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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Zohar » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:41 pm UTC

Now I kind of want to rewatch Iron Man and Pacific Rim, which is probably not a bad idea in general. Also, what would be the porn name of Pacific Rim? I mean it's kind of in the name already. I hope it has RobotXKaiju sex.

Edit: Apparently it's simply "Pacific Rim Job"
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby Flumble » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:27 pm UTC

Actually, (re-)watching pacific rim is a very bad idea. That film focuses far too much on "the people inside the machine" who are, like every single character in that film, utterly bland and/or unlikeable. Iron man is a good idea. :)

Contrarily, (I'm a bit late to the party) the latest episode of GoT had some great pay-offs to emotional investments. And the pacing/cinematography was excellent and the CGI wasn't wasted on dragons lighting one ship but actual grandeur. :D
I'm so glad with this episode that I'll simply block the scene with Arya from memory —the Freys probably choked on a pie or something.

Anyway, why was Pycelle killed? Maybe my memory's going bad, but he was merely rooting for everyone-but-Cersei, he didn't hold any power, right?
Also, not inviting your brother/lover to your own crowning really puts a dent in your relationship. Cersei's spite level (or self-loathing, can't tell which is which with her) is over 9000.

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Postby Lucrece » Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:54 am UTC

Flumble wrote:Actually, (re-)watching pacific rim is a very bad idea. That film focuses far too much on "the people inside the machine" who are, like every single character in that film, utterly bland and/or unlikeable. Iron man is a good idea. :)

Contrarily, (I'm a bit late to the party) the latest episode of GoT had some great pay-offs to emotional investments. And the pacing/cinematography was excellent and the CGI wasn't wasted on dragons lighting one ship but actual grandeur. :D
I'm so glad with this episode that I'll simply block the scene with Arya from memory —the Freys probably choked on a pie or something.

Anyway, why was Pycelle killed? Maybe my memory's going bad, but he was merely rooting for everyone-but-Cersei, he didn't hold any power, right?
Also, not inviting your brother/lover to your own crowning really puts a dent in your relationship. Cersei's spite level (or self-loathing, can't tell which is which with her) is over 9000.



Qyburn wants to be the official maester to the crown, even though he was exiled from the Citadel. There's also the fact Pycelle knows about the wildfire caches under the city, so if there are questions he could be problematic.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:22 pm UTC

Also, Cercei didnt know when Jamie would be returning. The Kingdom needs someone crowned, and the vacuum she created needed to be filled.
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Postby Lazar » Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:44 pm UTC

I think with Jaime's return to King's Landing we're finally seeing [book spoilers]

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his show character align with his book character. In the books he turns on Cersei after learning that she's been unfaithful to him, and I think her massacre at the Sept and (perhaps more importantly) her responsibility for Tommen's suicide have brought him to the same place in the show. As I've noted above, though, there's still the issue that Tyrion's current feelings toward Jaime are greatly different in the two media.
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Postby Lazar » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:50 am UTC

Game of Thrones Plot Twist Generator.

For serious, though, I recently saw a good point brought up: Tyrion felt nothing but affection for Myrcella (and Tommen), so how is he going to react when he learns that the Sand Snakes – currently a major part of Dany's alliance – killed her? Is the show setting us up for another Davos-style confrontation, or will D&D simply ignore it, having gotten lost in the brambles of their convoluted plot?
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Postby LaserGuy » Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:17 am UTC

Fun...

a Faceless Man will ally with Podrick Payne to plot revenge against the First Sword of Braavos for killing a bear.
Drogon will defeat Ghost with Walder Frey's chair after swearing fealty to a Wildling Princess.
Samwell Tarly will end up marrying Cersei to cement control over The Reach.
Grey Worm will end up marrying The Prince that Was Promised to cement control over Winterfell.
The Night's King will ally with Drogon to plot revenge against a Whitewalker for killing Jon Snow.
Lyanna Mormont will bravely develop feelings for The Night's King.
Bran will devoutly assassinate a Whitewalker.


