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by elasto
Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:35 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 15017
Views: 2421417

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

The core issue is I don't think there's any clean way to define 'art' at all. Art is basically anything that is engineered to make people think and feel, and the better the art, the more people it will cause to think and feel, and the more deeply they will do so. But obviously that's a totally subje...
by elasto
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:52 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 15017
Views: 2421417

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Oh please. There is no way the art house missed the shredder in the frame. Why do you say that? The shredder had been inactive inside the frame for years on the off-chance the owner ever tried to sell it. Even if they recognised it as such, unless they were pre-warned they'd have no reason to expec...
by elasto
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:11 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8178
Views: 645985

Re: Trump presidency

Sable: As I saw it, the question that was asked was: Why it is that the Swiss hate Serbs when, say, I never heard of the English hating them especially. Did Serbs do something to Swiss nationals in particular? Or, to put it another way: Why is it the Swiss hate Serbs but not other groups that have c...
by elasto
Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:31 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8178
Views: 645985

Re: Trump presidency

Exactly. This hearing was not a court of law. It was a job interview. The standard of evidence was not 'beyond reasonable doubt'. It was 'is this the best candidate for the position?' If Kavanaugh gets approved for the job, it says less about him and everything about the priorities of the hiring com...
by elasto
Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:56 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8178
Views: 645985

Re: Trump presidency

Politicians showing open disdain for the media and for judges, and calling into question the veracity of the electoral process itself etc. certainly undermines the core pillars of liberal democracy. It's fortunate that you have so many checks and balances to ensure the peaceful transfer of power. Po...
by elasto
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:37 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Class vs class
Replies: 69
Views: 6026

Re: Class vs class

Your adblock won't work forever, and you can't control the ads they do see. Agreed. Nor can I control all the other myriad ways people will try to manipulate them - from their peers to the media to everyone else. Rather than try to wrap them in cotton wool, therefore, I don't try to insulate them f...
by elasto
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Class vs class
Replies: 69
Views: 6026

Re: Class vs class

All the algorithms are coded the same way. Whether you like a Facebook Trump post or a racist Instagram photo. They'll pair them with other related posts that you'll like. Other extremists posts. My daughters don't like the posts of strangers. Promiscuity is not a good thing in either case. Friends...
by elasto
Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:53 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Class vs class
Replies: 69
Views: 6026

Re: Class vs class

Social media companies make their money by selling your personal information, in one way or another, after making it more valuable by aggregating it. It matters little what face is put on this espionage ring In which case why ask if Facebook owns it? Why would it be better if Google or Microsoft ow...
by elasto
Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Class vs class
Replies: 69
Views: 6026

Re: Class vs class

Yeah, but what they do use... is it owned by Facebook? How does that matter particularly? Facebook is bad because people pool into echo chambers forwarding clickbait to each other. Twitter is bad for much the same reason, except with more anger and trolling. So far as I can tell, Instagram is much ...
by elasto
Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:14 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8178
Views: 645985

Re: Trump presidency

I was confused about the line that mentioned heterosexual partners also not being allowed. So the change is now, "you must be married to your partner else you can't get a Visa"? Yeah. So while heterosexual couples have the choice of turning down the post, getting married or living apart, ...
by elasto
Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:06 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4201
Views: 595953

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Far be it for me to be a Melania apologist, but, to be fair, there could be less base thought processes in play. Sometimes the partner of an asshole will protest, saying "But they don't see how he really is! He's really sweet with me!" And sometimes they will see the asshole side and feel ...
by elasto
Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:43 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Class vs class
Replies: 69
Views: 6026

Re: Class vs class

The part I hate about Facebook is how my wife reacts to it. She has a friend who's a lawyer making career, a friend in the peace corps saving the world, a friend who's currently traveling the world, and a friend who recently gave birth to twins. My wife thinks she's a failure because she hasn't acc...
by elasto
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:56 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]
Replies: 1238
Views: 193994

Re: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]

I don't see what would avoid a hard border, other than ⋅ Reverse Brexit ⋅ Separate Northern Ireland from the UK ⋅ Annex (Southern) Ireland It depends what is meant by a 'hard border' I suppose. Doesn't the EU already have some examples of pretty soft borders between fu...
by elasto
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:38 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8178
Views: 645985

Re: Trump presidency

Us Libertarian/independent sorts are pretty straightforward about our views on government. And us Centrists are pretty straightforward too. There are three major political parties in the UK and I have supported each of them at different times, and I share a lot of values in common with the SNP too....
by elasto
Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:06 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is adult media inherently better than child media?
Replies: 55
Views: 4602

Re: Is adult media inherently better than child media?

