Its sort of "alternative realities" of the same story, about how one character could have fallen in love with the various members of the cast. But overall, the themes go deeper than they appear.

The three paths in order are:

* Fate/Stay Night (F/SN) aka "2006"
* Fate/ Unlimited Blade Works (UBW) aka "2015"
* Fate / Heaven's Feel (2018???)

Spoiler:
There's also all of the games and stuff that have been made. You've got Fate/Extra, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/hollow ataraxia. Don't worry about these so much. They're basically completely different



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Without a doubt, Unlimited Blade Works is "better" than Fate/Stay Night. The action is more intense (the animation company clearly had a lot more money), and the core story has Emiya making fewer idiotic choices. The romance flows more naturally because Emiya simply makes better choices throughout the path. However, I would argue that the 2nd path is incomplete without the full understanding of Emiya from the 1st path (the 2006 series). Furthermore, exploring the other characters from a perspective of ignorance and naivete is actually the best way to start exploring the characters IMO.

Sure, Emiya Shiro is a dumbass supreme throughout F/SN, but you really learn a lot about everybody from that perspective. Just recognize that Shiro is a dumbass, and the series becomes cool.

Fate/Zero is the prequel series about the 4th Holy Grail War. The best way to watch Fate/Zero is as a direct sequel to the 2006 series.

Fate/Zero cannot follow Fate/UBW (path 2) because the characters that Fate/Zero fleshes out are killed off in the UBW path.

Major spoilers for my explanation:
Spoiler:
Fate/Zero is ultimately about Emiya Shiro's adopted father: Kiritsugu. And it establishes Kiritsugu as the blood-father of Illyasviel von Einzbern.

Alas, Illyasviel von Einzbern is brutally killed before you learn her story in Fate/UBW. So the relationship between her and Emiya is never fleshed out. This story path ONLY makes sense as a follow on to Fate/Stay Night.

Not only Illyasviel, but the priest Kirie is the chief villain and rival in Fate/Zero. Kirie is killed off before doing much in UBW however.


raudorn wrote:So I guess my questions are: What can you recommend that's similar in presentation to F/SN(UBW) and how the hell do acronyms work with punctuated titles?


Watch them in the order they were released chronologically. If you don't like Fate/Stay Night, come back here for spoilers, and then start Fate/Stay Unlimited Blade Works.

I can see that UBW can stand on its own, and its the best done version of the story so far (clearly the most money into animation). But if you watch UBW first, you literally won't be able to put up with the dumbass that is Path1 Emiya Shiro. UBW is the second path. Its "more epic", it one-ups everything that happens in the first path.

But UBW also kills of certain characters that were fleshed out in Path 1 (FS/N), so you never get to learn their story.

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As good as UBW was, they totally violate this one IMO on multiple fronts. There are straight up 5 to 10 minute monologues in the middle of some fight scenes.

Things like non-continuous, art-shifted animation for emotions/reactions, high volume voice acting, inconsistent power levels (aaah, plotkai), talking-is-a-free-action, determination-driven technology, emotional reasoning (as opposed to reasoning about emotions), Schrödinger's retcons, no conservation of travel time (though almost all fiction falls prey to that one), informed intelligence and so on.


Fate/Stay Night actually did a lot of those things better than UBW IMO. Based on your little paragraph here, you might actually prefer the 2006 series.

Fate/Stay Night follows the harem tropes however. Tons of girls living in the house of one dude, random naked scenes, the "date episode", etc. etc. So be ready to put up with that. It doesn't happen as much in UBW however (its still there, just not as overpowering as it was in FS/N).
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby raudorn » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:30 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:Watch them in the order they were released chronologically. If you don't like Fate/Stay Night, come back here for spoilers, and then start Fate/Stay Unlimited Blade Works.

