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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Artemisia » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:21 am UTC

Echo244 wrote:Good luck!

Thanks. I failed the exam for the second time after a crappy night's sleep & remnants of my throat infection. CRAP. CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP
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Postby Zohar » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:32 pm UTC

I only passed on my fifth exam, and I'm a pretty good driver. I think what helped me the most was positive thinking and trying to reduce stress.
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Postby Echo244 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:36 pm UTC

Bah, bad luck Artemisia.
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Postby Angua » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:24 pm UTC

I was 5th attempt for the one at home, and 3rd attempt for the one in the UK. I get uber nervous in practical exams.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Yakk » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:33 pm UTC

Get a license in North America, where it seems a heartbeat and inability to actually hit things gets you on the road.

Then transfer it using an international license to wherever you live? ;)
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Postby Zohar » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:41 pm UTC

Nah, I have an Israeli-International license and I can only use it in the US for the first year from having entered a country. To get an American license I have to actually take the test, from what I understand.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Yakk » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:47 pm UTC

Hmm. Apparently reciprocal agreements are limited:
http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/mo ... untry.aspx
https://www.servicealberta.ca/1671.cfm
apparently NYS only has agreements with Canada and other US states:
http://dmv.ny.gov/driver-license/exchan ... er-license
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Sableagle » Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:02 pm UTC

Overgrown hedge needed a lot of cutting down and pruning hard. I can do that. I started on that.
Near end of it had dead trees. I cut them down to the ground ... and tripped on the stumps, so I cut the rest of the dead ones down to knee-height and used the stumps as bird tables. That's fine.
Next tree in line died. Annoying. At least the first stage of the pruning thing was mostly done.
Next tree in line died. Annoying and ... strange. At least the hedge was regrowing from the trunks where I'd cut out four feet of thickness up to eight feet off the ground (yes, it was *overgrown*).
Next tree in line died. Suspicions of disease arose. I did not act then, when I should have. Oops ... but that's not the complaint this week.
Several more trees died. A few metres of hedge have died over ten years. If I'd done this sooner, it would have been a smaller job. Still, that's not the complaint today.
The same thing happened at the other end, and I spotted the golden (edible) mushrooms around a tree stump. Peeling back the bark revealed the "mushroom skin" layer. Suspicions confirmed: honey fungus, Armillaria mellea. It's a natural part of the ecosystem, stage one of turning tree stumps into soil, in a forest, but in a hedge it's a killer. That's not the target of today's hatred, either, though. It's natural, it's native and it's fine really.
Of course, there used to be a treatment for it, called armillatox, but it would have cost more to get a new EU licence for it than its sales figures merited, so it's history ... and no, that's not why I want to swear at someone today.
In the absence of armillatox, the way to deal with honey fungus is to dig out the infected part of the hedge, including the trees that look healthy but have that mushroom skin effect under the bark on the roots. That's hard work ... but it's not the issue here.

No, the issue here is whatever @R$£#0|_£ left that 1-litre glass bottle buried in among the tree roots when this place was built.

I am typing this one-handed. I am typing this left-handed, and I want to hit litterbugs and lazy builders in the face with my rusty old shovel.
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Postby Quercus » Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:20 pm UTC

Ouch! That doesn't sound fun. As soon as you started talking about trees dying in a line I thought "honey fungus". It might be natural, but it's a right pain in the arse if it gets into a garden.

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Postby addams » Fri Oct 02, 2015 12:04 am UTC

How did you manage to cut yourself?
I find old things buried. I like them.

Old bottles are 'kind of' fun.
I found some 50-70 year old trash.

There were perfume bottles in the shapes of animals and old medicine bottles.
And; A creepy old beer bottle with the remnants of a dead rodent.

How did you cut yourself?

oh...I'm sorry about your fungus.
I did lose a few plants to a fungus this year, too.

