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by elasto
Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrists
Replies: 240
Views: 83047

Re: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrist

The operative question here is, does it make a difference? Does what make a difference? Yes, having my government issue fines when a corporation abuses my data makes a huge difference to if my government had no interest. It's the difference between a company not doing it or doing it secretly and ri...
by elasto
Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:02 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrists
Replies: 240
Views: 83047

Re: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrist

You can ask Google et. al. not to mine your data and, in most Western countries, they will be heavily fined if they ignore your wishes.

Can you ask the US government not to mine your data?
by elasto
Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:22 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Hate Speech vs Freedom of Speech on Facebook
Replies: 75
Views: 21710

Re: Hate Speech vs Freedom of Speech on Facebook

Technically speaking, an argument could be made that the first amendment actually allows for Facebook to regulate it's content as it pleases.(freedom of press) In some ways it's entangled with the issue of whether a platform is to be held responsible for content its users post. eg. - If someone pos...
by elasto
Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:03 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A moral thought experiment (St Matthew's Island Reindeer)
Replies: 60
Views: 21310

Re: A moral thought experiment (St Matthew's Island Reindeer

So you know part of the story. But the question is of a different sort. I feel something when my wife hugs me. A complex emotional response. It calls associations that are more complex than simply happy. But what the OP wishes to investigate is the event over time. Is the sum total of the experienc...
by elasto
Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:37 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: A moral thought experiment (St Matthew's Island Reindeer)
Replies: 60
Views: 21310

Re: A moral thought experiment (St Matthew's Island Reindeer

The questions devolves to what can we do to increase the happiness of anyone or thing. It assumes that we understand happiness. We don't. To a first approximation we certainly do. I can be pretty sure my dog is happy almost all the time from the way it wags its tail and sleeps peacefully on my lap....
by elasto
Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:29 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 211049

Re: Citizen's Wage

Who buys it and how do they pay for it? Huh? Money isn't banned or anything. People still receive their citizen's wage, so they can still buy stuff. Wikipedia is free and is funded by donations. Google is free and funded by advertising. Both models are valid going forwards, as is a Kickstarter mode...
by elasto
Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:14 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 211049

Re: Citizen's Wage

What's their incentive for creating it in the first place? Jose The fact they'll still be incredibly rich? You think that people will think 'oh, if I create this Teacher software, at best I'll only end up with a hundred million in the bank. Unless I get forty billion out of it it's not worth it. I'...
by elasto
Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:57 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrists
Replies: 240
Views: 83047

Re: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrist

The US government should act in the best interest of the people of the United States, how does giving privileges to foreign nationals benefit America or American citizens? That's a valid point of view, but then the US government shouldn't try to pretend to believe in any universality of human right...
by elasto
Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 211049

Re: Citizen's Wage

Manufacturing hasn't really fled our shores. We still produce a huge quantity of stuff. We simply lack the quantity of manufacturing jobs. Sure, but this thread is about a Citizen's Wage, and so it's quantity of jobs that is relevant, not the fact that each worker is far more productive than ever. ...
by elasto
Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:11 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrists
Replies: 240
Views: 83047

Re: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrist

Right, except the place the want to search is your phone records. So they did. Sure, no issue with that, assuming they have a warrant naming your phone number (and not just a warrant allowing all the phone numbers and email addresses in the world to be searched). In this instance the place wished t...
by elasto
Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:03 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrists
Replies: 240
Views: 83047

Re: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrist

"Our goal is to stop folks from doing us harm and if every step that we're taking to try and prevent a terrorist act is on the front page of the newspapers or on television then presumably the people who are trying to do us harm are going to be able to get around our preventive measures,"...
by elasto
Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:35 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrists
Replies: 240
Views: 83047

Re: PRISM: NSA access to big tech companies because trrrrist

How do you handle communication from foreign entities with US based, or at least routed through the US, entities? That's always been kind of a tricky question to solve. International channels to ask for warrants would be a nightmare and have never been tried. As far as I know jurisdiction for thing...
by elasto
Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:23 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: sabotage of space
Replies: 17
Views: 5797

Re: sabotage of space

Space is big, but, yes, given how even a fleck of paint can do damage to an orbiting satellite due to the high speeds involved, it would certainly be possibly to generate enough detritus to make the half-life of satellites unacceptably low. More than half a century of sending objects into space has ...
by elasto
Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:04 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Canadian Court rules on Unconsciousness and Consent
Replies: 38
Views: 8847

Re: Canadian Court rules on Unconsciousness and Consent

Роберт wrote:Why is sex so different from other stuff?