Thanks for the detailed input, I really appreciate it. Although, to be honest, it sounds more like I should stick with UBW (three episodes in, now) and ignore F/SN 2006. I do like UBW so far, but I'm not invested enough to hunt down every installment of the fate "franchise", like I would do with other shows. If F/SN 2006 has a stronger focus on romance and features a protagonist more "idiotic" than UBW, it's not something that I'd deliberately watch. If I feel unsatisfied by the series' resolution, I might change my mind or I might just read a summary of the plot.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:51 pm UTC

raudorn wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:Watch them in the order they were released chronologically. If you don't like Fate/Stay Night, come back here for spoilers, and then start Fate/Stay Unlimited Blade Works.

Thanks for the detailed input, I really appreciate it. Although, to be honest, it sounds more like I should stick with UBW (three episodes in, now) and ignore F/SN 2006. I do like UBW so far, but I'm not invested enough to hunt down every installment of the fate "franchise", like I would do with other shows. If F/SN 2006 has a stronger focus on romance and features a protagonist more "idiotic" than UBW, it's not something that I'd deliberately watch. If I feel unsatisfied by the series' resolution, I might change my mind or I might just read a summary of the plot.


Yeah, the main issue is that because UBW is designed to be "watched after" Fate/Stay Night, it has spoilers (for FS/N) as early as episode 4 or so. If you don't plan to go back... I guess things will work out.

Frankly, I'm curious what your opinion will be watching UBW without knowing the characters. So please give your thoughts when you're done!

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Spoilers for Episode 2 of Unlimited Blade Works:

Spoiler:
In case you're curious where Fate/Stay Night diverges from Fate/Unlimited Blade Works. Emiya Shiro does NOT activate his command seal in the Archer vs Saber match in F/SN. But in F/UBW, Emia Shiro activates it, which forces Saber to stop fighting.


So basically, Episode 1 and 2 of UBW is identical to F/SN. Beyond that, the stories are dramatically different.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby raudorn » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:51 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:Frankly, I'm curious what your opinion will be watching UBW without knowing the characters. So please give your thoughts when you're done!

Alright, I'm done with Season 1 now, so I'll give my opinion before I forget what my initial thoughts were. I'll spare you my musing about the plot, though, as that's a whole different beast.

Overall, it shows that the work is based on another work with more romantic leanings. Especially the female characters basically all suffer from the fact that they're potential love interests for Shirou (I think?) in addition to being their own character.

Rin: The bait in bait-and-switch-protagonist.
She's likeable when on her own, I guess. Though when among her peers, or in interaction with anyone really, she has these strange mood swings. Her character is all over the place. It may be that I don't get all the subtext due to ignorance about the other "fate" works, or maybe it's cultural differences1 or maybe she's just that moody. In combat she's confident about her own abilities one second, then a scaredy cat the next. For now I operate under the assumption "all of the above".

Shirou: Gotta have red hair.
He has two modes. One is the neutral mode, where he exists to bring out the personality within other characters. The other one is the Determinator mode, where rules don't apply and he is fueled by some form of hero complex that is significantly more power-inducing and just as stupid. Shirou is also absolutely terrible at making decisions in either mode.

Archer: Chill dude.
I really like him. He's calm, makes no unnecessary talk and confident in what he does. Slightly sketchy actions here and there, but hey, at least he's open about his motivations. However I think he's hiding something that will most likely make for a dramatic reveal in the final episode.

Saber: Living proof that the Worf Effect is alive and well.
She's likeable too, except maybe a bit too passive for who she supposedly is. Then again, could be weird servant magicks with their commands and stuff.

Sakura: Does she squeak when squeezed?
Started off as mousy, got a bit of a bite, then became irrelevant. If this was a video game, she's like that side quest in the starter town that you'll never come back to.

Kirei Kotomine: Shady priest is shady.
He's either terrible at hiding his alignment or is actually a good guy and doesn't know he comes off as morally ambigous. If so, this is some Severus Snape level type of triple agent,

Taiga Fujimura2: Who the hell is a teacher at 25?
I like her. She's goofy, but not to the extremes where she'd be insane or stupid in comparison to the other characters. However she's also on her way to becoming irrelevant not in terms of screen time, but impact.

