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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby addams » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:05 pm UTC


One link leads to another.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ll-sports/
http://education.seattlepi.com/anatomy- ... -7009.html

I have not considered what a bio-regenerative feat growing and shedding antlers is, for a very long time.
There was a Fashion, once upon a time, that valued the polished Buttons of antler.

https://www.google.com/search?q=polishe ... _uk_bEM%3A
They really are beautiful.
The 'Button' can only be harvested from antlers that have been shed, naturally.
If the animal is killed, the 'Button' stays attached to the skull.

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No! It is Not naked. It is dressed in soft deerskin with 'Button' buttons.
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby FierceContinent » Sun Mar 06, 2016 3:48 pm UTC

The greatest Science Hero is almost certainly Norman Borlaug. His selectively bred crops have saved many, many people from starvation.
Just to be clear, the number of lives Norman Borlaug is credited with saving is in the BILLIONS.
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Zohar » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:50 pm UTC

There's a website somewhere that have walkthroughs to adventure games. Basically if you were stuck at a problem, it would write a general hint, then you'd have progressively more detailed hints until you get to explicit instructions, in a sort of "nested spoiler" sort of fashion. So let's say I was trying to get somewhere that was a bit far, the hints could be like:
"You probably can't get there on foot, try to think of some other way to get there"
then
"Have you seen a car that's available to pick up?"
then
"You should talk with X about their car"
Etc.

ANYWAY, my passing ponderment was you should have a system like that to e-mails to your boss. Let's say they ask you "Why are the numbers this way?" then the answer could be structured as "Because we don't have any available data for <other way>" "Because we didn't conduct the surveys in time" "Because we didn't have enough volunteers to ask around" etc. etc. That would be better than the current two options - write down a detailed e-mail that your manager might not read since it's super long, OR read a short e-mail and get into a long back-and-forth with your manager as you provide most of the details you might have originally written in the lengthy e-mail.
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Sableagle » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:01 pm UTC

An apple is a swelling from behind a flower, enclosing the flower in its base. The stalk is towards the roots and the remains of the petals are furthest from the roots.

If you bite into an apple and tear away part of the core, you may see pips already growing, sending out their first roots in the direction of the parent tree's roots.

Fair enough, but that's *up* and when you see windfall apples on the ground they're never resting on their stalks with their flowers to the sky, are they?

Now, I know apples evolved as bait to get animals to disperse the seeds, even if they're not as well adapted to this dispersal mechanism as tomatoes (whose seeds do really well after passing through the animal and washing down the river). If a bear, cow or human munches on an apple and discards the pips, then it doesn't really matter which way up they were in the apple.

Still, it seems to me that those roots ought to be growing down towards the flower so they can escape that way and the pip can bust out of a windfall apple and grow without waiting for a bear.

Maybe they just can't break out, or maybe they can by putting roots down into the apple and popping their heads out through the flower, rolling the apple a little and eventually extending roots from what's left of it into the soil. If they do that, it'd make an awesome time-lapse animated gif, wouldn't it?
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby addams » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:50 am UTC

Yes.
Yes, it would.

When you find that clip or make it;
Please, bring a copy here for us.

edit: umm. This shows the swelling of the fruit you described.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttRgMj7PdQ

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It seems to behave like an apple.
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Flumble » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:09 am UTC

...or maybe most seeds just wait for the rest of the apple to rot away. (which should take only a couple of days on forest/plains ground)

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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby poxic » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:51 pm UTC

There are videos around of other kinds of seeds germinating after being planted in various orientations. There's a "correct" orientation, but since most seeds don't naturally get a choice in how they lie, they've adapted. The root comes out the root end and curves around until it's aiming downward, and the leaf end curves upward. After a short time spent growing, it's mostly irrelevant how it started.

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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby addams » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:10 am UTC

That was very nice, Poxic.
Well done. Well done.
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Ubik » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:15 am UTC

Now I'm wondering how do plants communicate the knowledge of the orientation from the tips of the roots to the leaves and the upwards-growing part in general?