I am using a copper based fungicide.
It is working. I'll not lose any more. (i hope)
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Postby Neil_Boekend » Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:48 am UTC

@Sableagle: That sucks. Be sure to check your tetanus expiration date. A tetanus shot you had 20 years ago no longer works. Your general practitioner should be able to tell you whether you need a new shot.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby addams » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:32 am UTC

Neal; What practical advice.
How many days does a person have?
To get that shot? I'll ask the Internet.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/ ... ekey=47225
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Postby Sableagle » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:14 pm UTC

addams wrote:How did you cut yourself?
The hedge is growing in a layer of small rocks. I've found slabs of tarmac down there. It seems there was a driveway or a carp park or something and they threw their rubbish on it and turfed over the top. With the roots wrapped around everything and each other, I've been digging along, freeing the trees one by one and lifting them out, hoping to get to non-infected trees and be able to stop. A rock got in my way. I pried at it, put my hand under it and pulled, and it rolled on another rock, pushing my hand down through suddenly loose soil as it came out. The soil contained the bottom part of the bottle and a hundred parts of the rest of the bottle.

All shots up to date for travel reasons, and it seems to be healing cleanly everywhere. Still, please do not leave glass bottles all over the place, guys. They turn wild and vicious.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby addams » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:34 am UTC

I promise.
I will Not leave bottles and broken glass for the people that come after me.

I do like to leave a little something at homes I have lived in.
I'm leaving Rocks at this one. Large round river rocks and sand.

Someone that comes after me may trip on the rocks.
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Postby Fractal_Tangent » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:25 am UTC

Rant/slight grumpiness:

Facebook just showed me a picture that a friend of mine took which was of his kitchen with the sides full of things that needed to be washed up. He'd added the caption 'When your wife goes away for the weekend and you realize how much you love her.'

No dude, it's 'When your wife goes away for the weekend and you realize that you're a lazy shit who doesn't help around the house'. You're at least 23 years old, your wife is not your mother & shouldn't have to clean up after your bullshit.
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Postby Sableagle » Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:47 am UTC

Related thereto:
If you take all the clean stuff out of the dishwasher before you put dirty stuff in, there's more room for the dirty stuff, which is nice.
If you take all the clean stuff out of the dishwasher before you put dirty stuff in, the clean stuff stays clean while you're loading the dirty stuff, which is nice.
If you take all the clean stuff out of the dishwasher before you put dirty stuff in, the clean stuff's in cupboards and drawers where you can get to it without having to interrupt the dishwasher, which is nice.
If you don't have to interrupt the dishwasher to get stuff out of it, the dishwasher gets to finish its cycle and clean your stuff, so there's clean stuff, which is nice.
If you let the dishwasher finish its cycle, then move the clean stuff to cupboards and drawers, then put the dirty stuff that's built up during the dishwasher cycle into the dishwasher, then, when the dishwasher is near enough full of dirty stuff or you've just stopped using stuff and will want a lot of stuff in about 150 minutes' time, run the dishwasher and let the dishwasher finish its cycle, then move the clean stuff to cupboards and drawers, then put the dirty stuff that's built up during the dishwasher cycle into the dishwasher, then, when the dishwasher is near enough full of dirty stuff or you've just stopped using stuff and will want a lot of stuff in about 150 minutes' time, run the dishwasher and let the dishwasher finish its cycle, then move the clean stuff to cupboards and drawers, then put the dirty stuff that's built up during the dishwasher cycle into the dishwasher, then, when the dishwasher is near enough full of dirty stuff or you've just stopped using stuff and will want a lot of stuff in about 150 minutes' time, run the dishwasher ...

... I won't be increasingly tempted to sweep all your dishes and mugs off the worktop into the bin to make room for me to make myself a cup of tea.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby addams » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:04 pm UTC

Jeeze.
I feel your pain.
Now; Imagine No Dishwasher.

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Your friend married a Clod.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Flumble » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:07 pm UTC

Related thereto:
If you take out your dishes out of the dish rack –immediately after washing up– and dry them and put them in the cupboards, there's space in the dish rack for others to leave their wet dishes when washing up.

Luckily, our group is on the same page regarding that now. :)

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Postby Zohar » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:20 pm UTC

Fractal_Tangent wrote:No dude, it's 'When your wife goes away for the weekend and you realize that you're a lazy shit who doesn't help around the house'. You're at least 23 years old, your wife is not your mother & shouldn't have to clean up after your bullshit.