Shinji: Kharma Houdini.
I'm interested in his motivations and background. So far all we see of him is of the type Eveel McEvil, that makes me wonder how the hell the guy is still alive. He has like zero competence that would explain how he hasn't tripped on his own slime yet.

1 For example I really don't understand the interactions about house guests and/or staying over for dinner and/or the night.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:06 pm UTC

raudorn wrote:Overall, it shows that the work is based on another work with more romantic leanings. Especially the female characters basically all suffer from the fact that they're potential love interests for Shirou (I think?) in addition to being their own character.


Thanks for the rundown. :-)

Saber: Living proof that the Worf Effect is alive and well.
She's likeable too, except maybe a bit too passive for who she supposedly is. Then again, could be weird servant magicks with their commands and stuff.


A spoiler for Fate/Stay night:

Spoiler:
Saber is definitely in "Worf" mode for a good chunk of UBW. But she is without a doubt the heroine of Fate / Stay Night. Since UBW is not Saber's arc, she does far less in this UBW than in F/SN.


In any case, understanding Saber arguably requires a bit of understanding of the Yamato Nadeshiko. There's always the suggestion that the Yamato Nadeshiko is "too passive". See Belldandy from Ah! My Goddess. Belldandy may be an all-powerful 1st class goddess (literally second only to "The Almighty" within Ah! My Goddess), but also follows a lot of the same character traits that are seen positively in Japan but not looked too well Western contexts. If there was one thing I didn't like about Saber, its the "politeness" does seem to edge towards "passivity" within the Yamato Nadeshiko concept.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... oNadeshiko

Of course, the real Yamato Nadeshiko is Sakura (good at cooking, always at Shiro's side before the story started, etc. etc.) But Saber draws upon the concept strongly as well. She's not a good cook and doesn't do any housework... but Saber is a very "mature" character. She's literally a noble, extremely loyal, wise and mature.

I think it may have something to do with the "Don't speak out of turn". The character archetype isn't supposed to ever seem rude, and if they are to control a conversation its through subtlety as opposed to direct confrontation. These attributes are seen as maturity in the Japanese context. In any case, Saber certainly has a few key actions in the other arcs that are "out of turn" that solidify her moral code and her character development.

Rin: The bait in bait-and-switch-protagonist.
She's likeable when on her own, I guess. Though when among her peers, or in interaction with anyone really, she has these strange mood swings. Her character is all over the place. It may be that I don't get all the subtext due to ignorance about the other "fate" works, or maybe it's cultural differences1 or maybe she's just that moody. In combat she's confident about her own abilities one second, then a scaredy cat the next. For now I operate under the assumption "all of the above".


Its called a Tsundere. In essence, the character archetype is about those mood swings.

Fortunately, Rin is also just a lot deeper of a character than just "Tsun-tsun / Dere-dere" (Roughly translating to "Hot" and "Cool"). You'll learn more about her in Fate/Zero (they dedicate an exclusive episode to Rin, and lot of characters comment on events that strongly determine Rin's character).

Honestly, Rin is one of the better Tsunderes that exist in anime. Indeed, Rin is considered one of the prototypes for the modern Tsun-dere. Her actions actually make sense, especially from the context of her history. A lot of Tsunderes are Tsun-tsun / dere-dere just to follow the trope. But Fate/Stay manages to weave the story into the character archetype... instead of simply copy/paste the archetype into the story.

Archer: Chill dude.
I really like him. He's calm, makes no unnecessary talk and confident in what he does. Slightly sketchy actions here and there, but hey, at least he's open about his motivations. However I think he's hiding something that will most likely make for a dramatic reveal in the final episode.


If you very carefully rewatch the first two episodes of UBW...