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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Angua » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:09 am UTC

I'm confused by your question. The tips of the plants grow in their respective directions with or against gravity. They don't need to communicate with the rest of the plant to do that?
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Ubik » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:27 am UTC

The story tells that plants have orientation-sensing cells at the tips of the roots. I imagine those help the roots to grow downwards, but how does the upwards-growing part sense orientation then? There could be more of those cells in other parts of the plant, but that article and Wikipedia both give a specific location for the cells.

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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Angua » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:00 pm UTC

The tips of the stem going up have negative gravitropism and positive phototropism.
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Ubik » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:17 pm UTC

Ah, thanks. Gravitropism was a good keyword, I found out hormones called auxins accumulate to the bottom parts of the plant cells, which allows more plant parts than just the roots to know their orientation.

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Postby Sableagle » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:52 pm UTC

Ah. Peas. Thought it must be peas of beans when you mentioend the shoot coming from the shoot end, because when an apple pip sprouts it puts out just a root and lifts itself up into the air, then sheds its skin to become a pair of leaves.

I had animated .gifs of this that I'd made myself but due to the weather here and the 20-minute frame interval they were very flickery, and I wanted the space on my HD and photobucket account for other things. :?

Perhaps I should make newer, better ones.
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Postby SecondTalon » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:11 pm UTC

If you got the equipment and so on, set up some lights on a timer too. That way, the lighting'll be mostly consistent and your power bill won't be absurd.

Neighbors might wonder what the hell's going on, so you could always put up some "SCIENCE IN PROGRESS" signs.
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby addams » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:28 pm UTC

Ubik wrote:Ah, thanks. Gravitropism was a good keyword, I found out hormones called auxins accumulate to the bottom parts of the plant cells, which allows more plant parts than just the roots to know their orientation.

A person could spend an entire professional lifetime with that one post.
Hormones!?

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I've seen the word 'hormone' used for nearly every inexplicable observation.

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The focus of what we know tends to get narrower and narrower;
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Sableagle » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:30 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:If you got the equipment and so on, set up some lights on a timer too. That way, the lighting'll be mostly consistent and your power bill won't be absurd.

Neighbors might wonder what the hell's going on, so you could always put up some "SCIENCE IN PROGRESS" signs.


One of the things that was interesting about it, to me, was the clear positive phototropism as the little seedlings bent over towards the window.

I think the thing to do would be to set this up and then immediately go on holiday.

Another one I'd like to do, given the facilities, is Akebia. When it runs out of "up" to climb, it starts feeling around for other places to climb or put down roots, and the vines it sends out will slowly sweep through the air until they hit something that feels climbable. If it turns out to be a tree stump not a tree they'll let go again to look for something better. I'd love to be able to show you that but I'm reluctant to leave my camera in the car park for a week.

So which is scarier, a slow zombie or a fast Akebia?
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Ubik » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:18 pm UTC

It's wild how much we know, and from how tiny and indirect clues many things have been reasoned.

(I wish that knowledge would translate even better into fixing my health issues too. Yep, hormones. Thyroid not working well enough...or is it? I actually just today lowered the dose of thyroxine medication, will be interesting to see if things get better.)

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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Echo244 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:08 pm UTC

Today's random thought is... sadness.

I just lost someone their job. Not that she could do it, but... I've been highlighting that for a while, she's had a couple of last chances, been struggling to do anything without my input, stressed, picking on other colleagues, asking me utterly basic questions and unable to get on with things in my absence... I'm her team leader and when my boss asked "Is there anything we can keep her on to do?", I... said no.

Which was true, and yet. Aaaargh.
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Neil_Boekend » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:11 pm UTC

E-hugs offered.

