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Postby Hex » Fri May 04, 2007 8:39 pm UTC

Okay, so I've been honestly wondering ..

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Are spammers retarded?

How the fuck can they even imagine anyone looking at their image advertising some online pharmacy if they just send randomly generated gibberish? At least back in the nineties spammers could at the very least write semi-convincing, credible looking junk mail.

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Postby Belial » Fri May 04, 2007 8:41 pm UTC

They use word-salad from novels and webpages and such to escape spam filters by masquerading as a message with actual content.
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Postby Hex » Fri May 04, 2007 8:50 pm UTC

How this ended up in news, I will never know. :?

Yes obviously, but why? Is there any point to it?
How do they intend to profit from it if nobody cares enough to look at gibberish? The only people who look at it for more than five seconds can't read english.

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Postby The LuigiManiac » Fri May 04, 2007 8:52 pm UTC

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Postby Belial » Fri May 04, 2007 8:52 pm UTC

I honestly have no idea. I've never really understood why there's a business for spam. No one actually buys anything from it, and most people don't even follow the links.
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Postby cmacis » Fri May 04, 2007 9:00 pm UTC

Actually, about 1/4 people buy stuff from spam emails. Also it is amazingly cheap to send a lot of spam.
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Postby Hex » Fri May 04, 2007 9:00 pm UTC

It just confuses me as to how an actual profit is made, or intended to be made.

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"It has tested its products but not on an Islamic school in southern Thailand"

I mean that really sounds like a really reliable person to buy stocks from, right? If I found something like that in my postage box, I'd throw it out, so why do they think the same doesn't apply to e-mail?

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Postby bbctol » Fri May 04, 2007 9:59 pm UTC

I'm going to publish that, and claim I found "Finnegan's Wake II; The Untold Story" in Joyce's mum's attic.

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Postby Solt » Sat May 05, 2007 12:42 am UTC

Imagine only 1 in a million people is stupid enough to click on a spam link.

Now send 2 billion spam messages.

2,000 customers, for a few dozen bucks? You'd be stupid NOT to get into the business!

Nevermind that the other 1.99998 billion messages were probably identified as rubbish and deleted- it literally cost you almost nothing to send them.
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Postby Jack Saladin » Sat May 05, 2007 1:05 am UTC

^Exactly.

I mean that really sounds like a really reliable person to buy stocks from, right? If I found something like that in my postage box, I'd throw it out, so why do they think the same doesn't apply to e-mail?

Like I've said before somewhere, it's not you they're trying to get. It's the elderly, the young, people with intellectual disabilities, the uneducated, the extremely gullible/vulnerable, and so on. You only need a tiny, tiny percentage of people to fall for it to make huge profits, and considering spam is by far the most commonly sent type of email over the internet, the amount of people in that percentage ends up being quite large.

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Postby Akira » Sat May 05, 2007 3:13 am UTC

It's regrettably quite pathetic. Profitable, but pathetic.

I might have to get into the mass production of spam...
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Postby Twasbrillig » Sat May 05, 2007 3:21 am UTC

Profitable? There's KITTENS STARVING OUT THERE.
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Postby chan the evoker » Sat May 05, 2007 6:36 am UTC

I think I read somewhere that they send email like that to detrain the spam filters.

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Postby stuck » Sat May 05, 2007 11:59 am UTC

bbctol wrote:I'm going to publish that, and claim I found "Finnegan's Wake II; The Untold Story" in Joyce's mum's attic.


Oh my god. This cracked me right up. Ahahaha, i'm in tears right now. Awesome, pure awesome.
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Postby Akira » Sat May 05, 2007 2:54 pm UTC

chan the evoker wrote:I think I read somewhere that they send email like that to detrain the spam filters.


I dunno. I don't think you can "de-train" spam filters. If something makes it ito your inbox, you mark as spam...

Well, okay, so perhaps they can train ti to maybe block valid messages occasionally, but I don't think that'd have any use...
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Postby tendays » Sun May 06, 2007 3:43 pm UTC

Akira wrote:
chan the evoker wrote:I think I read somewhere that they send email like that to detrain the spam filters.


I dunno. I don't think you can "de-train" spam filters. If something makes it ito your inbox, you mark as spam...

