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by elasto
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:58 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

The starbucks manager and the cops were both wrong here and it's tiring but unsurprising to me that so many people defend what happened as "well that's just how it had to be." the world we live in, the world y'all are actively defending with that rationale, is a world where for the crime ...
by elasto
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:56 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Wait, does the business have to prove they were justified, or does the plaintiff have to prove the business was discriminatory? IANAL but a quick googling suggests to me it would be dealt with in the civil courts not the criminal, so it would be on the basis of 'on the balance of probabilities'. If...
by elasto
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:15 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Actually, there is a huge difference between a private residence and a business that is open to the public. For example, a private residence has a right to deny entry to anyone, whereas a public business does not. A public business has to be able to justify their denial of entry, sure, but that's n...
by elasto
Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:58 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

The manager who called the police has now 'left the company', and all 8,000 Starbucks branches in the US are going to close for an afternoon for 'racial bias training'. Zohar, I agree that this was a 'shitty situation period', but not all shitty situations can be prevented, sometimes they can only b...
by elasto
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:22 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

So how do you think the police should be dealing with people on private property without permission? Yes, they should be escorted out and let go, but it sounds like the police tried to do that and the pair refused (rightly believing that the staff should rescind their refusal to grant permission, an...
by elasto
Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:59 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

"It's hard to be critical of the police" in this case means you basically are OK with people having to spend the night in jail for no reason other than their blackness. Like, if everything went "by the book", that's an acceptable and reasonable result? It means I'm ok with peopl...
by elasto
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:31 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Did they really need to use force and handcuffs? Wouldn't they be able to tell the "intruders" that "now you get out" (and escalate if that does not happen)? I imagine that's exactly what did happen, and the pair would have repeated that they were simply waiting for someone and ...
by elasto
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:05 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

This isn't strictly a case of police misbehaviour, but it does point to the systemic racism that black people face. Coffee chain Starbucks has apologised after two black men were arrested while waiting for a friend at one of their shops in the US city of Philadelphia. Amateur video shows police plac...
by elasto
Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:12 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

Yeah, to be fair they usually earn less during their political career than before it - low government salary, investments go into blind trusts etc. - but earning potential goes through the roof afterwards, as mentioned.
by elasto
Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:48 pm UTC
Forum: School
Topic: Justifying the Death Penelty
Replies: 54
Views: 9742

Re: Justifying the Death Penelty

Prisoners still have the right to free speech, which means that Hitler could continue to lead the NAZI party from his jail cell Remember Gitmo? Remember extraordinary rendition? It's absolutely not a given that someone in the leadership of an organisation would retain the ability to speak to follow...
by elasto
Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:01 am UTC
Forum: School
Topic: Justifying the Death Penelty
Replies: 54
Views: 9742

Re: Justifying the Death Penelty

An argument could be made that 'an eye for an eye' is fair and so therefore is 'a life for a life'. An argument could be made that state-sanctioned punishments act as a deterrent and therefore are for the greater good, in a 'the ends justify the means' way; And that since losing your life is the ult...
by elasto
Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:08 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4190
Views: 577258

Re: The Darker Side of the News

NFL player Trevor Davis has been charged with making "criminal threats" after joking about explosives at airport security in Los Angeles. "Trevor Davis checked in at the Hawaiian Airlines ticket counter and was asked the usual questions about whether he was carrying any aerosol cans,...
by elasto
Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:18 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Again, that's a somewhat weird situation; It's unlikely any such compromise could come to pass. Having said that, drug laws are just a mess as you suggest - contrast penalties for cocaine vs crack, or, until pretty recently, harsh penalties for heroin vs opioid prescriptions given a virtual free pas...
by elasto
Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:55 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

It is entirely plausible to have policies that adversely affect certain ethnicities while reducing death rates *cough*druglaws*cough*, but that's not the point. Do drug laws reduce death rates? All the evidence I've seen says 'harm-reduction strategies' like prescribing addicts their drug of choice...
by elasto
Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:48 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4190
Views: 577258

Re: The Darker Side of the News

I'm not convinced that mass shootings are about "15 minutes of fame". Most often these incidents result in the death of the perpetrator. I'm more of the opinion that it's a form of suicide while screaming "you didn't help me". Most of these incidents after the fact (20-20 hindsi...
by elasto
Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:55 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

That seems a somewhat implausible trichotomy though: Any program that sought to reduce deaths across the board would be unlikely to cause an increase in the absolute number (as opposed to ratio) of black deaths.
by elasto
Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:39 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14990
Views: 2381468

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Can't say I disagree with that. The US is a mass of contradictions in so many ways. A serious distrust of government oversight and fierce defence of personal autonomy and right to free speech - and yet seemingly total apathy when it comes to private organisations restricting the personal liberty of ...
by elasto
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:10 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

Ultimately though, the idea's that if everyone can freely express ideas, and the good ideas beat out the bad ones in the long run. If you don't believe that will happen, you might as well give up on democracy as a principle. I don't think it's quite that black and white. One can believe in free mar...
by elasto
Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:59 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4190
Views: 577258

