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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby addams » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:53 am UTC

Oh,...I am so impressed.
And; Very interested.

If you have Star Gazing Stories,
I would like to read them.

When Jupiter is too bright, do you use a filter?
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby Sableagle » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:25 am UTC

Only Jupiter story I have is of two girls looking up and seeing it shining in the early evening and one saying: "That's really spooky that there's just one star out and you can't see any others." I thought of correcting them, but the fact I'd heard every word perfectly from 60 paces away would probably have freaked them out.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby addams » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:12 pm UTC

You must have been in a quiet part of a city.
In bright cities, there is often only One Star.

Jupiter.
Right?
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby pogrmman » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:11 pm UTC

addams wrote:Oh,...I am so impressed.
And; Very interested.

If you have Star Gazing Stories,
I would like to read them.

When Jupiter is too bright, do you use a filter?

I have used my moon filter on occasion for Jupiter.

Unfortunately I don’t have many stories — my current project is to sketch all the Messier objects. I’ve barely started, but that alone could last me several years of frequent observing. I’m currently working on a sketch of the dumbbell nebula — the only reason it wasn’t done in one night is because I got tired. It’s been on hiatus because there was a lot of dust from the Sahara messing up the skies earlier this week.

I’ve done some other neat projects before — like calculating distances to variable stars based off of my measurements of Shark Week. I’m proud that I spotted 3C273, a quasar 2.3 billion light years away (IIRC), from my house in the light-polluted suburbs.

There’s truly a hundred lifetimes of stuff to see in the sky even with a hobbyist telescope — old friends you’ve seen a million times before, only to reveal new secrets each time you visit; faint objects that take forever to track down, where you don’t know if you’re seeing it with averted vision or “averted imagination”; clusters bejeweled with thousands of stars, each a slightly different hue; small smudges of light that’s travelled for millions of years, just to land on your eyeball. I’ve sat through swarms of mosquitoes, stinging ants, bitter cold, and sweaty heat, yet I’ve enjoyed it all.

I think one of my neatest experiences was out in West Texas. I didn’t have my telescope, just a pair of binoculars. It was cold and quiet, late at night. The Milky Way arced up, with endless detail, even though it wasn’t the summer. Despite my familiarity with the sky, I lost track of the constellations because of how many stars there were. I scanned with binoculars and picked out what I was looking for — the Triangulum Galaxy. I pulled down the binoculars, only to see the galaxy with my naked eye. Even through my telescope at home, it was a pale shadow of what I saw that night.

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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby heuristically_alone » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:45 pm UTC

Jupiter is also the best movement written by Gustav Holst from The Planets.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby addams » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:01 am UTC

pogrmman wrote:
addams wrote:Oh,...I am so impressed.
And; Very interested.

If you have Star Gazing Stories,
I would like to read them.

When Jupiter is too bright, do you use a filter?

I have used my moon filter on occasion for Jupiter.

Unfortunately I don’t have many stories — my current project is to sketch all the Messier objects. I’ve barely started, but that alone could last me several years of frequent observing. I’m currently working on a sketch of the dumbbell nebula — the only reason it wasn’t done in one night is because I got tired. It’s been on hiatus because there was a lot of dust from the Sahara messing up the skies earlier this week.
Spoiler:
I’ve done some other neat projects before — like calculating distances to variable stars based off of my measurements of Shark Week. I’m proud that I spotted 3C273, a quasar 2.3 billion light years away (IIRC), from my house in the light-polluted suburbs.

There’s truly a hundred lifetimes of stuff to see in the sky even with a hobbyist telescope — old friends you’ve seen a million times before, only to reveal new secrets each time you visit; faint objects that take forever to track down, where you don’t know if you’re seeing it with averted vision or “averted imagination”; clusters bejeweled with thousands of stars, each a slightly different hue; small smudges of light that’s travelled for millions of years, just to land on your eyeball. I’ve sat through swarms of mosquitoes, stinging ants, bitter cold, and sweaty heat, yet I’ve enjoyed it all.