I'd consider 3/7 of those to be plausible.

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Postby maybeagnostic » Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:00 pm UTC

Lazar wrote:Is the show setting us up for another Davos-style confrontation, or will D&D simply ignore it, having gotten lost in the brambles of their convoluted plot?
My money's on the latter. The Davos confrontation was intentionally set up over several episodes and it just fizzled, can't imagine that accident would mean much. Cool observation though.
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Postby Lucrece » Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:41 am UTC

Lazar wrote:Game of Thrones Plot Twist Generator.

For serious, though, I recently saw a good point brought up: Tyrion felt nothing but affection for Myrcella (and Tommen), so how is he going to react when he learns that the Sand Snakes – currently a major part of Dany's alliance – killed her? Is the show setting us up for another Davos-style confrontation, or will D&D simply ignore it, having gotten lost in the brambles of their convoluted plot?


Well, they conveniently forgot about the standing Tyrell army in King's Landing when they blew the sept up and somehow neither Kevan or Mace had no soldiers at hand to enforce their escape from the sept and a ton of people who could have trampled a handful of robed men somehow were trapped in the sept when people wanted to get out.

So I don't expect much in the logic department.

This is a shock/hype show now.
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Postby Chen » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:00 pm UTC

Lucrece wrote:Well, they conveniently forgot about the standing Tyrell army in King's Landing when they blew the sept up and somehow neither Kevan or Mace had no soldiers at hand to enforce their escape from the sept and a ton of people who could have trampled a handful of robed men somehow were trapped in the sept when people wanted to get out.

So I don't expect much in the logic department.

This is a shock/hype show now.


It'd need to re-watch that but I thought they were only really blocking Margary and Loras from leaving. And I presume that was mainly for Loras. The armed faith people seemed to be preventing the crowd from getting to the middle where the Sparrow and such were but I don't know if everyone was really panicking about leaving.

Not that it really would have mattered considering the size of the explosion they showed.

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Postby Mauthe Dhoo » Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:00 pm UTC

I think the Faith Militant wouldn't have allowed any other armed forces into the Sept. They had become politically powerful enough to impose that rule, and why would they have wanted to let enemy blades into the room where they were about to politically decapitate their leadership?

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Postby LaserGuy » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:25 pm UTC

Mauthe Dhoo wrote:I think the Faith Militant wouldn't have allowed any other armed forces into the Sept. They had become politically powerful enough to impose that rule, and why would they have wanted to let enemy blades into the room where they were about to politically decapitate their leadership?


And even if the soldiers were waiting around outside, the place is big enough that they probably wouldn't have realized that their leaders were trying to get out.

Now, given that the Sept exploded, the king committing suicide (under, from the outside vantage point, arguably suspicious circumstances) and those soldiers being present, one might not have expected Cersei to simply ascend the throne and everyone fall in line. Especially since it's not clear how the line of succession would end up at Cersei anyway... probably it would go to some cousin of Tommen's on the Baratheon side.

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Postby Lucrece » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:27 am UTC

If we are to even assume the Tyrell host army was left behind, which I find unlikely given just earlier they were being used to threaten the faith, how in hell did that ruling army not wipe out Cersei the moment she blew up the sept.

More importantly, Cersei also killed Kevan Lannister, lord of Casterly Rock and master of the Lannister host. So, how in hell did she muster any forces to take the throne to begin with? A few Gold Company soldiers are hardly sufficient.

She virtually blacklisted herself from the entire Seven Kingdoms, and we are to believe the Golden Company is to win her the thrones when the Lannisters are also in crippling debt to the Iron Bank, and she just made herself a huge financial liability?
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Postby LaserGuy » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:40 am UTC

Lucrece wrote:If we are to even assume the Tyrell host army was left behind, which I find unlikely given just earlier they were being used to threaten the faith, how in hell did that ruling army not wipe out Cersei the moment she blew up the sept.