I probably shouldn't say much more than that. But yeah, there's a lot of hints towards Archer's character that adds a lot of rewatch value to those early episodes. I would suggest rewatching those episodes after you're done with the whole show so you can understand the character's trajectory.

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I'm not going to discuss the other ones. I feel like I'm already edging into "spoiler" territory with the words above. So I'll just shut up now. Hope you enjoy the 2nd half!
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:08 am UTC

raudorn wrote:Taiga Fujimura2: Who the hell is a teacher at 25?


You haven't watched GTO have you? (Also I think I have met teachers as young as that).

I am watching Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon; nothing special but I like it. It is cute and funny.

(I am a bit sad to say that this is almost my favorite 2017 show so far after 3-gatsu no Lion)

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Postby ConMan » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:21 pm UTC

Grop wrote:
raudorn wrote:Taiga Fujimura2: Who the hell is a teacher at 25?


You haven't watched GTO have you? (Also I think I have met teachers as young as that).

I am watching Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon; nothing special but I like it. It is cute and funny.

(I am a bit sad to say that this is almost my favorite 2017 show so far after 3-gatsu no Lion)

It is a pretty entertaining show, although sometimes I think the 30-second scenese are the best part.

Interviews with Demi-humans (Demi-chan wa Kataritai) is good for small bites of heartwarming light comedy.

Fuuka is high school romance drama with characters who aren't *complete* idiots.

Classicaloid is an entertaining show, but as it goes on I realise that it could easily lose half its episodes and get to some actual plot.

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Also, probably to some extent riding on the success of Yuri!!!!! On Ice (because apparently he's got a really exciting name), in a few seasons we'll have "Welcome to the Ballroom"/Ballroom e Youkoso, and I am probably one of the most excited people about this since one of the first conversations I ever had with the lady I eventually married was discussing a theoretical anime about ballroom dancing.
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Postby Grop » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:32 am UTC

Demi-chan looks decent, but I am already reading the manga. It's funny how the author can't draw a nose.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:27 pm UTC

I have just watched Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honnêamise, a Gainax movie from 1987. I wouldn't say I am fond of the story, but it looks so good especially characters.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Jorpho » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:08 pm UTC

I do not quite understand the enormous popularity of Royal Space Force. It did not do much for me at all.

Did anyone else here catch Your Name during its limited theatrical release? The hype there is very well-deserved, I must say; people will be talking about that one for a long time. (And I say that despite being not moved much at all by Five Centimeters Per Second.) The only real problem with it is that it is anchored in such a fundamentally goofy premise – but it is so much more than that.

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Postby Zohar » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:26 pm UTC

I LOVED Your Name. It is still showing, apparently. I'd be interested in going again, if my friends were into it.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby sardia » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:50 pm UTC

Anyone watched re: creators? I always have a soft spot for subverted tropes.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby ConMan » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:55 am UTC

Jorpho wrote:I do not quite understand the enormous popularity of Royal Space Force. It did not do much for me at all.

Did anyone else here catch Your Name during its limited theatrical release? The hype there is very well-deserved, I must say; people will be talking about that one for a long time. (And I say that despite being not moved much at all by Five Centimeters Per Second.) The only real problem with it is that it is anchored in such a fundamentally goofy premise – but it is so much more than that.

Australia got it late last year, and it was really good (and I think it ran for about 3-4 weeks after originally being slated for one, so clearly I was not the only person who thought as much). I loved how one of the most emotionally tense scenes was also one of the silliest, and I loved the music so much I have the soundtrack. I feel that I should watch it again when it gets a home release because I'm sure there was a ton of stuff at the start I missed.

Speaking of anime films with theatrical releases (big thanks to our local distributor, Madman, for being on the ball with them), I'm so annoyed I missed "A Silent Voice"/"Koe no Katachi". We left the country just before the run started, and got back about two days after it finished (at least here, it's still running in other cities). Our flatmate highly recommends it.
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Postby Zohar » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:50 pm UTC

sardia wrote:Anyone watched re: creators? I always have a soft spot for subverted tropes.