Wait. I think the penny has dropped for me. Some people are interpreting the OP like this: "Is media designed for adult consumption of more intrinsic worth than media designed for child consumption?" Well, obviously not. That'd be like saying "Is media designed for male consumption of...
by elasto
Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:07 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is adult media inherently better than child media?
Replies: 55
Views: 4602

Re: Is adult media inherently better than child media?

Child-media can explore topics that adult-media cannot. How so? If we define adult-media as something that would be rated as 18+, then please tell me a topic that an 18+ rated movie couldn't cover. TGH suggests the topic of Santa Claus, but why couldn't an 18+ rated movie have Santa Claus in? Simil...
by elasto
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:07 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is adult media inherently better than child media?
Replies: 55
Views: 4602

Re: Is adult media inherently better than child media?

You said children's media can't explore the same topics as adult media, and therefore can't have the same amount of intellectual depth. That's the point I addressed; that intellectual depth isn't a scalar value, and there are themes you can explore in children's media that you can't explore in adul...
by elasto
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is adult media inherently better than child media?
Replies: 55
Views: 4602

Re: Is adult media inherently better than child media?

obviously adult media can cover some different topics than child media, but that doesn't inherently follow that that makes it better. I don't think we're disagreeing on anything other than the definition of 'better'. I consider a body of work that fully explores monochrome and colour as better than...
by elasto
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:33 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is adult media inherently better than child media?
Replies: 55
Views: 4602

Re: Is adult media inherently better than child media?

Wait, are you saying you've never seen an afterschool special about racism, sexual assault, or drugs? Of course I have. They are invariably extremely shallow - covering nothing of the complexity of, say, institutional racism, if drunken sex crosses the line into being non-consensual, or whether dru...
by elasto
Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:29 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is adult media inherently better than child media?
Replies: 55
Views: 4602

Re: Is adult media inherently better than child media?

Censorship laws and age rating are a formal system society uses to define what is and is not appropriate for kids. I just wanted to emphasise that sex, violence, bad language etc. are only some of the reasons media might be classified as not for kids. Much of the remainder is why adult media is, in...
by elasto
Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is adult media inherently better than child media?
Replies: 55
Views: 4602

Re: Is adult media inherently better than child media?

I am pretty sure that aesthetic value is entertainment value, unless you have some really odd theory of aesthetics you want to offer. I would say that something can be aesthetic without being entertaining (eg. a painting), and something can be entertaining without having much in the way of aestheti...
by elasto
Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is adult media inherently better than child media?
Replies: 55
Views: 4602

Re: Is adult media inherently better than child media?

Does anyone here genuinely think adult media is inherently better than children's media? Well... yeah. Take Black Mirror for example. Genuinely thought provoking, very little sex and violence, but I'd be very selective as to which episodes to show my kids. Go back a bit and you have stuff like The ...
by elasto
Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Is adult media inherently better than child media?
Replies: 55
Views: 4602

Re: Is adult media inherently better than child media?

I try to have a movie night with my kids every so often. Since they are pre-teens I like to watch a movie once through myself before I show it to them. Sure, crass sex and violence can disqualify a movie, but not because I consider sex and violence bad , but simply because I think my children would ...
by elasto
Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:17 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Class vs class
Replies: 69
Views: 6026

Re: Class vs class

Ultimately, not all cultural standards are of equal value. The guy who derives pleasure from "rolling coal" next to your open window and laughing at your annoyance is not quite the same as someone who derives pleasure from reading a good book. The difference goes beyond one's interests. W...
by elasto
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:31 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Class vs class
Replies: 69
Views: 6026

Re: Class vs class

I don't quite get your hostility, based on the examples you give. I understand why you personally might not get along with bragging, loudmouths. But I don't understand why that makes the described people so bad, beyond a difference in tastes. Agreed. It does read a lot like your '2-fold' theory. Ju...
by elasto
Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Class vs class
Replies: 69
Views: 6026

Re: Class vs class

The term I'm familiar with there is 'nouveau riche' - the idea that one can obtain wealth but not class. I think that cuts both ways though: One can be born into wealth but be less 'classy' than someone who is poor. Indeed, being born into wealth is frequently associated with being an arrogant and b...
by elasto
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:18 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Class vs class
Replies: 69
Views: 6026

Re: Class vs class

I can't really think of an adjective to put before the word 'class' to describe the division you seek. I think classy works fine on its own though, as you can carry poverty and wealth alike with an air of class. The kind of person on the "low" end of this type of "class" (or what...
by elasto
Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:15 pm UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: Half full or half empty?
Replies: 41
Views: 4344

Re: Half full or half empty?