More importantly, Cersei also killed Kevan Lannister, lord of Casterly Rock and master of the Lannister host. So, how in hell did she muster any forces to take the throne to begin with? A few Gold Company soldiers are hardly sufficient.

She virtually blacklisted herself from the entire Seven Kingdoms, and we are to believe the Golden Company is to win her the thrones when the Lannisters are also in crippling debt to the Iron Bank, and she just made herself a huge financial liability?


It's not clear that it is widely known that Cersei was responsible for the explosion at the Sept.

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Postby Lucrece » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:42 am UTC

LaserGuy wrote:
Lucrece wrote:If we are to even assume the Tyrell host army was left behind, which I find unlikely given just earlier they were being used to threaten the faith, how in hell did that ruling army not wipe out Cersei the moment she blew up the sept.

More importantly, Cersei also killed Kevan Lannister, lord of Casterly Rock and master of the Lannister host. So, how in hell did she muster any forces to take the throne to begin with? A few Gold Company soldiers are hardly sufficient.

She virtually blacklisted herself from the entire Seven Kingdoms, and we are to believe the Golden Company is to win her the thrones when the Lannisters are also in crippling debt to the Iron Bank, and she just made herself a huge financial liability?


It's not clear that it is widely known that Cersei was responsible for the explosion at the Sept.



She was due for a trial in it. She doesn't show up. The Faith Militant is sent for her, marching across the streets. An explosion at the very place where she is to be tried for her crimes and neither her nor the king are conspicuously in it. The king shortly commits suicide after the explosion and she is crowned without so much as an investigation.

I mean, news traveled to Olenna, clearly, so it must have also traveled to Casterly Rock.
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Postby maybeagnostic » Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:39 am UTC

Very little of what happened in Season 6 makes any sense when you think about the larger narrative and the logic of the world.

However, as far as Kevan and the Lannister host, I think there is only supposed to be one Lannister army at that point and it is commanded by Jamie in the Riverlands. Also, Jamie should be the lord of Casterly Rock not Kevan although the show never bothered to clarify what happened there. In the books Kevan is lord because Jamie is still in the Kingsguard.
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Postby Mcartina » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:00 am UTC

I really liked the first seasons. But somewhere during season 4 I started to feel that the book and the show are drifting apart. Now they are so different that I hardly recognize anything. I don't like how they changed the books and who they kill and who they don't :P
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Postby Obby » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:07 am UTC

LaserGuy wrote:Especially since it's not clear how the line of succession would end up at Cersei anyway... probably it would go to some cousin of Tommen's on the Baratheon side.

Officially, it should go to Stannis, who is dead. Which means it would go to any of his male heirs, which never existed. Which means it should go Renly, who is also dead. Which means it should go to any if his male heirs, which also never existed. After that it should go to Robert's eldest surviving uncle (since his father is dead), if the line of succession is being strictly followed.

But wars, especially wars in this universe, have been fought over less. At this point Danaerys has just about as much legal claim to the throne as one can muster.
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Postby Chen » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:51 am UTC

Obby wrote:Officially, it should go to Stannis, who is dead. Which means it would go to any of his male heirs, which never existed. Which means it should go Renly, who is also dead. Which means it should go to any if his male heirs, which also never existed. After that it should go to Robert's eldest surviving uncle (since his father is dead), if the line of succession is being strictly followed.

But wars, especially wars in this universe, have been fought over less. At this point Danaerys has just about as much legal claim to the throne as one can muster.


I don't think there's anyone on the Baratheon line that's still alive to claim the throne. Denaerys probably doesn't have the strongest claim since there is a Targaryen branch in Robert's family tree (at his grand mother I think). Also had they specified succession in Game of Thrones was only the male heirs? It doesn't really matter for the show, but in the books Myrcella is still alive (though presumably going to die soon due to the whole prophecy thing). Also even if Myrcella dies, there's still Shireen also alive in the books who would have a claim stronger than Cersei's (in reality stronger than Myrcella's too with the whole bit of all of Cersei's children being illigitimate).