Is the only place to watch it (legally, in the US) on Amazon, where you have to pay extra money in addition to your prime subscription?
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby sardia » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:44 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
sardia wrote:Anyone watched re: creators? I always have a soft spot for subverted tropes.

Is the only place to watch it (legally, in the US) on Amazon, where you have to pay extra money in addition to your prime subscription?

https://myanimelist.net/news/50177080
According to this list, you are correct. You'll have to wait until the Blu Rays come out in 6 months, and then again in a year as this is a 2 cour show. I'm having a similar problem finding a source for Quan Zhi Gao Shou. Chinese made anime, so almost nobody subs it. It's a shame since it's decently made.

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Postby Zohar » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:50 pm UTC

It looks like they have a free trial for a month, I might do that once it comes out in its entirety if people like it enough.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby sardia » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:32 pm UTC

You're against direct downloads as well?
I dislike paying for small slices of streaming, like getting HBO, Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon prime. It's almost as bad as paying for Blu Rays value wise. Completely defeats the purpose of cord cutting.

This season is starting off much better than last season. There's that
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Postby Zohar » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:30 pm UTC

sardia wrote:You're against direct downloads as well?
I dislike paying for small slices of streaming, like getting HBO, Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon prime. It's almost as bad as paying for Blu Rays value wise. Completely defeats the purpose of cord cutting.

At least with Netflix and Amazon Prime I get stuff I enjoy. Netflix gives me lots of shows. Amazon Prime doesn't have that many shows (that I care about) but other benefits that are more interesting to me (shipping). I tried Hulu for a bit but they're not too interesting and their ads are obnoxious, and HBO has even less of a variety for me.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:47 pm UTC

I first dismissed Re:Creators as yet another Re:Re:Zero, but I am now watching it and I really like it. I especially like Mamika and how she evolved from super naive to an interesting character.

These days I am also watching Alice to Zouroku; not very pretty but I am interested in the story.

Lately I watched cat soup, a 30-minute movie (it is available on Youtube). Very nice! I am afraid I had to look up the plot because I didn't understand it. Then I looked up the director, and am now watching Nadesico.

I really like the humor, as well as the references to older anime. But quite often they distract me out of the story and I have to rewatch an episode because I can't remember what happened outside of jokes. I am still early in the series, and it seems the story will be serious/dramatic; but then it's curious how humorous everything is.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:58 pm UTC

After watching 30 episodes, I guess I should admit it...

I actually like Dragonball Super. It unabashedly follows the DBZ tropes that everyone makes fun of. Goku finds a new enemy, enemy proves to be too powerful. But then Goku goes +1. Then the enemy goes +1. Then Goku's +1 surpasses previous expectations and then he wins.

Spoiler:
Except not really. Goku hasn't won a serious fight yet. He lost to Beerus and he lost to Frieza (when Frieza's henchmen fired a laser at Goku, ending the fight. I guess it was obvious that Goku would have won otherwise... but still...). Then, in the Universe 6 vs Universe 7 tournament, Goku loses in the 2nd round.

Goku's current "Trainer" (Whiz) is clearly an incredibly powerful entity. Unlike the previous trainers: King Kai or Master Roshi... it seems unlikely that Goku would ever match Whiz (or Whiz's top student: the God of Destruction Beerus) in a fight. Its odd that Goku isn't the strongest character in the show, but it offers a refreshing angle somehow.

The "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" form really demonstrates that Akira Toriyama is just having fun with this and might be fucking with us. I find that hilarious. The only thing that really pisses me off so far is how weak Gohan is. They sorta try to excuse it by saying Gohan has been studying and is a scholar who has forgotten to train recently... but... Gohan is quite pathetic right now.