I think one of my neatest experiences was out in West Texas. I didn’t have my telescope, just a pair of binoculars. It was cold and quiet, late at night. The Milky Way arced up, with endless detail, even though it wasn’t the summer. Despite my familiarity with the sky, I lost track of the constellations because of how many stars there were. I scanned with binoculars and picked out what I was looking for — the Triangulum Galaxy. I pulled down the binoculars, only to see the galaxy with my naked eye. Even through my telescope at home, it was a pale shadow of what I saw that night.
The Dumbbell Nebula?
I thought of this clip from Sixty Symbols.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAZkpyFEbLg

I was Wrong. I looked on U-Tube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYZnSKIlM1c

Do you have a photo of The Dumbbell?
Can you post a photo of your sketch?

What will you Do with all the drawings, when you are done?
Will you frame them? Will you make a coffee table book?

Yes. The open desert sky is Amazing.
The high mountain deserts on the East side of the Sierra Nevada Mountains are the best views I have ever seen.
(sigh...) That was a long time ago. Light pollution in those little mountain valleys has increased a great deal.

heuristically_alone wrote:Jupiter is also the best movement written by Gustav Holst from The Planets.
Yes, Heury; It is darned good music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A637zg35iYA

I think, the loss of our musicality as common people is a conversation worth having, over and over.
Music is so very easy to access, everyone can have it and it is being pushed at us everywhere I go.

yet...my lived experience is one of sound pollution.
We are not listening to and reproducing easily sung songs.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
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Those that do not Know; Don't tell them.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby heuristically_alone » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:33 am UTC

Though Ive been enjoying jamming to Jumpsuit and it's been great to sing along to. And the music video is kinda cool.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby pogrmman » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:02 am UTC

addams wrote:
Spoiler:
pogrmman wrote:
addams wrote:Oh,...I am so impressed.
And; Very interested.

If you have Star Gazing Stories,
I would like to read them.

When Jupiter is too bright, do you use a filter?

I have used my moon filter on occasion for Jupiter.

Unfortunately I don’t have many stories — my current project is to sketch all the Messier objects. I’ve barely started, but that alone could last me several years of frequent observing. I’m currently working on a sketch of the dumbbell nebula — the only reason it wasn’t done in one night is because I got tired. It’s been on hiatus because there was a lot of dust from the Sahara messing up the skies earlier this week.[spoiler]I’ve done some other neat projects before — like calculating distances to variable stars based off of my measurements of Shark Week. I’m proud that I spotted 3C273, a quasar 2.3 billion light years away (IIRC), from my house in the light-polluted suburbs.

There’s truly a hundred lifetimes of stuff to see in the sky even with a hobbyist telescope — old friends you’ve seen a million times before, only to reveal new secrets each time you visit; faint objects that take forever to track down, where you don’t know if you’re seeing it with averted vision or “averted imagination”; clusters bejeweled with thousands of stars, each a slightly different hue; small smudges of light that’s travelled for millions of years, just to land on your eyeball. I’ve sat through swarms of mosquitoes, stinging ants, bitter cold, and sweaty heat, yet I’ve enjoyed it all.

I think one of my neatest experiences was out in West Texas. I didn’t have my telescope, just a pair of binoculars. It was cold and quiet, late at night. The Milky Way arced up, with endless detail, even though it wasn’t the summer. Despite my familiarity with the sky, I lost track of the constellations because of how many stars there were. I scanned with binoculars and picked out what I was looking for — the Triangulum Galaxy. I pulled down the binoculars, only to see the galaxy with my naked eye. Even through my telescope at home, it was a pale shadow of what I saw that night.
The Dumbbell Nebula?
I thought of this clip from Sixty Symbols.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAZkpyFEbLg

I was Wrong. I looked on U-Tube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYZnSKIlM1c

Do you have a photo of The Dumbbell?
Can you post a photo of your sketch?

What will you Do with all the drawings, when you are done?
Will you frame them? Will you make a coffee table book?

Yes. The open desert sky is Amazing.
The high mountain deserts on the East side of the Sierra Nevada Mountains are the best views I have ever seen.
(sigh...) That was a long time ago. Light pollution in those little mountain valleys has increased a great deal.
Spoiler:
heuristically_alone wrote:Jupiter is also the best movement written by Gustav Holst from The Planets.
Yes, Heury; It is darned good music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A637zg35iYA

I think, the loss of our musicality as common people is a conversation worth having, over and over.
Music is so very easy to access, everyone can have it and it is being pushed at us everywhere I go.

yet...my lived experience is one of sound pollution.
We are not listening to and reproducing easily sung songs.