Really there's no real way Cersei has any right to the throne in terms of succession. It's just that in terms of people who are actually power players in Westeros she's the only one who could even pretend to have a claim to it at the moment since most everyone else is dead or nowhere nearby (from the point of view of the people in King's Landing anyways).

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Postby Obby » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:52 pm UTC

Chen wrote:I don't think there's anyone on the Baratheon line that's still alive to claim the throne. Denaerys probably doesn't have the strongest claim since there is a Targaryen branch in Robert's family tree (at his grand mother I think). Also had they specified succession in Game of Thrones was only the male heirs? It doesn't really matter for the show, but in the books Myrcella is still alive (though presumably going to die soon due to the whole prophecy thing). Also even if Myrcella dies, there's still Shireen also alive in the books who would have a claim stronger than Cersei's (in reality stronger than Myrcella's too with the whole bit of all of Cersei's children being illigitimate).

Really there's no real way Cersei has any right to the throne in terms of succession. It's just that in terms of people who are actually power players in Westeros she's the only one who could even pretend to have a claim to it at the moment since most everyone else is dead or nowhere nearby (from the point of view of the people in King's Landing anyways).

I was talking about the show's succession, but in the books it's explicitly stated that Westeros, except for Dorne, officially follows the male line.

Robert's paternal grandmother was Rhaelle Targaryen. That was the formal justification he was using to claim the throne, which worked since the only remaining Targaryens alive at the time were some of Aerys' offspring. As long as Robert could claim that these offspring were either dead or abdicated the throne, he actually did have a justification to be king since he would be the eldest surviving male offspring of the Targaryens.

That said, we know that Robert never had any legitimate offspring, so you would be correct that there are no longer any Baratheons alive to claim the throne.

Book theories and succession stuff:
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In the books, Aegon is still alive. Since he is Rhaegar's son, he actually has the strongest claim to the throne, which I believe is his intent since he just started invading Westeros at the end of DWD with the Golden Company. There are theories he's a "fake" Targ though, and is actually an offspring of a Blackfyre, in which case Daenerys has the strongest claim since she would be the only surviving Targ.

Because Jon is (presumed to be) a bastard of Rhaegar, his claim is not particularly strong. There was the whole thing with Bittersteel a while back, so it wouldn't necessarily be unheard of for him to take the throne, but if we're talking only about who *should* take the throne, Jon's pretty far down.
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Postby gmalivuk » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:58 pm UTC

Mcartina wrote:I really liked the first seasons. But somewhere during season 4 I started to feel that the book and the show are drifting apart. Now they are so different that I hardly recognize anything. I don't like how they changed the books and who they kill and who they don't :P

I suspect the other reason you don't recognize anything because the show has gone past the books in most plotlines.
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Postby Lazar » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:24 pm UTC

Obby wrote:Book theories and succession stuff:
Spoiler:
In the books, Aegon is still alive. Since he is Rhaegar's son, he actually has the strongest claim to the throne, which I believe is his intent since he just started invading Westeros at the end of DWD with the Golden Company. There are theories he's a "fake" Targ though, and is actually an offspring of a Blackfyre, in which case Daenerys has the strongest claim since she would be the only surviving Targ.

Because Jon is (presumed to be) a bastard of Rhaegar, his claim is not particularly strong. There was the whole thing with Bittersteel a while back, so it wouldn't necessarily be unheard of for him to take the throne, but if we're talking only about who *should* take the throne, Jon's pretty far down.

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I'm continually puzzled by the question of Aegon. He seems to be a crucially important part of the book storyline, yet from the show we can surmise that he's ultimately an irrelevancy. At the beginning of S5 I was subscribing to the Tystaegon theory – that the show was going to combine the characters of Trystane and Aegon, thus giving us some good sensible intrigue down in Dorne – but no such luck.