Well, okay, so perhaps they can train ti to maybe block valid messages occasionally, but I don't think that'd have any use...


Sure it does.

Putting that gibberish in spam mail brings their word distribution closer to real email, which serves two puposes:

1 - when the mail arrives, your spam filter might mistake it for real mail and not delete/hide it. The better they do this, the more people will see their junk, which is their goal

2 - when you mark the mail as spam, your spam filter analyses it and puts the result in its database, indeed "de-training" it. So next time you get an actual email, the risks are higher that it gets misclassified as spam. The more that happens, the lower your confidence in the filter goes, and either you end up having to read your spam (see goal 1) for fear of more false positives, or lower the filter's sensitivity (thus increasing the spam you get - see goal 1).

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Postby Akira » Sun May 06, 2007 3:45 pm UTC

~That makes perfect sense, and is what I had thought of--I wouldn't consider it de-training as much as "training" the filter to make mistakes.

My warped mind in action. Sorry. <3 I got what you meant at least.
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Postby Gordon » Sun May 06, 2007 10:00 pm UTC

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Gordon wrote:I'm very disappointed that Randall has had to start resorting to selling ED pills.


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Postby Vandole » Mon May 07, 2007 12:44 am UTC

Poetry.com keeps trying to tell me I'm among the 50 contestants for the grand prize. I only signed up for it because I got credit for another site from it.

I have to say, gmail's spam filter works really well.
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Postby Akira » Mon May 07, 2007 12:49 am UTC

I'm not sure if it happened or not becuase I didn't return the letter, but I got a thing int he mail saying they (poetry.com) were going to publish me.

I'm like... if that shit i wrote is worth publishing, then I'm a monkey's uncle.

And I'm not even male. or a monkey.
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Postby hermaj » Mon May 07, 2007 2:34 am UTC

Vandole wrote:Poetry.com keeps trying to tell me I'm among the 50 contestants for the grand prize. I only signed up for it because I got credit for another site from it.

I have to say, gmail's spam filter works really well.


I've had one spam email in three years with Gmail. :D

Also, my first ex-boyfriend actually was one of the 50 contestants for the grand prize from poetry.com. Back in 2003, I believe.

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Postby Gordon » Mon May 07, 2007 2:57 am UTC

Akira wrote:I'm not sure if it happened or not becuase I didn't return the letter, but I got a thing int he mail saying they (poetry.com) were going to publish me.

I'm like... if that shit i wrote is worth publishing, then I'm a monkey's uncle.

And I'm not even male. or a monkey.


I thought everyone learned poetry.com was a huge scam like a thousand years ago?
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Postby Akira » Mon May 07, 2007 3:00 am UTC

Oh, I know it is. I was just bored and didn't have any other palce to post it. I was jsut like.. "eh, what the hell. I really don't care".


Except then i did care, ebcause they sent me the "proofs" in an envelope with the poem showing through the front window and my parents picked up the mail...

let's jsut say it wasn't a flattering view of my family that i wrote about. they were upset.
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Postby hermaj » Mon May 07, 2007 4:25 am UTC

Gordon wrote:I thought everyone learned poetry.com was a huge scam like a thousand years ago?


hermaj wrote:Also, my first ex-boyfriend actually was one of the 50 contestants for the grand prize from poetry.com. Back in 2003, I believe.


I am going to restate this because I am fully serious. He even went to the USA for the judging thing and has some sort of trophy from it. So I guess a lot of it might be a scam but some of it must for for reals. Unless I am remembering incorrectly and it's another poetry website? I am pretty sure it was poetry.com but I am willing to do some half-arsed investigating.

EDIT: Can't find the poem online. *shrugs* It was four years ago, I guess.