I just finished my sketch. I’ll scan it and post it in the morning. It’s not particularly good — I was lazy and didn’t get many of the field stars (I’m pretty tolerant of humidity, but 85° with a dew point of 75° is sticky even by my standards!). I did put a lot of attention into the nebula itself though. I also did something I’ve never done before: a planetary sketch (Saturn). It’s way harder to capture planetary detail than it is to capture DSO detail. Plus, there’s the whole color aspext that doesn’t show up (much) in DSOs. I’ll post that sketch as well.

I don’t know what I’ll do with my sketches. It’s fun, it makes me focus a lot more on what I’m actually seeing, and it has really improved my observing skills. It’s certainly worth doing for that! Plus, it’s really the only way to truly capture what you see at the eyepiece.

The Sierra Nevada still have some pretty dark skies — it’s not all lost to light pollution! One of my favorite stargazing moments was at Precipice Lake in the backcountry of Sequoia National Park. I woke up in the middle of the night, and was greeted by a huge expanse of stars. With the mountains and the reflection off the lake, it was almost like a postcard.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby addams » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:05 am UTC

Thank you, Pogrmman.
I will
Spoiler:
Wait for it...
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We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby somitomi » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:55 am UTC

I looked up how much a telescope costs, I'm not sure I want another costly and time consuming hobby. Soooo... where can I get into one of these "star parties" you've mentioned?
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby Sableagle » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:10 am UTC

somitomi wrote:I looked up how much a telescope costs, I'm not sure I want another costly and time consuming hobby. Soooo... where can I get into one of these "star parties" you've mentioned?

Zselic, apparently, but every site I've found says it's awesome without offering a calendar.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby pogrmman » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:32 pm UTC

Here's my sketches from last night (I inverted the dumbbell nebula one because it looks like what you see then):
Spoiler:
Saturn:
Saturn_71818.png


Dumbbell Nebula:
M27.png


Regarding star parties, sometimes local or state parks put them on. If you have an astronomy club in your area, they probably run a couple star parties. Oftentimes, colleges hold them on occasion. Try and search for "your city here astronomy club" -- at least in big cities, its not unusual for them to run a couple a month.

I wish astro gear weren't so expensive, but what makes me feel better about it is if you amortize it over how much time I've spent observing, it's not terrible. Even with a lowball estimate about how many hours I've observed, it comes out to like $5-6/hour. More realistically, for me, it's like $3-4/hour. But, I've also put a lot of time into the hobby and haven't gone for super high-end stuff (just really solid, mid-range stuff). Fortunately, it lasts forever, so I can use my current setup for easily another 10 or 15 years at a minimum.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby Zohar » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:48 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:I looked up how much a telescope costs, I'm not sure I want another costly and time consuming hobby. Soooo... where can I get into one of these "star parties" you've mentioned?

I've seen those affiliated with universities as well, so you could try looking up those.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby somitomi » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:04 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:
somitomi wrote:I looked up how much a telescope costs, I'm not sure I want another costly and time consuming hobby. Soooo... where can I get into one of these "star parties" you've mentioned?

Zselic, apparently, but every site I've found says it's awesome without offering a calendar.

Time to use my secret hacker skills: http://zselicicsillagpark.hu/heti-program.php
pogrmman wrote:
Spoiler:
Saturn:
Saturn_71818.png


I could probably spend a lot of time looking at Saturn.
Zohar wrote:I've seen those affiliated with universities as well, so you could try looking up those.

Huh, maybe I should find the guys who were photographing the partial eclipse a couple years ago with their telescopes.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby addams » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:21 pm UTC

Saturn is truly spectacular.
I've seen it through a telescope.

Yep. I was a typical pedestrian.
I gasped, look at it with my naked eyes, then back through the telescope.
Then, I looked at the man and asked, "Is that Real??" (So, dumb...)
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Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby PM 2Ring » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:53 pm UTC

Not dumb. Saturn does have that photoshop look to it. I've seen lots of photos of Saturn, and saw it through a cheap telescope when I was a kid, but the first time I saw Saturn through a good scope I was blown away.

Modern computer enhanced imaging techniques are great, and allow us to see high quality images that wouldn't be available otherwise, but nothing can replace the sensation of having the photons from some celestial object landing on your retina (after bouncing off a mirror or two, and going through a lens).

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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby addams » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:32 am UTC

Thank you, PM 2Ring; (tee-hee)

I remember that comic.
That is, still, funny.