Sounds like you did everything you could to make her suitable for the job but sometimes it just doesn't work.
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Postby Echo244 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:14 pm UTC

*hugs*

I know. Couldn't have done any more without effectively doing her job on top of mine and covering for her all the time, and that's... just no way to live, for either of us. Doesn't make it easier.
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Postby Zohar » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:41 pm UTC

It also sounds like it may not have been an enjoyable position for her (feeling stressed and lost at work is not fun). Hopefully she finds something more suitable.
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Jplus » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:18 am UTC

Ubik wrote:Now I'm wondering how do plants communicate the knowledge of the orientation from the tips of the roots to the leaves and the upwards-growing part in general?

While your question was already answered by Angua, it is interesting to know that plants do communicate both internally and with other plants. They can communicate from the roots to the leaves and vice versa, as well as in any other direction imaginable. They have three main ways to do it.

The first way is hormones through vessels. Cells at point A put hormones in a vessel (either rootwards phloem or leavewards xylem), which takes it downstream to point B, where other cells respond to it. An example of this is auxin, which is sent from the tips of shoots through phloem. It tells shoot buds along the way to "wait". This is why a shoot will start branching out sooner if you remove the tip. In fact, this is probably the most important purpose of auxin.

The second way is hormones through air, also known as pheromones. This is a common way for branches of a plant to communicate with other branches, both of the same plant and of other plants. It has been shown that when you lit a branch of a plant, other nearby plants will show a stress response, too (yes, plants can have stress). Incidentally, this is also the reason why putting a banana in a fruit basket may help the other fruits to ripen.

The third way is direct cell-to-cell signaling. Nerve cells are famous for this because they can do it very fast and over long distances, but all cells can do it and plant cells are no exception. This is how Mimosa pudica (shy plant) folds its leaflets when you touch it, and how Venus fly traps can close their graspers at the right time.
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Dason » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:47 am UTC

So tomorrow I have to take my father in law to a doctors appointment since he can't drive and I'm the only one who is available. He is most likely going to be told he has prostate cancer. I really don't know what I should say when he finds out. Any advice?
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Re: Passing ponderments

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Dason wrote:So tomorrow I have to take my father in law to a doctors appointment since he can't drive and I'm the only one who is available. He is most likely going to be told he has prostate cancer. I really don't know what I should say when he finds out. Any advice?

umm. Ask him what he thinks?

Yes. I know;
He may very well turn the conversation on you,
by asking you what you think.

What do you think?
You are married to his child.
That person may have better guesses than we do about what you should say or Not say.
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Dason wrote:So tomorrow I have to take my father in law to a doctors appointment since he can't drive and I'm the only one who is available. He is most likely going to be told he has prostate cancer. I really don't know what I should say when he finds out. Any advice?

There's not a whole lot you can say in that situation. Mainly "Is there a plan?" and "This really, really sucks.". You can also say "Can we help make dinners from time to time?" or "We can pick up your laundry and do it," stuff like that (concrete suggestions are easier to hear and to accept than "let me know how to help", which puts some of the burden on the other person).
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby Yakk » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:25 pm UTC

Prostate cancer diagnosis does not look as bad as it sounds:
Spoiler:
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/prostatecancer/detailedguide/prostate-cancer-survival-rates

So long as the cancer remains in his prostate and nearby lymph nodes, the relative 5-year survival rate of prostate cancer is nearly 100% (ie, you are roughly as likely to die, given your diagnosis, as you would without having it).

Including all stages ("distant stage IV" appears very rare), the 10/15 year relative survival rates are 98% and 95%.

A prostate cancer diagnosis in someone relatively old sucks, in that the treatment is not-fun, but you are almost certainly going to die of something unrelated.

This is not medical advice, just googling stuff of the internet, but (in my experience) doctors suck at statistics1, so not sure where you can get good advice of this form.

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Now, his might be bad, and he might not want to talk about it. But FYI, prostate cancer is not a nasty cancer. And that many people have asymptomatic prostate cancer.
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Re: Passing ponderments

Postby elminster » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:51 pm UTC

I'd imagine it's still a pain in the ass

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Postby WilliamTheConqueror » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:56 am UTC

it has been a Very Long Time since i've been active here

i missed you guys.