A lot of it is also just me forgetting how quirky the whole story is. Dr. Briefs has a daughter named Bumla (Bloomers). Bulma's son is Trunks. And Bulma's sister is Tights. Emperer Pilaf (yeah, he came around) has two henchmen, named "Shu" and "Mai".

Vegita (Vegitables) is the prince of all Saiyans. Goku's Saiyan name is "Kakarot" (carrot), and previous Saiyans were Nappa (Cabbage) and Raditz (Radish). Freiza's family name is similarly quirky: with his father King Cold and the brother Cooler.

These are things that have always been inside the DBZ universe, but I just... have forgotten over the years. There's something entertaining about it all however.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:37 pm UTC

I tried watching Dragon Ball Super, but it's quite ugly, and very slow and boring (but then DBZ was also very slow).

Regarding Gohan, he was supposed to be the main character in the first half of DBZ, except for all these parts where Goku eventually saved everyone. But he has been weak and useless since the beginning of the Majin Boo arc.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:54 pm UTC

Grop wrote:I tried watching Dragon Ball Super, but it's quite ugly, and very slow and boring (but then DBZ was also very slow).


Boring is a matter of taste, so I'm not sure I can argue with that. I think a more agreeable word is "simple", because the DBZ plotline doesn't have much depth to it at all. I do agree its slow. Its the original "Shonen" after all, so yeah... its a slow series.

I dunno if I can call DBZ ugly. In fact, I'm drawn to DBZ's art style because Toriyama actually likes diversity in character faces and body types. For the most part, the typical anime only varies hair style and clothes... but Toriyama's DBZ style varies body-type significantly... aside from characters who are obviously related. There really isn't anyone else in the show who looks like say... Beerus (the new character introduced in 'Super'). Even Beerus's twin brother Champa has a different body type (fat vs thin is a simple way to change things up... but it works)

Its artstyle is "Quirky", with the pros and cons of it similar to One Piece (or hell, Mickey Mouse and other American cartoons). The hodgepodge of styles seems messy from one perspective, but its similarly refreshing to see something new. The typical "Upside-down Pentagon Face with various Hairstyles" does get a bit... repetitive after a while. So I appreciate the designers who break away from the mold.

Not that I'm hating on the "Bishonen face" or "Moe-blobs" or anything: I appreciate those who try to master an archetypical "anime style" for sure. But I also appreciate Toriyama and Oda who explicitly try to blaze a new artistic creation. (The One-Punch Man designs were also nice IMO and deserve a mention).

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Anyway, perhaps its a manner of how you consume Dragonball Super. Don't "binge watch" all of Dragonball Super. The plot is extremely simplistic, and the show is very poor for binge watching IMO. Instead, its a good show to watch in between say... "Attack on Titan" and "Your Lie in April".
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:51 pm UTC

Just to clarify, I can't indeed argue about boring, but I mostly meant so slow I am bored. I am also uninterested in the story, but I wouldn't claim it is especially bad.

Regarding ugliness, I don't mind Toriyama's designs, but I am not impressed by the way they move. (Maybe I am misusing the word ugly).

Anyway, I wouldn't want to talk you out of watching this show.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:49 pm UTC

Lately I watched (7 episodes of) Seikaisuru Kado; this series has some merits, but every crisis is eventually solved because the ET can solve everything (which bored me). Fun thing is, I think the protagonist is the ugliest character in the show.

Among positive things about this show, it is apparently 100% cgi, but I think it is quite successful in that regard. I loved Sidonia no Kishi and Ajin due to their stories (I even read Sidonia no Kishi, the manga, after watching the anime; this is not something I do often), but I think their main weakness was the looks. Seikaisuru Kado seems to be doing the same thing technically, and manages to look good. (Except, according to my tastes, for the protagonist; I may find it so funny it would be a plus).

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:42 pm UTC

Summer has started with its anime series. So far I mostly noticed Made in Abyss which looks very good. I may read the manga if the anime disappoints me with some cheap episodes (as happens often these days), because it really *look* good.

