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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby EmptySet » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:02 am UTC

Drumheller769 wrote:So I started a Khajiit Thief/Archer/Warrior but I am finding that 2 of those 3 aren't really useful. Maybe yall can help me.

First is, I'm guessing its because I am still low level, but I can't sneak around anything.


Get the Muffle spell, you can buy it from the Jarl's wizard in Whiterun. Until you level up sneak and put some perks on it it's virtually impossible to move and stay hidden without Muffle.


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eSOANEM wrote:I don't think there's anything stopping you from being a vampire and getting turned into a werewolf though (because becoming a werewolf isn't done using a disease).
Transforming (the first time) cures all diseases on you, including vampirism.


But (I don't know much about vampirism in skyrim so this is based on my knowledge of what it was like in oblivion), isn't it only treated as a disease for the first X days before you become a proper vampire? After that isn't it just a semi-permanent set of buffs and powers? If not, then doesn't that mean that you can be cured of vampirism simply by praying at one of the divines' shrines?


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Weeks wrote:Why are glass weapons so awesome and why didn't I become a spellblade like I intended?!


Because nothing has a right to look that beautiful yet deadly, and because illusion, alteration, and conjuration are only viable for a pure mage?


Alteration and conjuration? Really? Those seem viable for non-pure mages. I mean, they're both schools where you can cast your biggest spell before combat, then just pull out your weapon and fight like normal, except with +60 armour or a fire atronach backing you up. Also, paralysis has good synergy with being able to chop people to bits while they're down. The Muffle spell in Illusion is useful if you like to sneak around, and Invisibility might be useful late game, but other than that I don't think Illusion is really viable even (especially?) if you are a pure mage. Or not worth spending perks on, anyway. You can cast Muffle just fine with no investment.

Destruction is the school that seems particularly bad for impure mages, if you ask me. If you can already do high damage with weapons I can't really see the point in using Destruction. Having a weapon in one hand and a fireball in the other just doesn't work as well as weapon and shield, or a two-handed weapon, or doublecast firebolt with Impact. Also, I think you really need to make an investment in Destruction for it to work well - that means spending enough perks for Dual Cast, Impact, and +50% fire or shock damage, plus enough magicka or +Destruction gear to be able to not run out of magicka after one fireball. It seems like you'd do better just putting all that into weapon and armour skill instead, or something like sneak or the crafting skills, which work with your weapons instead of against them. Although if want a ranged attack and don't want to use a bow it might be somewhat useful, I guess?

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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Weeks » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:12 am UTC

Archery is just great, especially with Steady Hand. Although now I have a bunch of Iron Arrows I can't sell because they aren't worth a septim.
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Postby GenericPseudonym » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:59 am UTC

Weeks wrote:Archery is just great, especially with Steady Hand. Although now I have a bunch of Iron Arrows I can't sell because they aren't worth a septim.

Drop all the arrows one at a time, then Fus Ro Dah the pile and watch your processor melt.

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Postby Obby » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:13 am UTC

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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby WarDaft » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:46 am UTC

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Weeks wrote:Archery is just great, especially with Steady Hand. Although now I have a bunch of Iron Arrows I can't sell because they aren't worth a septim.

Drop all the arrows one at a time, then Fus Ro Dah the pile and watch your processor melt.

Just did it with 430 arrows. Not nearly as exciting as I had hoped =/

I did however discover that arrows float, even in great numbers.
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Weeks » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:42 am UTC

Obby wrote:Found this in a random fort out in the wilderness with a single female mage being the only inhabitant.
There's a sexist joke in there somewhere.
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Levi » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:20 pm UTC

I'd bet anything it's part of a quest.

So far, my biggest beef is that I have found pretty much nothing that isn't related to a quest. Random cave/fort/etc.? Clear it. Three hours later I find an NPC who wants me to fetch something. "You mean this?" What's really annoying though is that there are some caves/forts/etc. that have objectives for multiple quests inside. That's just laziness on Bethesda's part.

Right now I have three or four quest items in my inventory.