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Postby addams » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:13 am UTC

WilliamTheConqueror wrote:it has been a Very Long Time since i've been active here

i missed you guys.

edit: that sounded a lot more cryptic than i was meaning, whoops

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Postby WilliamTheConqueror » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:36 am UTC

addams wrote:It is always nice to have you stop by and jump in.

How are you??
How was New York City?

Did the journey work out?
Did you 'see the sights''?

Find a thread or a PM and tell us everything that was important to you.
It is nice to have you around. You, kind'a, grew up on this Forum.

I hope you don't decide to erase every embarrassing thing you ever typed by destroying our little Forum.
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*a very large hug*!!! it's really nice to be back - and to hear from you too :^) and don't worry, i like looking back on old posts - i won't be doing any erasing any time soon.

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New York never worked out, actually. I'm not very sad about this at all - my aunt lost her business (though she's doing really well now) so I decided that without the job security I would've had, moving up there wasn't a very good idea. I started school in January at the University of Kansas (wooooo) and it's. Not awful? I've made loads of friends but the whole schooling thing is kinda difficult. I'm in the classics program right now (my latin class is The Most Interesting thing) but I miiiight change my major depending on what happens. There's a lot of things that could happen.

Speaking of things happening, I met a person on twitter in what, October? I think? And we hit it off splendidly (I can't believe I used that word) and kind of clicked pretty much right away. Well, we've been dating since November (long distance - they live in Portland and I live in, well, Kansas) and! I'm actually in their apartment right now for spring break. They're incredibly lovely and also sitting right next to me so if they see this, hi, I'm gushing about you again, sorry. Anyways - I'll be visiting in the summer for a month, and if everything goes well and we can live in the same space without being miserable, I'll be moving in (their idea too, not mine, though I'm more than okay with it obviously). It's an exciting prospect, especially since I've never been so far away from "home" before (though the apartment feels more like home than anything. Hah!) It's a big decision, but if it goes through (and quite possibly may not - things happen!) I'll be going to school up here half-time while working somewhere (I'll be job searching during our ""trial run""). It's exciting and I really hope everything goes well.

Other than that, not much has happened. My Big Spring Break Trip is the most interesting thing that's happened so far (on a side note: I love Portland??) but I'll make sure to let the general public know if anything else happens :D


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Postby bigglesworth » Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:46 pm UTC

Ponderment: would the Venga bus actually be all that fun? New York to San Fransisco is a long way.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby Fractal_Tangent » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:28 pm UTC

NEVER COMPLAINTS
eSOANEM wrote:
right now, that means it's Nazi punching time.


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Re: Random natterings

Postby addams » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:19 pm UTC

My photo is a Deer with its arms in the air.
I did not see the Deer arms in the air when I chose that photo.

Some Poster on xkcd saw the arms and posted his/her vision.
Now! I Can't UnSee It! So, So, funny. (I'm easily amused.)

The Madness has begun.
It is like Gambling!

Push the submit button and see what PoPs out.

edit: That is funny, too.
With my posts, how can you tell?
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Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
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Those that do not Know; Don't tell them.
They do terrible things to people that Tell Them.

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Re: Random natterings

Postby flicky1991 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:28 pm UTC

addams wrote:With my posts, how can you tell?

Well, I wasn't going to say anything :P

This madness is maddening. There's no place on the forum that isn't confused in some way.
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Re: Random natterings

Postby WilliamTheConqueror » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:29 pm UTC

update on my last post, i just got broken up with so i think that the mod madness will do a very good job in cheering me up.

sigh.
addams wrote:Fucking Nature.

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Re: Random natterings

Postby ObsessoMom » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:39 pm UTC

Aw. Sorry about that.

What is your preferred means of chocolate chip delivery? Cookies? Straight out of the bag?


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