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Postby Solt » Mon May 07, 2007 5:18 am UTC

They've done research on the spams that list stocks. Turns out there is a positive correlation between those spams and actual stock prices. In the days after they are sent, the stock rises by a few percent, presumably enough for these spammers to make a fair amount of money.
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Postby Anmorata » Mon May 07, 2007 5:35 am UTC

Anyone else familiar with The Spam Letters? They're a riot to read, especially the Nigerian scam letters, when the site's author actually got replies back to his inquiries.
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Postby Belial » Mon May 07, 2007 5:41 am UTC

Apparently the spam letters are a huge industry in nigeria, and replies and correspondence are par for the course, up to and including the spammer insisting that you come to nigeria for some business transaction and then having you kidnapped by "police" who ask for bribe money, and so on.
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Postby Twasbrillig » Mon May 07, 2007 6:43 am UTC

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Postby Yakk » Mon May 07, 2007 4:55 pm UTC

This is all a pretty standard look at "negative externalities".

You send email -- very little cost.

Someone chooses to buy your product -- their choice.

The problem is, the million emails that where sent out and cluttered people's inboxes that where not desired.

Email reduced the cost of sending mail too low. We really should be charging everyone who sends us an unsolicited email a refundable penny, or 50 cents, or 1 dollar. It would put spammers nearly completely out of business, and save millions of dollars in internet infrastructure costs.

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Postby Akira » Mon May 07, 2007 5:03 pm UTC

Damned Nigerian Scam Mail.

You remeber hearing about that scandal in the small-town Michigan place where the treasurer embezzled a crappala cash for one of these things?

Yeah. *raises hand*
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Postby ArchangelShrike » Fri May 11, 2007 8:25 am UTC

After reading the spammers profile, I've noticed that some of them don't use their accounts right away, but safe them for a few days. Funny, no? But then again I'm up at the midnight hour, so maybe the odder spams come out.

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Postby hermaj » Fri May 11, 2007 2:18 pm UTC

ArchangelShrike wrote:After reading the spammers profile, I've noticed that some of them don't use their accounts right away, but safe them for a few days. Funny, no? But then again I'm up at the midnight hour, so maybe the odder spams come out.


This happens I am sure, but another possible explanation - they're programmed to make repeat posts (some seem to be like that) and we've deleted previous posts? That would lower postcount to make subsequent posts look like the first.

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hermaj wrote:
ArchangelShrike wrote:After reading the spammers profile, I've noticed that some of them don't use their accounts right away, but safe them for a few days. Funny, no? But then again I'm up at the midnight hour, so maybe the odder spams come out.


This happens I am sure, but another possible explanation - they're programmed to make repeat posts (some seem to be like that) and we've deleted previous posts? That would lower postcount to make subsequent posts look like the first.


They've also acquired the charming habit of having humans go around and register on Forums using a known login/password and report the successful registration so they can feed the forum address to their bots which swing by later and do the actual posting. Humans can get past the captchas, you see...
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Postby Yakk » Fri May 11, 2007 3:43 pm UTC

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ArchangelShrike wrote:After reading the spammers profile, I've noticed that some of them don't use their accounts right away, but safe them for a few days. Funny, no? But then again I'm up at the midnight hour, so maybe the odder spams come out.


This happens I am sure, but another possible explanation - they're programmed to make repeat posts (some seem to be like that) and we've deleted previous posts? That would lower postcount to make subsequent posts look like the first.


They've also acquired the charming habit of having humans go around and register on Forums using a known login/password and report the successful registration so they can feed the forum address to their bots which swing by later and do the actual posting. Humans can get past the captchas, you see...


Porn would be cheaper.

Just set up some porn, guard it with captchas.

Start to set up an account on a forum. Get the captcha. Ask the human to solve the captcha to get to the porn. Use that solution to solve the forum captcha.

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Postby ZeroSum » Fri May 11, 2007 4:12 pm UTC

Every once in a while I get spam that's just about 100 words. Problem is they don't try to sell me anything or obtain any info from me. They just send me words. It's odd.

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Postby The LuigiManiac » Fri May 11, 2007 4:35 pm UTC

There's just so many spam topics right now that it isn't even funny. There's at least 3, maybe more.
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Postby Tractor » Fri May 11, 2007 4:53 pm UTC

The LuigiManiac wrote:There's just so many spam topics right now that it isn't even funny. There's at least 3, maybe more.


It happens. The mods will get them, but they can't be expected to grab 'em all as soon as they pop up every time. They're only raptor....I mean human. :?

Although the porn links one by the poster 'Grandmother' is pure gold.
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