In light of this, I'm leaning very heavily toward the Mummer's Dragon (aka Faegon) theory, that the book character is, at best, a Blackfyre.
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Obby wrote:Book theories and succession stuff:
Spoiler:
In the books, Aegon is still alive. Since he is Rhaegar's son, he actually has the strongest claim to the throne, which I believe is his intent since he just started invading Westeros at the end of DWD with the Golden Company. There are theories he's a "fake" Targ though, and is actually an offspring of a Blackfyre, in which case Daenerys has the strongest claim since she would be the only surviving Targ.

Because Jon is (presumed to be) a bastard of Rhaegar, his claim is not particularly strong. There was the whole thing with Bittersteel a while back, so it wouldn't necessarily be unheard of for him to take the throne, but if we're talking only about who *should* take the throne, Jon's pretty far down.


Continued spoilers
Spoiler:
I had forgotten about Aegon in the books. True he probably has the strongest claim if he actually is Aegon.

Jon may have a good claim if Aegon ended up marrying Lyanna before she gave birth and died. There were a number of old Targaryens who were polygamists.

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Chen wrote:Continued spoilers
Spoiler:
Jon may have a good claim if Aegon ended up marrying Lyanna before she gave birth and died. There were a number of old Targaryens who were polygamists.

Spoiler:
I think you mean if Rhaegar ended up marrying Lyanna. And Jon having a claim would depend on if Jon is older than Aegon or not. The eldest has the first claim, and I'm not sure if we know who is actually older.
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Postby Lazar » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:03 pm UTC

Obby wrote:
Spoiler:
I think you mean if Rhaegar ended up marrying Lyanna. And Jon having a claim would depend on if Jon is older than Aegon or not. The eldest has the first claim, and I'm not sure if we know who is actually older.

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Aegon is. In Ned's recollection of the ToJ, they mention that King's Landing has already fallen.
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Postby maybeagnostic » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:19 pm UTC

Obby wrote:I was talking about the show's succession, but in the books it's explicitly stated that Westeros, except for Dorne, officially follows the male line.
We know they follow some form of male primogeniture but it isn't clear if in the absence of sons they default to daughters (I think that's the case) or brothers/more distant male heirs. Realistically no one in the show is in a position to make a claim to the throne as a relation to Tommen although there must be some distant Baratheon cousins living somewhere.

Lazar wrote:
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Aegon is. In Ned's recollection of the ToJ, they mention that King's Landing has already fallen.
Spoiler:
You are probably right but we don't know how old Aegon was at the time ("baby" could be anywhere from weeks old to a whole year) and we don't know when Jon was born exactly. It's possible (though unlikely) that she gave birth to Jon before Aegon was born and then died of an unrelated condition when Ned showed up.
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Postby Obby » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:25 pm UTC

maybeagnostic wrote:
Obby wrote:I was talking about the show's succession, but in the books it's explicitly stated that Westeros, except for Dorne, officially follows the male line.
We know they follow some form of male primogeniture but it isn't clear if in the absence of sons they default to daughters (I think that's the case) or brothers/more distant male heirs. Realistically no one in the show is in a position to make a claim to the throne as a relation to Tommen although there must be some distant Baratheon cousins living somewhere.


If we're looking at the total lineage of the crown post-Targaryen invasion, there has not been a crowned female ruler, Cersei is the first. So while I would bet that you may be correct about defaulting to daughters in the absence of sons, in practice it's never been tested since there's always been a male relative until this point. See "fourth son of a fourth son", AKA Aegon the Unlikely, AKA Egg, as a reference.

maybeagnostic wrote:
Spoiler:
You are probably right but we don't know how old Aegon was at the time ("baby" could be anywhere from weeks old to a whole year) and we don't know when Jon was born exactly. It's possible (though unlikely) that she gave birth to Jon before Aegon was born and then died of an unrelated condition when Ned showed up.

