Adacore wrote:On the Tullys and other as-yet-unseen characters (book 3 spoilers):Spoiler:It's been stated a few times that they delayed the casting of several characters in order to save money and not have main-cast actors sit around with nothing to do for a full season. I'm pretty sure we're getting Edmure and the Blackfish in season 3 (which is almost definitely going to end with the red wedding). I think they've also cast Jojen and Meera, so Bran's storyline next year might start with meeting them before Osha and Rickon head off south (if they do).
The major question I have from that ending is whether we're going to get Arstan. The subplot with Illyrio sending a ship for Dany hasn't played out yet (with her planning to buy one), but I guess it still could. If we do have Arstan, the big questions become whether we'll get Ian McElhinney back to play him and whether the non-book-readers will recognise him and/or remember who he is.
LaserGuy wrote:Spoiler:I'm not completely convinced that the Red Wedding will end Season 3. I'm assuming that book 3 will take up most of Seasons 3 and 4, with Joffrey's death coming at the climax of Season 3, and the Red Wedding falling late in Season 4. I think this way works better for some of the other plots that would otherwise have a lot of ground to cover in Season 3 and very little in Season 4 (Arya, most notably).
I think Arstan has to show up. He's a POV character in the books, remember (not till book five, granted). I think it would be a pretty major change from canon not to have him around. When something has been foreshadowed quite a bit earlier in the show, they normally do a flashback to that scene in the intro, which would probably be sufficient to twig people's memories. Maybe.
Yakk wrote:I suppose you can always inject the Reeds later on...
David Benioff noted during the airing of the second season that they would delay the introduction of several key characters first appearing in A Clash of Kings until the third season, citing the large number of characters already introduced in season two. Dan Weiss added that they couldn't afford to have people "waiting around" for their characters to become central to the plot.
According to Entertainment Weekly, Benioff and Weiss confirmed that the following characters will be cast for season 3 along with "a few others":
Mance Rayder, the Wildling "King beyond the Wall"
Tormund Giantsbane, a Wildling raider
Daario Naharis, a Tyroshi mercenary captain
Jojen and Meera Reed, two young Crannogman siblings
Edmure Tully, Catelyn Stark's brother and head of House Tully
Brynden Tully, the "Blackfish", Catelyn's uncle
Selyse Baratheon, Stannis Baratheon's wife
Shireen Baratheon, their daughter; cast with Kerry Ingram
Olenna Redwyne, the "Queen of Thorns", Margaery and Loras Tyrell's grandmother
Beric Dondarrion, the leader of the "Brotherhood without Banners" (the character already appeared briefly in a scene in season 1)
Thoros of Myr, a red priest with the Brotherhood
Yakk wrote:The question the thought experiment I posted is aimed at answering: When falling in a black hole, do you see the entire universe's future history train-car into your ass, or not?
CorruptUser wrote:Season 3Spoiler:Wait, Mance wasn't in the beginning of Season 1?
Diadem wrote:CorruptUser wrote:Season 3Spoiler:Wait, Mance wasn't in the beginning of Season 1?Spoiler:You mean the opening scene of S1E1? No, those are Others, or at least their doing. I think the idea is that others create zombies, but aren't themselves.
Mance is a normal human. A nightwatch deserter who joined the wildlings and kinda became their leader. The wildlings are normal humans too, not allied to the Others or anything. They just live beyond the wall, but like doing raids, so they are considered enemies.
The wall was built against the Others, but these days mostly everybody thinks they are a myth, and the wall is just to keep wildlings out.
JudeMorrigan wrote:He might have meant (relatively minor book spoiler):Spoiler:at the feast where Ned welcomed King Robert. In theory, Mance should have been there, but I'd totally give the producers a pass on "he just wasn't on-screen". Unless there was someone there who was obviously supposed to be Mance. It's been a while since I watched the episode, and don't really recall one way or the other.
JudeMorrigan wrote:Spoiler:at the feast where Ned welcomed King Robert. In theory, Mance should have been there, but I'd totally give the producers a pass on "he just wasn't on-screen". Unless there was someone there who was obviously supposed to be Mance. It's been a while since I watched the episode, and don't really recall one way or the other.
Obby wrote:Woah wait, what?