Because THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!1 or something.

It's bizarre in the same way that pictures of breastfeeding mothers are banned from facebook but pictures of beheadings are not...
by elasto
Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 211049

Re: Citizen's Wage

This quote is about resource depletion, but general automation would appear to me to act in a similar way. For instance the low hanging fruit in plastic forming is injection molding machines and the like. They are what they are. The rest of the process is much harder to automate and therefore is mu...
by elasto
Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:10 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 211049

Re: Citizen's Wage

The scarce resource is poor people. We're nowhere near approaching that limit. Most of China still lives on less than five dollars a day, and by the time that gets 'used up', advances in automation and AI will mean robots working for incredibly low 'wages' in today's terms. By necessity, once we re...
by elasto
Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:57 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 211049

Re: Citizen's Wage

In practice, people will have an extremely strong incentive to seek employment when on a citizen's wage simply because of the 'disposable income' factor. Let's assume the CW is set at $20k as mentioned in this thread - which is roughly $400/week. And let's assume that someone has $50/week of disposa...
by elasto
Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:55 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Hate Speech vs Freedom of Speech on Facebook
Replies: 75
Views: 21710

Re: Hate Speech vs Freedom of Speech on Facebook

I agree it's quite extreme that he got convicted for that, but he only got some hours of community service and a small fine. And that's pretty much a worst-case example. 99.999% of the time people will be hateful, ignorant trolls and it'll fly right under the radar. He just got unlucky really. Anti ...
by elasto
Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:52 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 211049

Re: Citizen's Wage

To try to put it in a nutshell, it's not that it's a good thing that people could take a citizen's wage and just sit on their ass all day playing XBox - it's just a necessary evil so that others can take a citizen's wage and go learn a new trade, or look after a sick relative, or any of a million wo...
by elasto
Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:26 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: AU Woman raped in Emirates, Jailed for Reporting
Replies: 93
Views: 24043

Re: AU Woman raped in Emirates, Jailed for Reporting

What I find odd about the story, assuming it's true, is the weak reaction from the Australian government. One would think they'd be protesting and intervening more strongly.

Perhaps they did though and the UK/US media didn't cover it due to how parochial we can be.
by elasto
Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:42 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 211049

Re: Citizen's Wage

Yup. - Administrative savings will be truly enormous - probably many billions. Even more so with all the private programs eliminated who all take their slice of the profits - At a stroke all 'welfare cliffs' will be eliminated: Never again will someone be in a situation where they are worse off gett...
by elasto
Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:52 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 211049

Re: Citizen's Wage

So, apart from the small minority that really enjoys productive endeavors (farming, coding that spreadsheet, skinning that chicken, etc) more than anything else, and the minority talented enough to make a lot more money than the Citizen's wage, what drives people to produce? A Citizen's wage means ...
by elasto
Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:16 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: Bones
Replies: 10
Views: 5635

Re: Bones

by elasto
Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:53 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Voting system - based on matching algorithm
Replies: 47
Views: 17991

Re: Voting system - based on matching algorithm

Obviously a necessary first step in this is making any kind of lobbying that is actually just bribery illegal and having that ruthlessly enforced. By whom? Using what criteria? The people who normally enforce the laws: The police and the judiciary. The criteria would depend on exactly how we reform...
by elasto
Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:28 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 211049

Re: Citizen's Wage

No; I don't believe a fundamental goal of humanity should be to alleviate people of the burden of having to do something with themselves. You can argue what level of 'something' is all you want, but I don't think the purpose of progress is to let you sit on your ass and do nothing. False dichotomy....
by elasto
Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Citizen's Wage
Replies: 942
Views: 211049

Re: Citizen's Wage

One question I have for this is : why should my income subsidize those who choose not to work? Because if/when you chose not to work - because you got injured, or wanted to have a long honeymoon with your new spouse, or wanted to set up a new business, or wanted to spend some time in further educat...
by elasto
Fri May 31, 2013 3:47 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Best setup for a pure barter market
Replies: 40
Views: 14795

Re: Best setup for a pure barter market

I am with Tyndwyr on this. Consider 2 nicely liquid goods. Say, gasoline and sugar. There will a fairly sharply defined market clearing exchange rate for such goods. For example: everyone who values sugar at more than 2.3 kilos per liter of gasoline will quickly be matched for trades that gives the...
by elasto
Fri May 31, 2013 9:46 am UTC
Forum: Fictional Science
Topic: FTL in my book
Replies: 63
Views: 23534

Re: FTL in my book

some nice prose there :)
by elasto
Fri May 31, 2013 8:46 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Gun Control
Replies: 2237
Views: 348249

Re: Gun Control

Also, it's not out of context. Those are the complete posts. That is the extent of the context. It's a direct question and a direct answer as to how far governments monopoly on force should extend. When you accept that a government can legitimately shove people into camps based on race or religion,...
by elasto
Thu May 30, 2013 4:52 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Privatising City Government?
Replies: 44
Views: 7156

Re: Privatising City Government?

