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Aglets of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Tue May 14, 2013 8:58 pm UTC

This is a new show coming out this fall, directed by Joss Whedon. The trailer looks awesome (though spoiler warnings apply for the Avengers)

Spoiler:
COULSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Postby rmsgrey » Wed May 15, 2013 3:05 pm UTC

J August Richards getting the first "spot the Whedon actor" hit for the series

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Postby Carlington » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:03 pm UTC

Angua, I think you and I will be watching this show for very similar reasons.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:22 pm UTC

Did anyone else see the pilot? I really enjoyed it. Coulson was awesome, and Lola was pretty great. I really like the small things that tie in to the rest of the Avengers universe.

Spoiler:
I think Coulson is going to turn out to be a clone. Or he was actually brought back from the dead. There's always the possibility of him being an android now, but surely he'd notice?

I'd also like to find out more about Melinda May's backstory.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Chen » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:39 pm UTC

Angua wrote:Did anyone else see the pilot? I really enjoyed it. Coulson was awesome, and Lola was pretty great. I really like the small things that tie in to the rest of the Avengers universe.

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I think Coulson is going to turn out to be a clone. Or he was actually brought back from the dead. There's always the possibility of him being an android now, but surely he'd notice?

I'd also like to find out more about Melinda May's backstory.


The show has potential I'd say. Clearly Joss Whedon type dialogue. I'm not sure if the cast has good chemistry though. I guess we'll see.

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As for Coulson, I'm going with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Model_Decoy Not sure these are particularly sentient in and of themselves but its the thing Shield tends to use in the comics.

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Postby You, sir, name? » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:30 pm UTC

I'm loving it so far :D
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Alder » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:31 am UTC

Angua wrote:Did anyone else see the pilot? I really enjoyed it. Coulson was awesome, and Lola was pretty great. I really like the small things that tie in to the rest of the Avengers universe.
Spoiler:
I think Coulson is going to turn out to be a clone. Or he was actually brought back from the dead. There's always the possibility of him being an android now, but surely he'd notice?
I'd also like to find out more about Melinda May's backstory.
I loved it. It had an old-school feel about it I really enjoyed, plus I just really, really like Coulson...
Spoiler:
I actually suggested some kind of version of the second idea to my friend last night after we watched it! So glad someone else thinks it's not a daft idea. :D

I'd actually be kind of disappointed if he was an android/Live Model Decoy - I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'd be kind of 'meh' about it. I guess it just seems a bit obvious to me. Also, I really, really like Coulson...and if he's a copy of some kind, well, that's nice for the copy, but Coulson would still be dead, which is just so...predictable, given Joss Whedon. Actually having him back, THAT'D be original, in context.

Something's definitely up though, the doctor guy saying something like "...Tahiti? Wow, he really doesn't know, does he...?" made it sound like these were some kind of fake memories. And he *dodged an exploding van door*.

Anyway, I'm rooting for 'brought him back with some kind of super serum but he doesn't know he was actually dead for real'. Or nanites! Nanites are always good value.:P
Chen wrote:The show has potential I'd say. Clearly Joss Whedon type dialogue. I'm not sure if the cast has good chemistry though. I guess we'll see.
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As for Coulson, I'm going with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Model_Decoy Not sure these are particularly sentient in and of themselves but its the thing Shield tends to use in the comics.

My only real issue with that is
Spoiler:
when you read that article, it looks like the LMD is used *while the other person is still alive*, for them to 'see' and speak through, while they're somewhere safe, rather than duplicating them when they're dead. So - Coulson sending one in to confront Loki while he was safe elsewhere on the carrier would've been the way they're usually used. (Except he clearly didn't do that from the way he was talking about being dead for however many seconds). But I don't know enough about how they're used elsewhere in the comics, and of course they could always change how they're used!
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Zohar » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:05 pm UTC

I liked the pilot well enough. It wasn't stellar I guess but it was good, and I hope it gets better. I was wondering how they'd deal with not having Samuel L. Jackson, but that seems to work perfectly.

I was really proud of myself for identifying Bear McCreary as the composer mid-episode. He did the soundtrack for Battlestar Galactica, and I think it shows. It's definitely great, I love the music from that series, and it was mostly epic here too.