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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Kain » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:39 pm UTC

Is there any way to get rid of the stones of whatshername without scouring all of skyrim to find the remaining ones? I mean, they have a 0.5 weight per stone, and I have accidentally picked up six of them, but don't intend to finish the thief guild quests (which I only started because I thought I would be able to sell off the first ones I had found).

It seems kind of silly that there would be a quest item that eventually weights more than a light armor piece that you can't remove...
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Postby Goldstein » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:40 pm UTC

Quest items are weird too. Giant's Toe became a quest item on my alchemist, and I couldn't be arsed with the quest it came from, so for the rest of the game I was unable to use any of the ten Giant's Toes I'd accumulated for alchemy.
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Vaniver » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:48 pm UTC

Goldstein wrote:Quest items are weird too. Giant's Toe became a quest item on my alchemist, and I couldn't be arsed with the quest it came from, so for the rest of the game I was unable to use any of the ten Giant's Toes I'd accumulated for alchemy.
Odd. I've had no problem removing fetch quest items from my inventory (in the sense of "Ingun Blackbriar wants 20 nightshade!") or using them for alchemy.
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Microscopic cog » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:48 pm UTC

Just started downloading Skyrim. Never played an Elder Scrolls game before. Any tips for a complete newbie? I've been reading the thread for last two weeks, but most of it is very specific stuff. ( very useful though )
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Kain » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:53 pm UTC

Microscopic cog wrote:Just started downloading Skyrim. Never played an Elder Scrolls game before. Any tips for a complete newbie? I've been reading the thread for last two weeks, but most of it is very specific stuff. ( very useful though )


It was my first runthrough of an elder scroll game as well. Umm, besides the whole don't level up skills that wont benefit you, just mess around and have fun. Once you have legendary dragon/deadra armor, you wont have much trouble at all...
Oh, and you can go almost the whole game without using destruction, so I wouldnt put any perks in there...
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Decker » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:42 pm UTC

For skyrim especially, and especially near the beginning of the game, learn to block, learn to dodge, and learn how to strategically stagger opponents. You can't just sit there and take a beating. Two or three good hits with a two handed weapon, and you're done for.

EDIT: Also, take a good look at your skill trees and figure out which ones you want to max out. There's a soft cap of 50 levels, which means fifty perks. (Hard cap is 70 I think). There's over 400 perks overall.
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Chen » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:56 pm UTC

Decker wrote:For skyrim especially, and especially near the beginning of the game, learn to block, learn to dodge, and learn how to strategically stagger opponents. You can't just sit there and take a beating. Two or three good hits with a two handed weapon, and you're done for.

EDIT: Also, take a good look at your skill trees and figure out which ones you want to max out. There's a soft cap of 50 levels, which means fifty perks. (Hard cap is 70 I think). There's over 400 perks overall.
Once you put a point in something, you can't take it back. A few perks in the wrong place won't be horrible though.


Hard cap is 81 (achieved when all skills are at 100) and there are 251 perks in the game.

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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:33 pm UTC

I find that trying to move, position myself and dodge is difficult with the keyboard and mouse, but I dont have a controller to use :(
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby eSOANEM » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:57 pm UTC

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Weeks wrote:Why are glass weapons so awesome and why didn't I become a spellblade like I intended?!


Because nothing has a right to look that beautiful yet deadly, and because illusion, alteration, and conjuration are only viable for a pure mage?


I'm actually combining magic with using a sword. The sword doesn't come into play that much...until I'm almost out of magicka. Then it's time to cast Stoneflesh and wade hacking my Absorb Magicka sword while the enemies are distracted by my Atronarch/ follower.

You don't do that much damage but it allows you to get back into spell slinging that much faster. It's probably sub-optimal but it is fun!


I'm running a spellsword as well, but I'm more focussed on the traditional combat side so I run with heavy armour, a sword in my right and either healing or a destruction spell in my left and then alternate hitting the enemy and running away to heal (with the respite perk and sufficiently smithed armour, this seems to be pretty effective).

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Okita wrote:You don't do that much damage but it allows you to get back into spell slinging that much faster. It's probably sub-optimal but it is fun!
You know what's sub-optimal? Archery+magic. But it's fun.

