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by elasto
Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:27 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

Frequently, US developments will put in some degree of infrastructure during construction. They do the whole neighborhood at one shot, usually townhouses or the like, and put in local roads, pools, handle water, sewage and power hookups. Sure, you still need government involved to approve the const...
by elasto
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:45 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

Infrastructure is necessary, sure. So, basically, government's complicit in locking off the supply? Yeah, that's unfortunate. Yeah, I regard it totally as a failure by the politicians. But that doesn't mean I think less government intervention would have worked out better. Personally, the idea of p...
by elasto
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:33 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

If allowed, I'd imagine private folks would love to build additional housing if it's so profitable. Planning permission and NIMBYism are part of the issue, yes, but houses can't be built in isolation - you need to build roads, utilities, schools, hospitals - basically whole communities - which make...
by elasto
Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

What's wrong with renting housing? Is there a counter-example we can look to of a society without renting to compare? I for one wouldn't claim there's anything wrong with renting housing in principle - indeed, there are some countries like Germany where renting not owning is the norm (or, that was ...
by elasto
Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:32 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4118
Views: 546645

Re: The Darker Side of the News

There's been 3 decades of anti-American propaganda spread by Russia and others since then. Are you absolutely sure that the public would have a similar reaction to the US liberating SK as they reacted to Kuwait? America was actually quite well-viewed under Obama. Heck, he even got awarded a Nobel P...
by elasto
Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:37 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4118
Views: 546645

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Think back to Bush1's invasion of Iraq, which was in response to Iraq's attack on another sovereign country. Support was essentially world-wide. I think support would be even more universal if NK preemptively attacked SK. It would probably still be near-unanimous even if Trump provoked it in some fa...
by elasto
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:03 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4118
Views: 546645

Re: The Darker Side of the News

I just checked previous post. He was clearly talking about what actions other nuclear armed countries would take within an hour of the exchange between USA and NK, seemingly suggesting they'd launch an attack on the US. Which seems a very odd idea, when they can just stay out of it and not get nuke...
by elasto
Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:28 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4118
Views: 546645

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Yes. What do you think would happen? They'd threaten a country that has just demonstrated itself perfectly willing to reduce another country to molten rock? Countries certainly wouldn't threaten. Attention-seeking terrorist organisations probably would though. (Yes, as low as America's reputation h...
by elasto
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

No, it's not obvious. If the government doesn't pay for it, you either don't get it at all, or you pay for it yourself. In neither case does that mean we are wealthier. I think the theory is that the market is highly efficient, and that if the market isn't providing some service, it's because that ...
by elasto
Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:52 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

I could be wrong, but I always visualised a safety net as just like what it alludes to: something to catch the falling no matter how badly they screwed up; a line below which no citizen can sink. In terms of healthcare, it would be the UK NHS: No, it's not perfect - it has waiting lists and doesn't ...
by elasto
Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:10 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

You might get a few libertarians that believe market forced are enough to handle fraud, but I think most accept regulation as necessary for that. What else do you think regulation is necessary for to provide an efficient market, elasto? Off the top of my head, I'd say that whenever rational agents ...
by elasto
Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:49 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

My answer in the case of literal rent-seeking would be to vastly increase the supply of high quality government-owned housing. Yes, there is an issue in that, logistically, there's only so much house building that can occur in any given year, but that's testament to how badly successive governments ...
by elasto
Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

The answer, of course, is that wealth does correlate with education, ambition, drive, hard work etc., at least in part. Eliminate or otherwise drive away the wealthy and you also cull a disproportionate percentage of the educated, ambitious, driven and hard-working etc. Hence it provides a short-ter...
by elasto
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:22 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

A problem easily fixed by not letting them take it with them when they leave. Especially if we're talking about real wealth, like land. Want to bail on the country, you forfeit the part of the country you supposedly owned; and we can just throw the proceeds from the sale of that back into the basic...
by elasto
Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:02 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

I could add more widgets to my example but won't that just obfuscate things? Ok, so let's add one new kind of widget: - WidgetXs are valued at $1 by the market - LabourerX charges $10 to turn WidgetXs into SuperWidgetXs, and takes 1 hour to do so - SuperWidgetXs are valued at $11.1 by the market The...
by elasto
Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:46 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

No. It means that their labor is more valuable. If you have used extremely valuable labor, and only turned a minor profit, then you have not used it very productively. Using expensive things does not mean that one is being more efficient. Very little value has been added. I'm sure I could go away a...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

"What companies can get away with" is only a problem with private property ownership. The point of libertarian socialism is that the customers and workers have control over the business and decide for themselves what they want. And what if they decide they want spying? I have given one ex...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:49 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

You misspelled it twice in a row, and I've let it slide when you've misspelled it in the past. After a while, it gets annoying. Apologies then. But chill, man! You're using a lot of emotive and aggressive language in this thread, and, for what? It's not like anything we say here will change anythin...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

Could you at least make an effort to spell my name correctly? Are you just trolling? I've replied to many of your posts with the correct spelling. Obviously it was a typo. I've had many many many debates with him; he has never agreed that any negative feature of capitalism is a problem. Perhaps you...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:15 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

elasto, you are rationalizing why all the spying is good [...] But yes, let's just assume the markets always do what's best no matter what, and just dismiss the negatives as necessary for the greater good. I don't think the negatives are necessary for the greater good. Did you miss the part where I...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:11 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