Spoiler:
I believe Lazar is correct, actually. The book describes that scene as Ned hearing screams coming from the tower during/after the battle between the Kingsguard and Ned & co. Presumably that is Lyanna giving birth. If King's Landing had already fallen by that point, Aegon would have had to have been born already. If we account for travel time it's likely been several weeks since Aegon's birth at that point (since the Tower of Joy is at the eastern edge of Dorne, quite a distance away from King's Landing).
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Postby maybeagnostic » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:17 pm UTC

Actually one of the biggest civil wars in Westerosi history is between two Targaryen women fighting over the Iron Throne. There's a whole novella about it.
Though Rhaenyra is the king's oldest child and had been named his successor years before, Alicent and her supporters declare Rhaenyra unfit to rule and argue that, as a woman, Rhaenyra should be placed after Alicent's own male children in the line of succession.
This conflict is how the dragons died out. There were something like 15 battle-trained dragons at the start of the war and only a few runts too small to carry a rider after.

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You are almost certainly correct about Aegon and Jon but there are too many questions to be certain. Is that really Aegon? Were Rhaegar and Lyanna married? Did Rhaegar believe Jon to be the Prince That Was Promised and maybe declare him heir? In the end the one with the biggest army will decide.
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Postby Obby » Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:27 am UTC

maybeagnostic wrote:Actually one of the biggest civil wars in Westerosi history is between two Targaryen women fighting over the Iron Throne. There's a whole novella about it.
Though Rhaenyra is the king's oldest child and had been named his successor years before, Alicent and her supporters declare Rhaenyra unfit to rule and argue that, as a woman, Rhaenyra should be placed after Alicent's own male children in the line of succession.
This conflict is how the dragons died out. There were something like 15 battle-trained dragons at the start of the war and only a few runts too small to carry a rider after.

I thought that she was never officially crowned? Her father wanted her to be Queen and named her the heir, but her brother ended up fighting that war over it and killed her (or rather, his dragon killed her).

Admittedly I have not read that novella yet, so maybe there's more details in there.
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Postby maybeagnostic » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:51 am UTC

I read that novella years ago and immediately forgot nearly everything in it so I am very hazy on the details. At the very least its an example of a daughter from the first marriage expected to inherit before a son from the second before her stepmother made a grab for the crown.

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Wikipedia wrote:After Rhaenyra declares herself Queen at the Targaryen ancestral seat of Dragonstone...
So she did crown herself but never sat the Iron Throne. Don't know whether that counts as official but she was at least as much a Queen as Stannis was King.
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Postby Lazar » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:04 pm UTC

According to the ASOIAF wiki, she did sit on the thone for about half a year. (And it was said to have inflicted cuts on her, a bad sign.) From what I can gather, she was later removed from the official king list – but since she was married to another Targaryen, her son Aegon ended up becoming king anyway.
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Postby Adacore » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:33 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
Mcartina wrote:I really liked the first seasons. But somewhere during season 4 I started to feel that the book and the show are drifting apart. Now they are so different that I hardly recognize anything. I don't like how they changed the books and who they kill and who they don't :P

I suspect the other reason you don't recognize anything because the show has gone past the books in most plotlines.

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I actually feel like, having diverged somewhat from the books during the last couple of seasons, the show is now largely back on the tracks, so to speak, at least in terms of who's alive and where they are. Sansa, Jon and Littlefinger are where they're likely to be in the Winds of Winter story after retaking Winterfell, with predictable deaths in the north; the characters that were dead or likely to die in King's Landing are now dead in the show; Arya is back in Westeros assassinating people; Dany is returning to Westeros, with Tyrion as her hand.


There was some commentary in the AV Club experts review that the show hasn't actually moved very far past the end of book five, in plot terms. Speculation is that if the Winds of Winter is finally published before the start of next season, the book-story might move ahead of the show again, briefly.