(I have needed to stab people with my bow. :L )


You know what's sub-optimal? Stealth mage. Sure, you can now cast spells without getting detected, but you need to dump a load of perks and levels into illusion and even then you don't get any stealth damage mutliplier.

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eSOANEM wrote:I don't think there's anything stopping you from being a vampire and getting turned into a werewolf though (because becoming a werewolf isn't done using a disease).
Transforming (the first time) cures all diseases on you, including vampirism.


But (I don't know much about vampirism in skyrim so this is based on my knowledge of what it was like in oblivion), isn't it only treated as a disease for the first X days before you become a proper vampire? After that isn't it just a semi-permanent set of buffs and powers? If not, then doesn't that mean that you can be cured of vampirism simply by praying at one of the divines' shrines?


Yes, you can be cured before becoming a vampire by using one of the Divines' altars. Afterwards, it's not so easy, but I think it's still possible to be cured via a quest, which was the case in the last two games.


I'd assumed that was the case. I'm just puzzled as to how your first werewolf transformation would cure you of vampirism when it's no longer treated as a disease (as evidenced by no longer being cured by praying at the shrines) without coding it in specifically which seems A. ugly and B. pointless, why shouldn't you be able to be a werewolf and a vampire (and screw the twilight fanboy/girls whose heads would asplode)?
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Adam H » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:26 pm UTC

eSOANEM wrote:You know what's sub-optimal? Stealth mage. Sure, you can now cast spells without getting detected, but you need to dump a load of perks and levels into illusion and even then you don't get any stealth damage mutliplier.
My lizard has put all his perks into illusion and stealth, then one-handed when necessary. And man, am I sweet. Well, actually, I suck against mobs and dragons, but I don't care - it's fun. Calm + sneak attack is assassinate on easy mode. Magelight is also fun.

Conjuration also would work well with a stealth character, I assume.

I guess you are saying that sneak-destruction isn't good, and you are probably right in that archery and daggers would be better. But you can still be plenty good by placing runes and destructing from afar then running/sneaking away until your magicka replenishes.
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby EdgarJPublius » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:40 pm UTC

Man, worst random dragon ever.

I was doing the Thieves Guild quest where you have to sneak onto the island full of mercenaries, clean out the safe and burn some bee-hives. And right after I cleaned out the safe and was sneaking towards the bee-hives, A dragon attacks. If I stopped to fight the dragon, the Mercenaries attacked me, but staying hidden from the dragon and the mercenaries was pretty tough.

After a couple of tries I just had to swim off the island to shore and fight the dragon from there, then come back to finish the quest, but the first time I tried it, the dragon stirred up a bandit camp and as soon as the dragon was dead, the bandit leader turned on me and killed me. I got it on the next attempt though.
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Postby Microscopic cog » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:08 pm UTC

Thanks guys! Made my way through the tutorial, went pretty smoothly and the game is gorgeous.

The only thing I'm struggling with so far are the controls, especially moving the camera with my mouse not a big fan of that, but it's going better and better. :)

I can block, but haven't figured out how to dodge, or do you mean just moving away from attacks manually? Going to take a good look at my skills trees / perks-thingies before investing any. I'm thinking of making a rogue character, but I'll probably make 3-4 characters before I'll stick with one of'em.

I find that trying to move, position myself and dodge is difficult with the keyboard and mouse, but I dont have a controller to use


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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby PeteP » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:13 pm UTC

Microscopic cog wrote:Just started downloading Skyrim. Never played an Elder Scrolls game before. Any tips for a complete newbie? I've been reading the thread for last two weeks, but most of it is very specific stuff. ( very useful though )

If you plan to level all three crafting skills don't put to many points in the + armor parts of the heavy or light armor tree. It seems there is a cap of 80% damage reduction which you will reach with 567 armor. With 101(76+25er enchantment) in my light armor skill, 2 point in the first perk, and 1 in the second I'm more than 100 points over that line with my dragonscale armor.
Or you could put perks in there so that you can wear weaker armor without losing any protection.
Weeks wrote:Archery is just great, especially with Steady Hand. Although now I have a bunch of Iron Arrows I can't sell because they aren't worth a septim.