I mean, I don't know this guy or their relationship, but it's possible they split chores between themselves. Maybe he hates doing dishes and she hates cleaning the house, so she always does one and he does another, or maybe she doesn't hate cleaning the house but is willing for him to do that so he doesn't have to do something he hates, and he appreciates she's willing to let him have the house cleaning on a regular basis.
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Postby Fractal_Tangent » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:35 pm UTC

Yeah, I agree that I'm just judging this post on face value, but he always seemed the type to quite like gender roles.
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Postby Zohar » Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:11 pm UTC

Fractal_Tangent wrote:Yeah, I agree that I'm just judging this post on face value, but he always seemed the type to quite like gender roles.

Fair enough. I wonder if replying "I hope you give her as many reasons to miss you when you're away" is a good response or not...
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Postby Fractal_Tangent » Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:26 pm UTC

I told Facebook not to show it to me so that I didn't feel grumpy about it because (as you said) there might be very simple reasons behind this that would make me totally cool with it.
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Postby addams » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:03 am UTC

Zohar wrote:
Fractal_Tangent wrote:Yeah, I agree that I'm just judging this post on face value, but he always seemed the type to quite like gender roles.

Fair enough. I wonder if replying "I hope you give her as many reasons to miss you when you're away" is a good response or not...

I think that is a lovely response.
It gives the Clod 'the benefit of the doubt' and it is inspirational.

We don't know those people.

He may kiss her feet.
And; Buy fresh flowers.
That may be enough for her.

She may Like the Clod and she may Like doing dishes.
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Postby Neil_Boekend » Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:34 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:Related thereto:
If you take out your dishes out of the dish rack –immediately after washing up– and dry them and put them in the cupboards, there's space in the dish rack for others to leave their wet dishes when washing up.

Luckily, our group is on the same page regarding that now. :)

I have a different opinion on this. If you are doing the dishes by hand and the end result is not a stack of clean and drying dishes you are wasting time drying while the air will do this nicely.
Of course this only works properly if you are the only one who needs to cook and do dishes in that area. Else you're just an ass that keeps taking up space without a good reason.
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Postby Sableagle » Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:47 pm UTC

Bad "trick" questions.

"If you drop a brick and a half-brick out of a window, which one hits the ground first?"

Now, to 6-year-olds and people who listen to BBC Radio 1, the correct answer is "They both hit at the same time," and the people who listen to Radio 1 will delight in trying to catch other people out with this question.

To a 9-year-old, though, certain flaws in this question may become apparent.

If we're talking about droppign them (at the same time, with our hands at the same height, obviously) onto level ground from one floor up, sure, they'll both hit at the same time within the experimental error introduced by your inability to really drop them in the same millisecond and your recording equipment not being all that precise either. However, if you dropped them out of a window on the top floor of a 72-storey building ...

... well, most of the air resistance of a falling brick or half-brick is profile drag and form drag, not surface drag, and the form is pretty similar, so how much air resistance the chunk of stuff gets will depend on how big a shadow it casts. Both falling end-on, they have very similar air resistance, but as they tumble they'll sometimes be edge-on or face-on, and in either of those orientations the full brick has more air resistance. The further they fall, the faster they're going and the more air resistance they have, and the more difference that'll make. Falling about 215 metres without air resistance would take about 6.5 seconds, with a fianl speed of about 65 m/s or 145 mph, at which speed a brick or half-brick has a lot of air resistance, so it's going to matter. The full bricks will average less than twice the air resistance of the half-bricks, so relative to weight they'll have less and they'll fall faster, reaching the ground first.

You can't tell that to someone who heard it on Radio 1 and thought it'd be really clever of him to try to catch you out with it, though, because he heard it on Radio 1.

You can't even point out the thing that'll mean the full brick gets to the ground first even from a ground-floor window.

Yes, really.

Mime doing it. Imagine, in you head, leaning out of the window, holding the brick and the half-brick, and letting go of both at once.

You had your hands at the same height, didn't you? It'd be unfair to have them at different heights, so they were at the same height, weren't they?

Now, were the two items on your hands with your hands palm-up or hanging down, held between your fingers with your hands palm-down? Your hands were palm-down? Oh. So which item was hanging further down from your hand, and therefore had less distance to travel?