Yeah, I think they ended up tying that up nicely, as with most of the other differences I'd worried about within the second book/season itself. (Which is to say, other ones don't need to be resolved for plot reasons yet until one of the next couple of seasons.)Yakk wrote:I dunno. Latest episode [ep 8 I believe] spoiler:gmalivuk wrote:On divergences in general, though, I agree with Adacore that they're not all that bad. Sure, some lead to slightly out-of-character weirdness like Arya and Tywin's interactionsSpoiler:The fact that she was saving up her #3, and lost it, and then pulled off the clever bit, worked reasonably well. And the reason why she didn't use it earlier is that she is learning things, and didn't think that she would be blindsided and lose her chance at it... You'll note that #1 was a "poor wish" (a test wish, effectively), and #2 was a wish of desperation. She saved #3 for Tywin, but waited too long... and decided to get clever with it.
Agreed on pretty much all counts. I would have liked to see Tyrion's full plan from the book come to fruition, but obviously that (along with most of the other details of the battle, such as fighting on a bridge of burning shipwrecks and so on) would have been even more expensive to do than the episode already was. I was rooting somewhat more for Stannis in the book, but in the show I think Varys puts into excellent perspective why anyone interested in protecting the realm as a whole (which includes him as well as presumably most of the audience) shouldn't hope too strongly for either side to win. Joffrey is a completely shit king, but Stannis is quite literally in bed with some pretty powerful supernatural forces, so his ruling Westeros probably wouldn't be too great, either.Diadem wrote:Awesome episode all around. Very interesting that they completely cut out all the other story lines, and focusses exclusively on this one. It worked very well. They really pulled off a lot of great battle scenes on a very little budget. That wild fire explosion looked awesome.
I loved the contrast between Stannis and Joffrey. With the onion knight in a very nice role early on, the only one in Stannis' army who didn't assume the battle was won before it started. In the book the opening scene of the battle is described from his point of view, and ends as he's blasted into the water, with everything burning around him. The show made it slightly less panicky, but it still worked.
What made the show awesome was that one part of you wants the city to fall, while another wants it to hold. I want to see Joffrey burn, but I don't want to see Tyrion lose. You want Davos Seaworth to have a happy ending, but you don't want Stannis on the iron throne either. Though he's better than Joffrey, of course. Some many conflicting interests, all you can do is watch and wait what happens.
johnie104 wrote:Book spoilers:Spoiler:On the show Shae comes over as way more honest about her 'love'. I wonder if the show writers are really going the way of the book with her character.
On a seperate note, from the wikipedia page of the third season:
"According to Benioff, the third season will contain a particularly memorable scene from A Storm of Swords, the prospect of filming which was part of their motivation to adapt the novels for television in the first place."
Is it just me, or can this only be the Red Wedding?
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pseudoidiot wrote:Continued book spoilers.Spoiler:Yeah, in 5 books I can't think of any scene as memorable as the Red Wedding.
sourmilk wrote:Well, I'm still technically correct. The best kind of correct.
Felstaff wrote:The actual fuck? I'm jealous and concerned in equal measure. Can you download this? (and the texture pack, I presume, that is needed)
Mat wrote:Spoiler:Robb's storyline especially - it's hard to get a sense of what's happening at the moment, because we're just getting these short scenes that don't appear to move the plot forward. It's not like things aren't happening, it's just that we don't see any consequences for one or two episodes so it feels a bit aimless.
I like how Catelyn's dreamcatcher mumbo jumbo showed a bit of the cultural difference between Robb's wife and the Westerosi, but they lost me at the Jon Snow stuff, which just didn't feel believable, and I don't think they emphasised the whole "sons probably dead" thing enough.
book and show spoilersSpoiler:I feel like that's kind of how I remember it in the books, though, anyway. Even less involved though, since it seemed like we would mostly hear about Rob fighting in some battle or another, but it was generally through the frame of reference of someone far away, so it was hard to say what was rumors and what was true.
the wall scene/hinted at future book spoilerSpoiler:I don't know, I think this scene fit. It was a necessary scene at some point, and it keeps you up with where they are and the general mood. It might have fit better in the episode where he earns his new title, but it may just have not fit that way (no other scenes they wanted to bring into this episode without messing with the flow even more).
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