Episode 1 of Centaur no Nayami was nice as well, although I don't have big expectations on this.

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Fleeting thougts...

I often hear of read the claim that France is the biggest market* for manga after Japan (obviously). It may follow that we are also a large audience for anime and so on. But I can't find any sources for that, so this may be bull. However out of curiosity I also decided to look up the audiences of youtube channels. What are the most popular English speaking Youtube channels about anime?

The ones I know (and follow) are Digibro and Mother's Basement, ~300k subscribers each. A google search suggested me a channel named "Top Anime Weekly" with 427k subscribers. The main French youtuber on this is LeChefOtaku and has 390k subscribers. Number two (that I can think of) has ~200k.

This is quite impressive when you compare demographics (on other subjects English speaking youtubers are much more popular than the French ones). Or am I making a mistake?

* they must mean per capita; but then with no sources~

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby ConMan » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:20 pm UTC

If you're one of the 3 other people who have an Amazon Prime subscription (actually, that might be up to 10 because American Gods is pretty damn good now), then last season brought Re:Creators which is one of the most meta things I've ever watched, and which is continuing this season. They've also got the first episode of Welcome to the Ballroom, which looks pretty much like it came out of the first extended discussion I ever had with the woman who is now my wife. There's also The Great Passage, which is the best anime about making a dictionary I've ever seen (but we're only up to episode 4, who knows maybe it goes downhill).
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:20 am UTC

Dragonball Super... episodes 47 through 67. This is by far, the best arc of Super so far. So I felt like sharing my thoughts to those who care.

Spoiler:
"Future" Trunks comes back. We learn about time-rings / multiverse theory from the perspective of the Kais. (Oh snap, someone else just messed up with time. Look, another Time Ring in the box...). Its kind of... unsettling... that the Time Rings are the property of "Universe 10", which implies that messing with the timelines really generates a new set of 12-universes each time.

Now... the entire arc is just a giant Deus Ex Machina. The problem was entirely solved by calling Zen-Oh, and then Zen-Oh just insta-wins the battle in the least glorious form ever. Normally, I find Deus Ex Machina to be a horrible and lazy literary device, but I found it to be worthwhile. The fact that Goku made a promise with "Present" Zen-Oh that he was going to bring a very interesting friend along (and then used "Future" Zen-Oh to be said-friend) really made the Deus-ex Machina play seem quite elegant.

Its one thing if you invoke "Deus Ex Machina" to just win the fight. But when it elegantly solves the problem because of the entire story setup (including the comedy / lighthearted problems about "finding a friend for Zen-Oh")... there's something respectable about that. Furthermore, because they pushed the "Zen-Oh" button, the entire timeline was destroyed, except for (Future) Zen-Oh, who now needs a friend to play with.

A few notes:

* I enjoy mysteries a lot. The Trunks timeline thing has always been an interesting thought experiment to me: in DBZ, the original "who is Cell" mystery finally being resolved as 'Future Future Trunks was defeated, and Cell used Future-Future Time Machine to the present" was an interesting reveal. Dragonball Super continues the tradition with time-travel mystery shenanigans with "Goku Black" being Zamasu abusing the powers of the Super-Dragon Balls and the Time Ring combined.

* The original theory laid out by the story (that Goku Black was an entity that the Super-Dragonballs created when Zamasu wished for him) was illogical at the start. We knew Zamasu was immortal, and the rules state that Super-Dragonballs only work once per soul. So Zamasu couldn't have made two Super-wishes.

* And yet, the show "sold" the story extremely well. I personally thought it was just an inconsistency for some time, and accepted Whis's explanation. But what I wasn't expecting was for it to be a giant red-herring all along. Very intelligently played: the "REAL" solution was far more satisfying. (That "Present" Zamasu made a wish, while "Future" Zamasu made the wish for immortality across two different timelines)

* Its not a "real" mystery of course. The lack of red-herrings meant that all fingers pointed at Zamasu the whole time. And of course, a real mystery story is not allowed to provide "the supernatural" as the answer to the puzzle.