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Postby Flumble » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:39 pm UTC

How can anyone not vote for Baelish? Next to Varys, Tywin and Tyrion (who are not in the run) he is a great technocrat with an extensive (diplomatic and otherwise) network. He might not be the leader the people want —and he's a creep—, but he is the leader they need.

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Postby raudorn » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:36 pm UTC

raudorn wrote:I fully expect Arya to start dropping bodies left and right.

Quoting myself here, from when I had just finished season one, because... uh... yeah. Although to be entirely accurate, most bodies drop in front of her.
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Although I'm not sure what's up with those random Lannister soldiers in S7E1. Arya got serious beef and a history of killing (kinda) random foot soldiers, but I'm not sure if and if so, what she has in plans for the current batch.

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Postby LaserGuy » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:20 pm UTC

raudorn wrote:
raudorn wrote:I fully expect Arya to start dropping bodies left and right.

Quoting myself here, from when I had just finished season one, because... uh... yeah. Although to be entirely accurate, most bodies drop in front of her.
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Although I'm not sure what's up with those random Lannister soldiers in S7E1. Arya got serious beef and a history of killing (kinda) random foot soldiers, but I'm not sure if and if so, what she has in plans for the current batch.


Re: Arya Season 7 episode 1.
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I think the point of that exchange with the Lannister soldiers is to present Arya with a dilemma, namely that to all appearances, the soldiers she's encountered seem like genuinely good-hearted people who are just doing their job because they were obliged to. I don't know if the rules in the wilderness have ever been spelled out, but it certainly could be argued that by sharing a meal with them and staying in their camp, she's now under guest right. How Arya handles this situation will likely show whether Arya is going to end up as a white hat or a black hat going forward for the rest of the season.


On the episode as a whole:
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One of the better openers, IMHO. I haven't rewatched in awhile, but I remember thinking that a few of the opening episodes have been very slow, really just kind of pushing the pieces around to set the stage for the season arcs. Not that this episode didn't do this as well, but I felt that it did it, on the whole, in a much better way.

This may be in no small part due to the fact that Dany was basically absent in this episode. I honestly don't really about her storyline at all anymore.

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Postby freezeblade » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:49 pm UTC

S7E01
Spoiler:
Really Strong opening I think. I was eating dinner during viewing, and I had to put down my food during the long "Sam gets all the shitty jobs" sequence...I'm not sure it was necessary to keep juxtaposing the serving of gruel with emptying the chamber pots, I almost couldn't get back to dinner.

What is Jorah going to get up to now, I wonder? Teaming up with Sam? (Remember that Sam may not have met Jorah, but he knew Jorah's father at the wall).

I'm guessing that Sam finds arcane info on how to produce Valerian steel (My guess is you forge steel with dragon-glass), or some other way of defeating the white walkers/some weakness.

Current thoughts:
[*]Sam Learns Some arcane information/knowledge that will be helpful in defeating the white walkers
[*]Sam Befriends Jorah, tells him said arcane knowledge
[*]Sam Leaves oldtown, heading to the wall, springing Jorah on the way out
[*]Jorah (either healed at oldtown, or magically healed on the journey [via lord of light?]) returns to Danny (they set up the dragonglass info, showing the mines near Dragonstone, where Danny is).
[*]Sam Returns with info to the wall, where it's put to good use
[*]Danny heads on a rampage north to help the wall, crushing (or burning) all who stand in the way.

Probably wrong, but it's what I'm going with. ATM
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Postby LaserGuy » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:19 pm UTC

One other thing (7e1)
Spoiler:
Lyanna Mormont continues to be awesome. She's probably my favorite minor character in the series right now. I also appreciate Jon and her presenting the obvious truth that in the event of a total apocalypse, leaving half of the population on the sidelines maybe isn't the smartest idea in the world (maybe more than half? I imagine that between this war and the last one, there's probably a pretty big gender imbalance in Westeros right now).