Edit: Spoilering...
Spoiler:
Didn't you find Coulton to be super-creepy during the "interrogation" scene? Using truth serum on someone without their consent is pretty fucked up, not to mention it can be detrimental to brawn-guy's moral. And the way Hill and Coulton were talking at the start about brawn-guy's grades (as well as Thor) was really bad too. This isn't Buffy, they're an actual government agency. I understand they want the show to be campy, but completely unprofessional conduct and humiliating coworkers doesn't seem the way to go, nor does it seem very SHIELD worthy.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Carlington » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:29 pm UTC

There's a theory that I saw a little while ago, and have adopted:
Spoiler:
In the Captain America film, set in the 30's/40's, there's a little boy playing with a Captain America-style shield, whose name is Phil. It wouldn't make sense for him to be as young as he is when we see him as an adult, if it were Coulson - unless he also volunteered for the super-soldier serum, trying to emulate his hero. The healing factor it provided is what saved his life.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:33 pm UTC

Carlington wrote:There's a theory that I saw a little while ago, and have adopted:
Spoiler:
In the Captain America film, set in the 30's/40's, there's a little boy playing with a Captain America-style shield, whose name is Phil. It wouldn't make sense for him to be as young as he is when we see him as an adult, if it were Coulson - unless he also volunteered for the super-soldier serum, trying to emulate his hero. The healing factor it provided is what saved his life.

Spoiler:
My main problem with the superserum idea is that surely Coulson would know about it? I'm pretty sure that this whole 'Tahiti is a magical place thing' is a false memory of some description.

Maybe Coulson was named after his dad. We certainly can come to love things if our parents loved them enough.

On this note, I always wondered how Tony Stark can be Howard Stark's son. Grandson would make more sense with the amount of time?
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Nork » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:41 pm UTC

I'm not sure how I feel about the show. On one hand, it was Joss Whedon and Marvel, but on the other hand, it felt like it was built by a committee of network executives who were trying to copy NCIS.

You've got Coulson because they needed a Gibbs. I don't even know the character's name, but they've got generic-other-guy as DiNozzo. Whedon fans tend to like Asian culture, so they cast budget Lucy Liu as Ziva. It's sci-fi, so when they made their Abby/McGee combo, they brought in budget Simon Pegg to be head of engineering. Finally, they replaced Ducky with Book to fill the "Doctor named after an item from my toddler's room" role.

I'm faced with the realization that I'm a Whedon fanboy because I'll be giving it a week or two, anyway. If it had been anyone but him, I'd have given up on the show after the first episode.

That said, aside from the standard Coulson theories (I'm guessing the same things as everybody else right now). I think there's one Whedon-specific note worth mentioning:
Spoiler:
If Coulson died and was resurrected (instead of the Clone/LMD theories), then the Tahiti comment would imply that Coulson had been in heaven until he was brought back. The "he can never know" fits with this as well - Whedon already dealt with characters who were resentful after being forcibly retrieved from a happy afterlife in the Buffy universe. "Don't tell Coulson we yanked him out of heaven" seems like a good idea.

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Nork » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:52 pm UTC

Angua wrote:
Spoiler:
My main problem with the superserum idea is that surely Coulson would know about it? I'm pretty sure that this whole 'Tahiti is a magical place thing' is a false memory of some description.

Maybe Coulson was named after his dad. We certainly can come to love things if our parents loved them enough.

On this note, I always wondered how Tony Stark can be Howard Stark's son. Grandson would make more sense with the amount of time?


Side note and/or dumb fact:
Spoiler:
John Tyler was president from 1841-1845 and has living grandchildren. It's possible (if unlikely) for Tony Stark to be Howard Stark's son even with those times/dates.

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Postby aleflamedyud » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:04 am UTC

I thought it was really, really cliched but fairly well-executed for what it is. I'd actually quite like to see, just for once, a show in which not all experiments in Phlebotinum or superpowers automatically turn you into a psycho maniac.

I'd also really like to see Joss lay the fuck off the sassy women and one-liners.
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Postby charliepanayi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:56 pm UTC

aleflamedyud wrote:I'd also really like to see Joss lay the fuck off the sassy women and one-liners.


If he stopped the latter, he wouldn't be Joss Whedon.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby LaserGuy » Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:10 pm UTC

charliepanayi wrote:
aleflamedyud wrote:I'd also really like to see Joss lay the fuck off the sassy women and one-liners.


If he stopped the latter, he wouldn't be Joss Whedon.


I think if he stopped the former, he wouldn't be Joss Whedon either.