But what if it's just that the second bucket is being spun at such speed that the centrifugal force is compressing twice the amount of mercury into half the volume..? Basically we're just continuing your original post though - proving its correctness :D Namely that there are multiple definitions of ...
by elasto
Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:07 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8178
Views: 645985

Re: Trump presidency

That's what elections are for , right? Voters can decide that a certain politician or party is inflexible and destructive. Or they can look at the very same actions and consider them a spirited pursuit of worthwhile goals. That takes a lot of the pain out of the prisoners dilemma - overly uncoopera...
by elasto
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:03 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8178
Views: 645985

Re: Trump presidency

Right. Which is why it's so important that politicians learn how to lose with grace rather than pursue victory at any cost -- because the consequence of doing whatever it takes to win is that you create an environment where those sort of people are the only ones who can win. It's a prisoners' dilem...
by elasto
Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6485
Views: 992559

Re: Police misbehavior thread

I agree that apps and social media provide doses of stimulation/oblivion on demand in amounts not far off what the milder drugs achieve, but I think this generation is also better educated than ever before - again, thanks largely to the internet. I don't have any data for this but I'd imagine this g...
by elasto
Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:37 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6485
Views: 992559

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Hold your horses there boy!

If the number of no-knocks has gone up and drug use has gone down, maybe more no-knocks would drop drug use even further!

Free no-knocks for all! Yay!!
by elasto
Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:17 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Vegetarianism
Replies: 45
Views: 5316

Re: Vegetarianism

In a world in which we have all the knowledge we need to make the informed decisions, maybe. In real world, it's not like that. But it is. In the UK alone, our pet cats are estimated to kill around a hundred million sentient creatures a year. Under your model where humans have an ethical obligation...
by elasto
Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:54 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Vegetarianism
Replies: 45
Views: 5316

Re: Vegetarianism

Well considering the fact the OP didn't even make a distinction between veganism and vegetarianism I'm not sure we should even talk about it in this thread. I think it's worth discussing because it's a disproof of their argument via taking it to its logical conclusion. Their argument against meat-e...
by elasto
Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Vegetarianism
Replies: 45
Views: 5316

Re: Vegetarianism

Maybe some people are certain of that. Probably just vegans though. (I'm just running forwards the same 'absolutist' chain of logic: If you think that vegetarianism is more ethical than meat-eating on the basis of minimising animal suffering, then you should conclude that veganism is more ethical t...
by elasto
Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Vegetarianism
Replies: 45
Views: 5316

Re: Vegetarianism

That presumes that we all agree that eating any kind of meat is unethical. Most people take the opposite view. (They just are wilfully ignorant of the cruelty involved). For better or worse we live in a democracy. Any government that tried to enforce that eating meat is unethical by punitive taxatio...
by elasto
Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:03 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Vegetarianism
Replies: 45
Views: 5316

Re: Vegetarianism

Isn't crystalizing the collective will of the people via government more effective then encouraging people? That's what happens right now. The collective will of the people is currently that meat is fine. Government enforcement of ethics is tricky. Whose ethics do we enforce when it comes to diet? ...
by elasto
Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:01 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Vegetarianism
Replies: 45
Views: 5316

Re: Vegetarianism

You do realize we need to harvest many times more plants to feed all those farmed animals than to only feed humans? I wrote about that "issue" in the blog-post. I am not sure why are people bringing this up, because I think they already know the answer. I don't think you'll find many disa...
by elasto
Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:14 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Vegetarianism
Replies: 45
Views: 5316

Re: Vegetarianism

If you ask me why, I don't really know how to give a simple answer, because I don't understand the other side of the story. I don't understand how could somebody, who has thought about the issue at all, think it's moral to eat meat. I don't really have a dog in this fight but an example of a meat-e...
by elasto
Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:22 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]
Replies: 1238
Views: 193994

Re: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]

Damn! I managed to edit just when you posted again. As I've said, xenophobia isn't a precision instrument; all immigrants are going to get the blame for the actions of a few. Yeah - except that these weren't immigrants. They were run of the mill UK-born criminals. Anyhow. Thanks for bringing the det...

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