* The "Tier List" of entities stronger than Goku continues to grow. We now have Zen-Oh, The Great Priest, Whis, and Beerus as all significantly more powerful than Goku.


The show ends up being highly consistent and well thought out. I really say that I was impressed by the delivery overall. Even if it took 20 episodes for basically the Deus Ex Machina to end all Deus Ex Machinas (go big or go home I guess? Lol). And the mystery-element may have been "solution by supernatural wishes", but it seemed consistent within the rules of the Dragonball universe.

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I attended a convention recently. As far as I can tell, the biggest anime right now seemed to be Little Witch Academia on Netflix, and Kobayashi's Dragon Maid.

I don't have Netflix (or Prime for that matter). Just Crunchyroll. I've seen a bit of Kobayashi's Dragon Maid and its... surprisingly decent. About as decent as an all-female cast of Yuri-Dragons can get anyway. The "Pissing Contest between assholes anime" (aka: Saga of Tanya the Evil) was somewhat interesting in the ~5 episodes I saw of it.
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Postby ConMan » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:08 am UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:I attended a convention recently. As far as I can tell, the biggest anime right now seemed to be Little Witch Academia on Netflix, and Kobayashi's Dragon Maid.

I don't have Netflix (or Prime for that matter). Just Crunchyroll. I've seen a bit of Kobayashi's Dragon Maid and its... surprisingly decent. About as decent as an all-female cast of Yuri-Dragons can get anyway. The "Pissing Contest between assholes anime" (aka: Saga of Tanya the Evil) was somewhat interesting in the ~5 episodes I saw of it.

Kobayashi was very entertaining, and I could easily watch more of it. Of the stuff on Crunchyroll, I think My Hero Academia is one of the strongest contenders (pun intended).
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:39 am UTC

ConMan wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:I attended a convention recently. As far as I can tell, the biggest anime right now seemed to be Little Witch Academia on Netflix, and Kobayashi's Dragon Maid.

I don't have Netflix (or Prime for that matter). Just Crunchyroll. I've seen a bit of Kobayashi's Dragon Maid and its... surprisingly decent. About as decent as an all-female cast of Yuri-Dragons can get anyway. The "Pissing Contest between assholes anime" (aka: Saga of Tanya the Evil) was somewhat interesting in the ~5 episodes I saw of it.

Kobayashi was very entertaining, and I could easily watch more of it. Of the stuff on Crunchyroll, I think My Hero Academia is one of the strongest contenders (pun intended).


The characters in Dragon Maid are growing on me. Early on the jokes are pretty immature IMO... but once the characters are fleshed out, they kind of are more "realistic" and "natural". And the whole group dynamic starts to work out when the full cast is assembled.

If anyone plans to watch it, be sure to watch till episode 3 or so IMO before judging.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:58 am UTC

I really liked Kobayashi. I am also following Re:creators (I may have mentioned this before). The direction it is taking is a bit weird, but so far they have managed to make everything interesting.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby ConMan » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:09 am UTC

Grop wrote:I really liked Kobayashi. I am also following Re:creators (I may have mentioned this before). The direction it is taking is a bit weird, but so far they have managed to make everything interesting.

I was worried that it would wind up being a dumb action show with a neat premise, but it looks like they're taking it in some interesting directions. There's occasional fridge logic, but I'm fine with it. They also managed to do something incredibly rare, which is have a mid-season recap episode that was actually entertaining, mostly because it made use of an, if not unreliable narrator, at least one willing to drop some shade on the other characters.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:03 pm UTC

Critics from Annecy festival were quite positive about In This Corner of the World, a movie that I plan to watch in a theater when it is available in my country.

I have just seen Mai Mai Miracle (2009) from the same director, it was very beautiful.


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