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Postby roband » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:58 pm UTC

Really liked it (it just started in the UK), it was a little cheesy but overall good

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Postby Jesse » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:03 am UTC

Carlington wrote:There's a theory that I saw a little while ago, and have adopted:
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In the Captain America film, set in the 30's/40's, there's a little boy playing with a Captain America-style shield, whose name is Phil. It wouldn't make sense for him to be as young as he is when we see him as an adult, if it were Coulson - unless he also volunteered for the super-soldier serum, trying to emulate his hero. The healing factor it provided is what saved his life.


Spoiler:
Sorry to ruin it a little bit, but that child is never referred to as 'Phil' in the movie. That's a false subtitle that someone put on the gif and spread around.

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Postby roband » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:56 am UTC

^^ correct

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Postby Carlington » Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:21 pm UTC

Oh, really? Hum. Gullible me, I guess. It's still a nice headcanon, though, even if it's lost a little credibility. There are some other nice theories I've seen here and there - but I am almost certain that none of them will come close to what Marvel and Joss pull out of their hats anyway.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:22 pm UTC

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Solid first episode!

Someone pointed out a cool tidbit; the T&A girl we see in the very beginning in the apartment isn't a screaming damsel in distress at the sight of a fight. She's utterly impassive, not a victim.
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Postby ArgonV » Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:07 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:Someone pointed out a cool tidbit; the T&A girl we see in the very beginning in the apartment isn't a screaming damsel in distress at the sight of a fight. She's utterly impassive, not a victim.

I did think that was a bit random. She was there, but didn't impact the story one bit...

Spoiler:
So I'm guessing the doctor and her associates will be the big bad (for this season)?

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Diadem » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:51 pm UTC

I was very excited to see Shepherd Book. I hope he'll be a recurring character.

Also: The pilot was pretty good. I wasn't completely blown away, but I did get the impression that this is a show that could get better over time. A lot of time was spent introducing characters, which can make a first episode feel a bit awkward but is generally a good thing.
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Postby ConMan » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:08 pm UTC

I rather hope the random woman will turn out to be working for another one of the groups trying to get their hands on the various super-tech stuff, and seeing that SHIELD was there decided to leave rather than make a scene. And as such, I expect her to show up in the background at some later point. It's all pure speculation, though.

And I liked the episode, and really look forward to seeing where it goes. It is very Joss in so many ways, and I've been missing that since Dollhouse.
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Postby eSOANEM » Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:13 pm UTC

Alder wrote:
Angua wrote:D
Chen wrote:The show has potential I'd say. Clearly Joss Whedon type dialogue. I'm not sure if the cast has good chemistry though. I guess we'll see.
Spoiler:
As for Coulson, I'm going with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Model_Decoy Not sure these are particularly sentient in and of themselves but its the thing Shield tends to use in the comics.

My only real issue with that is
Spoiler:
when you read that article, it looks like the LMD is used *while the other person is still alive*, for them to 'see' and speak through, while they're somewhere safe, rather than duplicating them when they're dead. So - Coulson sending one in to confront Loki while he was safe elsewhere on the carrier would've been the way they're usually used. (Except he clearly didn't do that from the way he was talking about being dead for however many seconds). But I don't know enough about how they're used elsewhere in the comics, and of course they could always change how they're used!


Spoiler:
I don't know how this fits in context, but could Coulson be piloting it in a coma but think that he had recovered?
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Postby ArgonV » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:09 pm UTC

I've got one small problem with the show, why is May (the pilot) the only female wearing heals? Wouldn't combat boots be much more functional for a pilot/combat specialist? Especially in the jungle?

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Postby Ryom » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:31 am UTC

Sammy's cameo was nice, but despite the action this episode seemed to drag. We'll see if Joss can put out the kind of work he has in the past.

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:45 am UTC

ArgonV wrote:I've got one small problem with the show, why is May (the pilot) the only female wearing heals? Wouldn't combat boots be much more functional for a pilot/combat specialist? Especially in the jungle?


Certainly. Combat boots aren't the only option, but heels in the jungle are particularly impractical.

This episode was alright, but not nearly as snappy as the pilot. I'm still waiting on more char development. May, for instance, is still little more than a cardboard cutout. She kicks ass, but doesn't want to. That got conveyed in like...the first five minutes of the pilot. Why are we still just harping on that?