Selling arrows? I collect every arrow I find, I had it happen two times in the game that I ran out of arrows and had to summon a bow. I had long periods of arrow less opponents and I shot a ridiculous number of arrows at dragons when they are flying around. But maybe you are less wasteful with your arrows (or maybe you remember to buy them from vendors.) Edit: Btw with 86 speech and 1 point in the first perk they are worth 1 septim and you can sell them, but at that you probably won't care about amounts with less than 4 digits.
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby eSOANEM » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:15 pm UTC

Adam H wrote:I guess you are saying that sneak-destruction isn't good, and you are probably right in that archery and daggers would be better. But you can still be plenty good by placing runes and destructing from afar then running/sneaking away until your magicka replenishes.


Yeah, I'm trying to kill people using magic to do as much as the damage as possible. At low levels, it certainly isn't working very well and I keep having to resort to using melée weapons. Hopefully once I get silent casting this should be less of a problem.
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Postby An Enraged Platypus » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:47 pm UTC

Microscopic cog wrote:Thanks guys! Made my way through the tutorial, went pretty smoothly and the game is gorgeous.

The only thing I'm struggling with so far are the controls, especially moving the camera with my mouse not a big fan of that, but it's going better and better. :)

I can block, but haven't figured out how to dodge, or do you mean just moving away from attacks manually? Going to take a good look at my skills trees / perks-thingies before investing any. I'm thinking of making a rogue character, but I'll probably make 3-4 characters before I'll stick with one of'em.

I find that trying to move, position myself and dodge is difficult with the keyboard and mouse, but I dont have a controller to use


Yeah, this.


Dodging is done by manually moving away from attacks, yeah. It is generally a lot easier (forgive me if this is default) if you bind A and D to strafe left/right instead of turn, that way you sidestep with one button press. This will make it harder on you in the short run if you don'tl ike steering the camera by the mouse, but in the long run your reaction speed will increase.
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Postby Dason » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:50 pm UTC

An Enraged Platypus wrote:Dodging is done by manually moving away from attacks, yeah. It is generally a lot easier (forgive me if this is default) if you bind A and D to strafe left/right instead of turn, that way you sidestep with one button press. This will make it harder on you in the short run if you don'tl ike steering the camera by the mouse, but in the long run your reaction speed will increase.

I haven't played skyrim but ... is it really not set up that way by default? I would have thought the default for pretty much all games nowadays was A/D is strafe. I can't imagine going back to having those represent turning. Would strafe be done on the mouse then?
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Postby Dark567 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:51 pm UTC

Dason wrote:I haven't played skyrim but ... is it really not set up that way by default? I would have thought the default for pretty much all games nowadays was A/D is strafe. I can't imagine going back to having those represent turning. Would strafe be done on the mouse then?
I am fairly certain it is that way by default. I haven't touched the bindings and A/D are strafe for me.
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Postby Decker » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:53 pm UTC

That's how it was set up for me. A and D to strafe, Mouse to look around, including turning.
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Postby Drumheller769 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:57 pm UTC

It is default, but I find that moving in this type of game with the mouse keyboard is different than say in TF2, or using a console controller like say in Halo. I can move/ do whatever fine in either of those games, but in Skyrim I just have trouble moving well.
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Postby Chen » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:16 pm UTC

eSOANEM wrote:Yeah, I'm trying to kill people using magic to do as much as the damage as possible. At low levels, it certainly isn't working very well and I keep having to resort to using melée weapons. Hopefully once I get silent casting this should be less of a problem.


I've found dual casting is somewhat necessary at lower levels to kill things. Dual casting the novice level spells (with the perk to reduce novice costs) is fairly effective at killing most things though you do take some damage. A good open salvo of the apprentice level spells at a bandit leader or whatnot works too before flamethrowering them to death. Once you get impact things are easy though since it staggers practically anything. I've also found the lightning spells are far superior to most of the others solely because there's almost no travel time compared to say firebolt or the icicle one. I suspect I should get some frost spells too since they work well for slowing things down.