See? Shit question.

Another one: "When you open the fridge door, does the room get warmer, get cooler or stay the same temperature?"

Well, for a start, over here "the room" means the front room, the living room, the room with the TV and sofas or whatever you want to call it. We're going to have to assume you mean the room with the fridge in it. We're also going to have to assume that the room in question is at a room temperature in the 16-24 centigrade range, that the fridge has power, works, is at a normal fridge sort of internal temperature of 2 to 6 C and has its thermostat set to that sort of temperature. We also need to assume that the room isn't being cooled by air con or a draught or heated by a fire or intensifying sunlight or anything like that to any extent that would mask the results. Then we need to ask something: does the air in the fridge count as part of the room? If it does, the answer is that the room gets warmer due to the heat produced by the effort of opening the door. If not, then the intuitive answer is that the room gets cooler, and the person asking this question will jump on you, telling you you're wrong. They won't let you explain, of course. It'd take five rools of duct tape and some serious work with pliers and needles to get them to shut up and listen once they've asked that question and they think they've caught you out.

What happens is that cooler, denser air in the fridge (not counted as part of the room) slumps out of the fridge and into the room, displacing warmer, less dense air from the room out of the room and into the fridge, thus making the room cooler. That is what happens, and "cooler" is the correct answer.

THEN the warmer air in the fridge warms the inside skin of the fridge and that warms the thermostat and that eventually kicks the motor into life to try to cool the fridge back down, pumping heat back out of the fridge and into the room, and due to the efficiency of the fridge motor and pump beign less than 100% that generates heat, which is released into the room, making the room warmer, so leaving the fridge door open will make the room warmer ... but they didn't ask that, did they? They asked what happens when you open the fridge door, and if you point that out they'll say you're nit-picking or quibbling or trying to weasel out of it because you know you were wrong or whatever.

So, people with "trick" questions, just f___ off, will you? I can't be bothered with you any more.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Adacore » Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:36 am UTC

I mean, the fridge question is fairly obviously a function of time. The temperature of the room will initially drop, then rise to a higher temperature than the previous steady state as heat is rejected by the refrigerator cooling system, assuming an adiabatic room, and perfectly insulated fridge. If the fridge insulation is imperfect, but the system is still adiabatic, the temperature of the room will continually rise, indefinitely. Until it gets hot enough to fry the compressor on the fridge, or trip some kind of high temperature safety cutout (do fridges have those?), I guess.

Actually, wait. That question never states that you close the fridge door again after you've opened it. If the fridge door is left open, the cooling system won't activate at all (I think, at least, for most refrigerators I've seen), so the room will become slightly cooler as the air in the room mixes with that in the fridge, and then stay at constant temperature, as no further heat is rejected by the fridge. All your food would go off, but that would happen eventually in a fridge in an adiabatically sealed room anyway - even if the cooling system doesn't die at high temperature, it'll eventually be unable to reject any heat.

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Postby ucim » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:20 am UTC

Adacore wrote:Actually, wait. That question never states that you close the fridge door again after you've opened it. If the fridge door is left open, the cooling system won't activate at all (I think, at least, for most refrigerators I've seen), so the room will become slightly cooler as the air in the room mixes with that in the fridge, and then stay at constant temperature, as no further heat is rejected by the fridge.
What about the heat from the fridge light? Huh? Huh? Huh?

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Postby K-R » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:17 am UTC

Sableagle wrote:Well, for a start, over here "the room" means the front room, the living room, the room with the TV and sofas or whatever you want to call it. We're going to have to assume you mean the room with the fridge in it.
Do they not have context in your country?

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Postby phlip » Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:08 am UTC

K-R wrote:Do they not have context in your country?

Once you start dealing with the sort of person who asks these kind of dumb "gotcha" trick questions, concepts like "context" and "implication" and many other vital communication shorthands get thrown out the window, because any shorthand you're assuming they're using could easily be the one they're planning to "gotcha" you with.

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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Giant Speck » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:12 am UTC

FUCK.