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Postby pseudoidiot » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:21 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:S7E01
Spoiler:
Really Strong opening I think. I was eating dinner during viewing, and I had to put down my food during the long "Sam gets all the shitty jobs" sequence...I'm not sure it was necessary to keep juxtaposing the serving of gruel with emptying the chamber pots, I almost couldn't get back to dinner.

What is Jorah going to get up to now, I wonder? Teaming up with Sam? (Remember that Sam may not have met Jorah, but he knew Jorah's father at the wall).

I'm guessing that Sam finds arcane info on how to produce Valerian steel (My guess is you forge steel with dragon-glass), or some other way of defeating the white walkers/some weakness.

Current thoughts:
[*]Sam Learns Some arcane information/knowledge that will be helpful in defeating the white walkers
[*]Sam Befriends Jorah, tells him said arcane knowledge
[*]Sam Leaves oldtown, heading to the wall, springing Jorah on the way out
[*]Jorah (either healed at oldtown, or magically healed on the journey [via lord of light?]) returns to Danny (they set up the dragonglass info, showing the mines near Dragonstone, where Danny is).
[*]Sam Returns with info to the wall, where it's put to good use
[*]Danny heads on a rampage north to help the wall, crushing (or burning) all who stand in the way.

Probably wrong, but it's what I'm going with. ATM
Spoiler:
It's also possible that dragonglass can help with greyscale in some manner. Shireen is the only named character we know to have survived the disease and she grew up more-or-less surrounded by dragonglass. I believe Stannis stated that he brought in every maester he could and they basically just threw everything at her they could and she ended up surviving. Could be they didn't actually accomplish anything and her surroundings is what did it.

That would create a reason for Jorah to get back to her.

On top of a reason for Jon to form an alliance with her.
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Re: Game of Thrones: The TV Show (novelisation coming soon)

Postby eSOANEM » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:33 pm UTC

pseudoidiot wrote:
freezeblade wrote:S7E01
Spoiler:
Really Strong opening I think. I was eating dinner during viewing, and I had to put down my food during the long "Sam gets all the shitty jobs" sequence...I'm not sure it was necessary to keep juxtaposing the serving of gruel with emptying the chamber pots, I almost couldn't get back to dinner.

What is Jorah going to get up to now, I wonder? Teaming up with Sam? (Remember that Sam may not have met Jorah, but he knew Jorah's father at the wall).

I'm guessing that Sam finds arcane info on how to produce Valerian steel (My guess is you forge steel with dragon-glass), or some other way of defeating the white walkers/some weakness.

Current thoughts:
[*]Sam Learns Some arcane information/knowledge that will be helpful in defeating the white walkers
[*]Sam Befriends Jorah, tells him said arcane knowledge
[*]Sam Leaves oldtown, heading to the wall, springing Jorah on the way out
[*]Jorah (either healed at oldtown, or magically healed on the journey [via lord of light?]) returns to Danny (they set up the dragonglass info, showing the mines near Dragonstone, where Danny is).
[*]Sam Returns with info to the wall, where it's put to good use
[*]Danny heads on a rampage north to help the wall, crushing (or burning) all who stand in the way.

Probably wrong, but it's what I'm going with. ATM
Spoiler:
It's also possible that dragonglass can help with greyscale in some manner. Shireen is the only named character we know to have survived the disease and she grew up more-or-less surrounded by dragonglass. I believe Stannis stated that he brought in every maester he could and they basically just threw everything at her they could and she ended up surviving. Could be they didn't actually accomplish anything and her surroundings is what did it.

That would create a reason for Jorah to get back to her.

On top of a reason for Jon to form an alliance with her.


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I found out via buzzfeed (and verified myself) that the book sam reads says a thing about dragonglass being believed to have healing properties but also talking about some vague and ominous side effects
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