How is long-term investment rewarded under that model? It takes money directly out of peoples' pockets to invest in things that won't pay off until 5-10 years down the line (when they'll most likely be in another job - either internally or externally) We really don't need more disincentives for midd...
by elasto
Thu May 30, 2013 3:05 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: US Fast Food Strikes
Replies: 327
Views: 82531

Re: US Fast Food Strikes

Political trends show the state ever expanding in size while technological trends show that people are able to claim ever more liberty in spite of legal barriers to doing so. It is an interesting combination. At some point the state will be all-encompassing yet wholly irrelevant. Really? I see glob...
by elasto
Thu May 30, 2013 11:02 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Voting system - based on matching algorithm
Replies: 47
Views: 17991

Re: Voting system - based on matching algorithm

So how would these random people get anything done? You'll get a bunch of people who think it's an absolute blast to show up every day for 4 years, tick 'yes' to whatever bill a lobbyist puts on the floor, and go home with $20 million. Why would they do that any more than people summoned for jury d...
by elasto
Mon May 27, 2013 8:22 am UTC
Forum: Logic Puzzles
Topic: Interest rate conundrum ..........
Replies: 2
Views: 2880

Re: Interest rate conundrum ..........

If I needed to solve something like this I'd just fire up a Google Docs spreadsheet. Have any experience with that or Excel etc?
by elasto
Sun May 26, 2013 2:35 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Transitional forms of society
Replies: 3
Views: 3634

Re: Transitional forms of society

Well, we have two recent examples of countries trying to peacefully transition, taking almost polar opposite approaches. China is undergoing a successful transition from a very centralised command economy to a pretty capitalist one, but they are seeking a multi-decade approach, trying to keep societ...
by elasto
Sun May 26, 2013 1:30 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Woman Sues NBA player For Alleged Rape (Trigger Warning)
Replies: 106
Views: 19813

Re: Woman Sues NBA player For Alleged Rape (Trigger Warning)

Going back into the same example, you can believe that OJ Simpson did kill his ex-wife and her fiancee, but I'm sure there has to be some law that prevents you to go up to him and say "You killed your ex-wife, you bloody murderer!" Libel/slander would be a civil matter - and OJ was convic...
by elasto
Sun May 26, 2013 2:44 am UTC
Forum: Fictional Science
Topic: Me, Myself, and I
Replies: 55
Views: 16544

Re: Me, Myself, and I

There's no such thing as being "self-aware while being transferred around". These aren't magical souls, they're patterns of digital data which form a conscious mind while being run in the brain emulation program. What exactly do you think happens when a program is run? You think it happen...
by elasto
Sat May 25, 2013 9:06 am UTC
Forum: Mathematics
Topic: Nice proof of Euclid's Lemma?
Replies: 26
Views: 10077

Re: Nice proof of Euclid's Lemma?

Also, you're dividing both sides by y and Qaanol seems to want a proof without using division.
by elasto
Sat May 25, 2013 8:20 am UTC
Forum: Fictional Science
Topic: Me, Myself, and I
Replies: 55
Views: 16544

Re: Me, Myself, and I

I'm arguing that there is no slippery slope - the two instances (original and copy) are two different instances the moment the second one is created. No changes, significant or otherwise, change this. I think the key to the disagreement lies in the understanding of type/token . If you make a copy o...
by elasto
Sat May 25, 2013 8:11 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: Best proofs of evolution
Replies: 392
Views: 51136

Re: Best proofs of evolution

Sure, but that argument is unlikely to be acceptable to a person who's already certain that undirected natural selection cannot be a constructive process. Why would they be certain of that when many current examples of undirected natural selection being constructive are available - eg. undirected n...
by elasto
Sat May 25, 2013 5:23 am UTC
Forum: Science
Topic: Best proofs of evolution
Replies: 392
Views: 51136

Re: Best proofs of evolution

Just a guess, but I'd say they'd consider those variations to be effectively random over longer time periods - fluctuations this way or that, but without a real cumulative effect. But why would they think that? Natural selection is a proven thing - eg. these beetles heavily outcompeting beetles who...

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