I went to see an optometrist a couple weeks ago. They said that my prescription would be complicated to figure out because not only am I nearsighted in my left eye with a slight astigmatism, but my left eye is very slightly misaligned and also overworks itself trying to focus on objects. The doctor wrote me a prescription and told me that my military-issue glasses would arrive in the mail within two to four weeks.

In the meantime, I accidentally shredded the prescription with some work papers.

I received the glasses in the mail on Saturday. I notice on the little paper that came with the glasses that there is hardly any prescription in my left eye (spherical: PLANO; cylinder: -0.25) and a more powerful prescription in my right eye (spherical: +0.25; cylinder: -1.00), which is supposed to be the good eye. I shrug it off because the doctor did say they wanted to try a couple different prescriptions.

This morning, I went in to have a new prescription printed so that I could buy some prescription sunglasses online. It turns out that the glasses they ordered me had the wrong fucking prescription in them. I got a new pair of glasses ordered and I'll have to wait another two to four weeks for them.

Even then, the prescription still shows a stronger correction in the right eye than the left eye:

OD (right eye) = spherical: +0.50; cylinder: -1.00; axis: 175
OS (left eye) = spherical: +0.25; cylinder: -0.75; axis: 175

I guess I'll have to wait to see if they work.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Quercus » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:41 am UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
Flumble wrote:Related thereto:
If you take out your dishes out of the dish rack –immediately after washing up– and dry them and put them in the cupboards, there's space in the dish rack for others to leave their wet dishes when washing up.

Luckily, our group is on the same page regarding that now. :)

I have a different opinion on this. If you are doing the dishes by hand and the end result is not a stack of clean and drying dishes you are wasting time drying while the air will do this nicely.
Of course this only works properly if you are the only one who needs to cook and do dishes in that area. Else you're just an ass that keeps taking up space without a good reason.


Really? Our house (three housemates) has the system that washing up starts with emptying the drying rack from the previous round of washing up (whoever did it) and ends with a stack of drying dishes. Works very well for us, and saves time overall - I suppose it only works because we share dishes and kitchen equipment though.

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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Fractal_Tangent » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:43 am UTC

Yes, this is how the washing up works in my house as well. Start with removing the stuff that the air has dried, then do the washing up. If there's a space issue with the drying rack, you can always remove some things. However, this system is in place because I live with my boyfriend and no one else so pissing off housemates isn't really an issue.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby K-R » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:28 am UTC

phlip wrote:
K-R wrote:Do they not have context in your country?

Once you start dealing with the sort of person who asks these kind of dumb "gotcha" trick questions, concepts like "context" and "implication" and many other vital communication shorthands get thrown out the window, because any shorthand you're assuming they're using could easily be the one they're planning to "gotcha" you with.
But that's not the sense in which Sableagle brought it up. In fact, it was the exact opposite of that: "outside of this question, it would normally mean the living room, but for the sake of this question we'll assume the room with the fridge in it".

Normally, you'd assume "the room" to be whatever room context was made most likely, but given the nature of the question start questioning exactly what 'the room' means, which is the opposite of what Sableagle did.

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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Zohar » Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:40 pm UTC

Fractal_Tangent wrote:Yes, this is how the washing up works in my house as well. Start with removing the stuff that the air has dried, then do the washing up. If there's a space issue with the drying rack, you can always remove some things. However, this system is in place because I live with my boyfriend and no one else so pissing off housemates isn't really an issue.

Same here, but with husband instead of boyfriend.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby eSOANEM » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:40 pm UTC

Me and my three housemates are also on that same system (again, though, we're sharing all cooking equipment).
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:52 pm UTC

Quercus wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:
Flumble wrote:Related thereto:
If you take out your dishes out of the dish rack –immediately after washing up– and dry them and put them in the cupboards, there's space in the dish rack for others to leave their wet dishes when washing up.

Luckily, our group is on the same page regarding that now. :)

I have a different opinion on this. If you are doing the dishes by hand and the end result is not a stack of clean and drying dishes you are wasting time drying while the air will do this nicely.
Of course this only works properly if you are the only one who needs to cook and do dishes in that area. Else you're just an ass that keeps taking up space without a good reason.