Thresh, you realise this is ucim you are talking to, right? He's more critical than most of the failings of corporatism, capitalism and the current political system. Don't assume his criticism of (your approach to) libertarianism means he's not critical of the way things operate currently. It merely...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

So, you believe there exists an all-knowing individual who is capable of making better decisions about standards for veganism than the Vegan Farming Association, as well as every other aspect of the economy? That sounds quite insane. You seem to have a really odd view of how government does and sho...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:57 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

<Accidental double post>
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:04 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

Do you read all your government regulations? So, obviously, you can't have democratic government because then you would just have to vote on every little thing. I don't have democratic government and nor do you. I have representative government. That means I vote for the person I think best capable...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:18 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

So do you read all your software licence agreements? I don't and I work in the industry. Most people are exhausted after a day in the office followed by taking care of the kids. Most don't even have the time or energy to educate themselves on basic but vital things like taking care of their finances...
by elasto
Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:54 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

In the same way, you might have an organization called the "Vegan Farming Association", in which people pay $100 to become a member so they can vote on what rules they believe are best for vegan farming. Anyone can adhere to the standards of the Vegan Farming Association, and if they say ...
by elasto
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

Just as an example, in '84, a Summitville Consolidated Mining Company started a mining operation in Colorado. They mined there for 8 years, creating a huge volume of contaminated water, some of which made its way into local rivers. In '91, the company declared bankruptcy, leaving the government wit...
by elasto
Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:22 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Worldwide CO2 shortage
Replies: 44
Views: 3969

Re: European CO2 shortage

The originally referenced article only talks about a shortage in the UK and mainland Europe. Generating CO 2 in other continents won't be very helpful. If Trump's wall is high and impervious enough to prevent Murican CO2 from drifting into Europe then colour me impressed! (Sorry, not that humorous ...
by elasto
Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:06 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

But LLC doesn't get rid of the risk, it just dumps it on the public. If your business does a billion dollars in damages, but only has assets of 100 million, that means that the public is on the hook for the remainder of the cost, even if the people who own the corporation actually have the assets t...
by elasto
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:30 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Worldwide CO2 shortage
Replies: 44
Views: 3969

Re: Worldwide CO2 shortage

gd1 wrote:Global CO2 shortage eh? Clearly we all just need to breathe harder.

Or cut down some trees. Which would probably make us breathe hard. A double win!
by elasto
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:42 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14856
Views: 2317504

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

At the heart of the European Commission’s case was the question of whether Google had abused its power ... While Google gives Android away to handset makers, those companies must effectively pre-install 11 Google apps on their devices, giving Google’s products far greater reach and more users to cl...
by elasto
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:24 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 856
Views: 27240

Re: Libertarianism

Does anyone else here listen to Joe Rogan podcasts? He does longform chats - frequently over 3 hours - with interesting people. He's thoughtful, insightful and wonderfully self-deprecating - not typically a trait associated with US celebrities and very appealing to Brit sensibilities :D Anyhow, he h...
by elasto
Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:18 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 2019: "An Apple for a Dollar"
Replies: 80
Views: 6456

Re: 2019: "An Apple for a Dollar"

For a real laugh, try this ... get 5-10 (US) $2 bills from the bank. Nice new crisp ones if possible. Then use a small amount of "glue stick" or whatever to join them at a corner in a neat stack. Next time you check out at a fast food joint, pull this unfolded outa your pocket and peel of...
by elasto
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:08 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14856
Views: 2317504

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

A London Underground station has been temporarily named after England's football manager. Southgate Tube station was rebranded Gareth Southgate station from Monday morning for 48 hours, after the squad finished fourth in the World Cup. It was England's best result since 1990 when they also lost in ...
by elasto
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:17 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14856
Views: 2317504

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

I also love* how Trump makes no attempt to hide his naked egotism - how his constant craving for approval entirely colours his view of people: Trump defended that he has praised Boris Johnson, who just this week resigned from May's cabinet in protest of her "soft" Brexit plan: "I said...
by elasto
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7190
Views: 535417

Re: Trump presidency

That makes ucim's point too: Power is a form of currency in its own right - whereby in some arenas everyone has the same amount of power (one person one vote) whereas in others a few exercise far more power. And while power and money usually correlate it does not have to be that way. It's the rich's...
by elasto
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:31 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7190
Views: 535417

Re: Trump presidency

Not that this has much to do with the rest of the discussion here, but there can be objective measurements of things that differ between people. For a trivial example, there isn't a singular objective human height, but every human has some objective height. Likewise, there may not be a singular obj...
by elasto
Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:10 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]
Replies: 1201
Views: 171662

Re: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]

Well, yes, the Remain side spelled that out loud and clear prior to the vote. Far from 'losing sovereignty' by being part of the European legislature we played a major part in shaping it, with opt-outs on most of the stuff we didn't like. We were not the red-headed step-child of Europe we were the s...
by elasto
Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:08 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4118
Views: 546645

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Dark or just absurd, you decide... PayPal wrote to a woman who had died of cancer saying her death had breached its rules and that it might take legal action as a consequence. The firm has since acknowledged that the letter was "insensitive", apologised to her widower, and begun an inquiry...
by elasto
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:54 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]
Replies: 1201
Views: 171662

Re: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]

Why do journalists imply that the UK government is going to walk back brexit? Merely knowing they opposed The brexit vote without context is misleading. What does 'walk back Brexit' even mean? Everyone involved has publicly committed to Brexit happening, it's just that noone has defined what Brexit...

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