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Postby Zohar » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:14 pm UTC

Wow, this episode was such a disappointment. And not because the first raised the bar so high - it was just so full of cliches and inane sayings. Really really bad. I hope now that they got over the "We're a team!" hurdle, they'll do some marginally more interesting things later on.
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Postby Jesse » Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:23 am UTC

I don't know about you guys, but it always feels like it takes 3-5 episodes for a Joss show to really get going. With that in mind I'm still giving this a chance to really pick up, and the hook at the end was fun.

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Postby Zohar » Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:53 am UTC

It was certainly true for Buffy and Dollhouse, but I'd expect him to be experienced enough to know how to develop a show by now... In any case, I'm not quitting it just yet - any great show would still have lousy episodes from time to time. It's just that the pilot was decent, and then the second episode was really groan-worthy.

Look. I'm slogging through Korra, I can certainly give this show the benefit of the doubt. :)
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Postby headprogrammingczar » Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:43 am UTC

He considers the first 6-ish episodes of a show to be the "extended pilot", so no dice on that.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby ArgonV » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:02 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Extremely rare and valuable element. Yeah, let's just leave it lying in the road

I still like the show though

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Ryom » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:13 pm UTC

I checked the credits, this episode was neither written nor directed by Joss Whedon, so I don't know how much he's actually going to influence the show :/

Written by: Jed Whedon & Marissa Tancharoen
Directed by: Milan Cheylov

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby charliepanayi » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:57 pm UTC

Ryom wrote:I checked the credits, this episode was neither written nor directed by Joss Whedon, so I don't know how much he's actually going to influence the show :/

Written by: Jed Whedon & Marissa Tancharoen
Directed by: Milan Cheylov


I'm not sure how much influence he'll have in the show either, but you do know he only wrote/directed a handful of Buffy/Angel episodes.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby rmsgrey » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:39 pm UTC

At this point, I get the impression that Joss Whedon is basically running the Marvel Cinematic Universe - there are reports that he got called in to fix some issues with Thor 2, and between Avengers 2 and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., he's got both the next milestone movie that the other movies are working towards and deep influence over the context in the form of the TV show - everything that happens on the show is part of the setting and backstory for the movies - sure, the show will be (mostly) steering clear of the movie stars, but any time one of the movies wants to include SHIELD, they're on Joss' turf, and bound by what the series establishes...

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Ryom » Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:19 pm UTC

Well, so far the characters feel shallow and one-note to me. I'm hoping for some more depth to them... and honestly I'm really not liking the brooding action guy.

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Carlington » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:56 am UTC

rmsgrey wrote:At this point, I get the impression that Joss Whedon is basically running the Marvel Cinematic Universe - there are reports that he got called in to fix some issues with Thor 2, and between Avengers 2 and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., he's got both the next milestone movie that the other movies are working towards and deep influence over the context in the form of the TV show - everything that happens on the show is part of the setting and backstory for the movies - sure, the show will be (mostly) steering clear of the movie stars, but any time one of the movies wants to include SHIELD, they're on Joss' turf, and bound by what the series establishes...

I'm pretty sure Joss still reports to Kevin Feige further up the chain, and I gather that they're working pretty closely on a lot of things in terms of creative direction, so I'm not sure how much weight Joss' say would carry if he tried to make any HUGE changes.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Angua » Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:22 am UTC

I didn't really feel very wowed by the last episode.

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I'm definitely feeling the Coulson is a clone though - especially with the whole 'muscle memory' not being there, and May saying 'You died'.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby LaserGuy » Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:25 pm UTC

Feels a lot like how season 1 of Buffy started, TBH. I'm hoping that it will get better once the main plot starts kicking in. So far... I give it a meh.

One thing about the last episode that bothered me (it was minor, but stupid):

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Are they seriously expecting us to believe that an agency with a cloaking ship and access to alien technology doesn't have a computerized search on their call records? And that supposedly one of the world's greatest hackers is just going to sift through a gigantic binder of these records by hand in hopes of finding something by chance, instead of, I dunno, writing such a program if it doesn't exist? The way that Skye just accepts this sort of stupid make-work project without protest really didn't fit right with her attributes or personality to me.

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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Postby Nath » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:13 pm UTC

To be fair,
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Computerized search doesn't work very well when you don't know exactly what you're looking for. They were looking for hidden messages, rather than "hey, that scientist you wanted to kidnap is going west on I-10 at 3:30pm tomorrow". There's ongoing work on search programs that can read between the lines to infer stuff that isn't explicitly stated in text, but it's far from human-level. Also, they probably just wanted to give her a chore.


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