Really? Our house (three housemates) has the system that washing up starts with emptying the drying rack from the previous round of washing up (whoever did it) and ends with a stack of drying dishes. Works very well for us, and saves time overall - I suppose it only works because we share dishes and kitchen equipment though.

Indeed, it's lack of communication that can turn it into assholeish behavior. When I was in a student living quarters with a shared kitchen the agreed upon method was dry and store your dishes after you are done and clean the area. It worked rather well. Now I am living alone and have a dishwasher, so everything that does not fit in the dishwasher stays on the counter until I either need to use the item, need the space or do new dishes.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Whizbang » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:40 pm UTC

I'd pay big money for a dishwasher that is also a storage unit. I'm imagining something that is a combination of vending machine, old-timey juke box, and dish-washer. You load dirty dishes on the appropriate slot (plate, glass, mug, fork, knife, etc.), then when those containers are full (or when a button is manually pushed) it washes them and then shifts them over to the clean section.

Something like this (only not horrible):
Dishwasher9001.JPG


Also, number of Clean/Dirty modules can be adjusted. Or maybe instead of shifting things around, any of the sections can be used to wash. Then you'd just have a clean/dirty indicator on top.

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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Flumble » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:07 pm UTC

That's not intricate enough. It needs to have conveyor belts and sorting hardware to accept dishes from a single belt/box/rack, wash them and transport them to the right cupboards. :D

But seriously, if the dish usage over a day for the average household is always similar, that washer of yours would be a great improvement already.

Neil_Boekend wrote:
Flumble wrote:Related thereto:
If you take out your dishes out of the dish rack –immediately after washing up– and dry them and put them in the cupboards, there's space in the dish rack for others to leave their wet dishes when washing up.

Luckily, our group is on the same page regarding that now. :)

I have a different opinion on this. If you are doing the dishes by hand and the end result is not a stack of clean and drying dishes you are wasting time drying while the air will do this nicely.
Of course this only works properly if you are the only one who needs to cook and do dishes in that area. Else you're just an ass that keeps taking up space without a good reason.

That would be preferrable if
  • washing happened so infrequently that the dishes would most often be dry before the next person starts doing their dishes (for context: we're with >10 students and only one kitchen, and yes, we too share our equipment)
  • there were no significant difference between dishes cleaned up and dishes washed (this argument doesn't necessarily hold true)
  • there were no ongoing effort for a "clean up after yourself" mentality (in my experience, our group lacks the coherence to just look after each other, so one person ends up cleaning up after the rest the whole time because their standard is the highest and it ends in annoyance)
And of course the house simply looks tidier when there's no dishes hanging around on the counter.

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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Angua » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:32 pm UTC

So, the Tories are trying to amend the Opposition motion of:
"Junior Doctor’s Contracts

That this House notes the stalled discussions between Government and the British Medical Association (BMA) about a new junior doctor contract; opposes the removal of financial penalties from hospitals which protect staff from working excessive hours; urges the Government to guarantee that no junior doctor will have their pay cut as a result of a new contract and calls upon Government to withdraw the threat of contract imposition, put forward proposals which are safe for patients and fair for junior doctors and return to negotiations with the BMA."


to
This House “welcomes the Government’s commitment to delivering seven-day hospital services and saving lives by combating the weekend effect; notes the British Medical Association’s (BMA) decision to walk away from negotiations to reform a contract which all sides acknowledge is not fit for purpose; further notes the Government’s proposed introduction of new contractual limits which protect staff from working unsafe hours and the commitment that average junior doctors’ pay will not fall; and calls upon the BMA to put patient care first, to choose talks over strikes, and to return to negotiations.”


That's not even a bloody debate. I hope that the amendment doesn't pass.
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Re: Rant Thread : For all your obscenity screaming needs

Postby Echo244 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:43 pm UTC

No, that's not a debate, which is entirely the intent behind the amendment.

I'd guess that won't pass, but the motion as a whole will probably get rejected. The Tories have the majority and in light of the recent defeat in the Lords, the government are fairly likely to put quite a lot of effort in to getting their way on everything, even motions like this. They seem very concerned with authority and the ability to exercise it in whatever way they want, rather than checks and balances and debates.
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