Cassini gave us so many beautiful photographs.
Do you remember seeing the photo of the Sun behind Saturn?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view ... ajaxhist=0

For me, it is one of those, "Remember the moment, moments."
I was culturally significant. Wasn't it? Like, The Pale Blue Dot.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby somitomi » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:54 am UTC

Random tip of the day: heat shrink tubes are a good replacement for the aglets at the end of shoelaces.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby bessie » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:07 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:I looked up how much a telescope costs, I'm not sure I want another costly and time consuming hobby. Soooo... where can I get into one of these "star parties" you've mentioned?
You’re correct, like any other hobby, it will consume as much time, space, and money as you want to throw at it (my background for reference: 4 years previously working for a telescope company). Before you jump in, you will want to consider not just the cost of the telescope, but of the eyepieces (this may add several hundred dollars to your start up costs). I think it’s a great idea to go to a few star parties before you buy a telescope. Telescope owners are usually a very friendly and enthusiastic group, and would be happy to share their knowledge with you. You can get a better idea of what you want (like, are you more interested in a larger scope or a sharper scope? Observing or photography? How much space do you have to store it? etc.).

pogrmman wrote:I think one of my neatest experiences was out in West Texas. I didn’t have my telescope, just a pair of binoculars. It was cold and quiet, late at night. The Milky Way arced up, with endless detail, even though it wasn’t the summer. Despite my familiarity with the sky, I lost track of the constellations because of how many stars there were. I scanned with binoculars and picked out what I was looking for — the Triangulum Galaxy. I pulled down the binoculars, only to see the galaxy with my naked eye. Even through my telescope at home, it was a pale shadow of what I saw that night.
Thank you for sharing this (and for sharing your sketches). somitomi, a good quality pair of binoculars is an excellent entry point, and money well spent. They’re relatively inexpensive, don’t require a lot of storage space, and you will continue to use them in conjunction with any telescope equipment you buy.

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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby somitomi » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:33 pm UTC

bessie wrote:Thank you for sharing this (and for sharing your sketches). somitomi, a good quality pair of binoculars is an excellent entry point, and money well spent. They’re relatively inexpensive, don’t require a lot of storage space, and you will continue to use them in conjunction with any telescope equipment you buy.

That's cool, because I already own a fairly decent pair of binoculars. I should use them more often, but I always forget them when I happen to go hiking.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby addams » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:43 am UTC

somitomi wrote:
bessie wrote:Thank you for sharing this (and for sharing your sketches). somitomi, a good quality pair of binoculars is an excellent entry point, and money well spent. They’re relatively inexpensive, don’t require a lot of storage space, and you will continue to use them in conjunction with any telescope equipment you buy.

That's cool, because I already own a fairly decent pair of binoculars. I should use them more often, but I always forget them when I happen to go hiking.
Binoculars are very Good for Moon viewing.
I have spent many a contented evening watching the Moon.

Looking at the Milky Way with binoculars is like looking at Sand on the Beach.
There are Sooo! many Stars! With magnification there are more!

Oh,..Yes!
Thank You for the sketch.
You may have a nice Coffee Table Book, when you are done.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby Deva » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:01 am UTC

Planned to stick around for seven days. Turned into seven years (and change). Evokes mild amazement at every milestone.

Declines membership to the Pie of the Week club. Dislikes Bobcat Pie.

(Hm. Evidently posted that over ten years ago.)
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby addams » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:10 am UTC

Seven Days became Seven Years.
You must Love that place, Deva.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby Deva » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:36 am UTC

Feels some degree of welcome, at least. Cannot say that of many other places.
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby somitomi » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:44 am UTC

addams wrote:Seven Days became Seven Years.
You must Love that place, Deva.

That's not how this rather obscure song goes
Why does everything remind me of song lyrics nobody knows?
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby addams » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:12 pm UTC

That IS obscure.
I had no idea...

Oh! No!
Beware! That link!
It's an EarWorm!
Spoiler:
Seven Trumpets!..Ha!..Ha!..Ha!..
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Re: Thoughts for ships

Postby Sableagle » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:07 am UTC

Firefox has built-in screenshot capability and can save to my disk or to ..... somewhere ... for 14 days.

https://screenshots.firefox.com/OdARAU8 ... minder.org

Well, that's what Firefox told me, anyway.
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