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Postby Woopate » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:26 pm UTC

I went with a conjurer archer sneaker khajiit. Because bound bow is like a freakin' rpg(plus it binds souls and turns undead with the apropriate perks). I 1 hit everything sneaking, and some things move to 2-hit when I'm caught. I'm also keeping my enchantment up so I can migrate to a double-enchanted bow when I get the Perk.

Anybody else notice the stupid amount Of dragon attacks at the college? Or the duplicating Empty dragon skeletons there?

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Postby PeteP » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:33 pm UTC

I only had two attacks at the college maybe three. But one of the dragon skeletons there magically regrew it's skin.

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Postby Xeio » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:35 pm UTC

Haven't seen a single dragon at the college, and I visit somewhat frequently. :P

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Postby Weeks » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:55 pm UTC

I got two Blood Dragons there. Both gave me their souls.

Also the first one grabbed me in its mouth and shook me up a little. I was expecting it to eat me, but apparently Bretons aren't tasty.
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Levi » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:37 pm UTC

I'm thinking about starting a new character to do the main quest. I don't really want to have to redo everything up to the first encounter with the graybeards, but I've leveled my enchanting to the point where my mage is a death-machine. I'm currently level 24. Would it still be feasible to switch to sword+shield fighting? I'm sure I probably wouldn't be able to get all the armor, smithing, and blocking perks but my enchanting will hopefully make up for that.

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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby PeteP » Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:36 pm UTC

24 hmm. In one handed you will probably take 5 points armsmen, fighting stance, 3 point to improve mace sword or axe, you don't need dual flurry if you take a shield, savage strike 1, critical charge 1, paralyzing strike 1. So 12 points. The heavy armor side of smithing including arcane makes 7 perks. And the blocking tree well if you take everything that is 13 perks. So 32 perks that would make level 56. Assuming you don't want to take perks in sneaking etc. If you wear light armor you will probably want to invest at least 3 points to get unhindered maybe 5 to also get wind walker and deft movement.
It's possible but it will take quite some time till you reach your full potential. Are all you points in destruction and enchanting?
If it's feasible well I'm playing on max difficulty and have level 4x and I can manage to fight most things with two one hand weapons without having any perks for that (beside sneaking) and with a very low one handed skill. But I think I couldn't manage the harder enemies without drinking fortify one handed potions and I have maxed alchemy smithing and enchanting which might warp the game a bit.

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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby GenericPseudonym » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:33 am UTC

So apparently a philter of +20% enchanting will increase a fortify destruction enchantment from -19% cost to -20% cost. I feel like I've wasted a potion, now.

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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Vaniver » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:28 am UTC

GenericPseudonym wrote:So apparently a philter of +20% enchanting will increase a fortify destruction enchantment from -19% cost to -20% cost. I feel like I've wasted a potion, now.
Those potions are cheap; don't feel bad about it. (I'm pretty sure the base for +skill stuff is 8%, and so 20% of 8% is 1.6%.)
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby CorruptUser » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:57 am UTC

It took me a while to realize that the nirnroots respawn in this game, so feel free to use them for potions.

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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Weeks » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:45 am UTC

What's so special about nirnroots anyway?
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Chaoszerom » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:04 am UTC

Back in Oblivion they were an annoying quest item, and there was a finite amount of them. Would not recommend.

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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Sytri » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:25 am UTC

Quick question: If I use summoned swords, does using them increase my one-handed weapons skill as well as conjuaration?

Also:

Spoiler:
Has anyone found an old orc that asks you for a good death? I decided to go for it and got slaughtered pretty quickly, my own fault. And I hadn't saved in ages and when I went back they weren't there. Anyone found them? What do they drop?
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Re: The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim : Dual Wield Bacon

Postby Chaoszerom » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:52 am UTC

I killed him, nothing interesting. Was a bit of a fight, but nothing too bad. I think his gear was 1-2 levels below mine, IIRC.

Anyone noticed that guards don't aggro you for casting magic on or shouting at them? Same with the Mage's College peoples. Yet civilians get you pwnd if you do, which I found odd.

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