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Survivors of the deadly school shooting in Florida have resisted new security rules that ban all but clear backpacks at their school. Students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High in Parkland, adorned their bags with signs, badges and slogans protesting against the measures. Seventeen people were kille...
by elasto
Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

Agreed. The thing is, even if low-skill immigration could be halted (which it can't be, at least in any meaningful way), the same issue is going to raise its head when robotics and AI really take off in a decade or three. The answer, then as now, will be exactly as you say: taxpayer-funded education...
by elasto
Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:09 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

Nor are most immigrants who risk their lives trekking across the desert.
by elasto
Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:39 pm UTC
Forum: Individual XKCD Comic Threads
Topic: 1971: "Personal Data"
Replies: 82
Views: 12404

Re: 1971: "Personal Data"

I don't think you need anything like as radical a solution as banning renting. You simply need to have a significant proportion of the country's housing stock in public ownership, which could be achieved by house builders handing over a proportion of newly built houses in lieu of paying tax. In addi...
by elasto
Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:28 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

by elasto
Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:34 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4190
Views: 577258

Re: The Darker Side of the News

A Texas judge has sentenced a woman to five years in prison after she voted in the 2016 election despite having been convicted of a serious crime. Crystal Mason, 43, was found guilty of tax fraud in 2011, and was free on probation when she cast her ballot. She failed to convince the judge she did n...
by elasto
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:51 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

While true, it ignores the ingenuity of Chinese netizens: (Spoilered for length and OT'ness) After Liu Xiaobo’s death on July 13, Chinese censors knew they had to work quickly. After all, Liu had been a prominent activist for democracy while alive, an integral figure in the Tiananmen Square protests...
by elasto
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:10 pm UTC
Forum: Mathematics
Topic: My take on Godel's incompleteness theorems
Replies: 42
Views: 8923

Re: My take on Godel's incompleteness theorems

Eebster didn't say objectively true, but objectively real. And, as I say, with caveats I can agree with 'objectively true' but not 'objectively real'. And Platonists haven't left math for religion, so much as for philosophy If Platonists are arguing over objective truth, then, yes, that's philosoph...
by elasto
Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:39 pm UTC
Forum: Mathematics
Topic: My take on Godel's incompleteness theorems
Replies: 42
Views: 8923

Re: My take on Godel's incompleteness theorems

Mathematical Platonists are definitely a minority, but yes, they do claim mathematical objects are objectively real things in some sense. I don't really get it, personally. As I say, I can see how a mathematical theorem can be objectively true in the sense that any rational being anywhere would com...
by elasto
Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:18 am UTC
Forum: Mathematics
Topic: My take on Godel's incompleteness theorems
Replies: 42
Views: 8923

Re: My take on Godel's incompleteness theorems

Is there a way at all for man to be objective but away from empirical experience altogether? I seem to have in my stock knowledge that Plato is the patron saint of mathematicians in that he holds there is a world that is not founded ultimately on man's experience of the world, and it is accessed wi...
by elasto
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:43 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

China doesn't have free speech and so they can squish all propaganda campaigns like ants. Hell, many people in China aren't aware of Tiananmen Square. Yes and no. Attempting to suppress ideologies is counterproductive when done in the West; it is no less counterproductive when done in China. In eve...
by elasto
Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:36 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14990
Views: 2381468

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Watch a sunset while laying on your belly. As soon as the last rays of the sun disappear from your view, quickly stand up. If the Earth is round, this slight change in viewing angle should be enough to let you see the tiniest little sliver of the sun. Wouldn't the same thing be observed if the eart...
by elasto
Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:38 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

I think it's more a case of 'allies don't do it to each other' than 'non-democracies being worse offenders than democracies'. Does Russia 'spend fortunes on conspiracy propaganda in order to sow dissent and undermine the central governments legitimacy' inside China? Not that I'm aware of. I think it...
by elasto
Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:53 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

Not helping things is that non-democracies and pseudi-democracies spend fortunes on conspiracy propaganda in order to sow dissent and undermine the central governments legitimacy, and this makes it easier for the nutjobs to take root.

To be fair, fully-fledged democracies do this too.
by elasto
Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:13 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

The situation you describe is one of the great dilemmas of the modern age - and there's no real consensus even within the West on how to deal with it. The question is: For ideologies that are damaging to liberal democracy itself, will allowing free expression cause the ideology to spread quicker, or...
by elasto
Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:03 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6473
Views: 969326

Re: Police misbehavior thread

Cops frequently have hostile interactions as a normal and expected part of their jobs, and that would tend to make anybody more hostile in response, so how can we make sure that the people entrusted with deadly force don't end up responding like that, but better than just anybody would? That doesn'...
by elasto
Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:35 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14990
Views: 2381468

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Go ahead and try to show the earth is round. It's harder than it looks, especially if you limit yourself to only the things and knowledge you personally can do or demonstrate (no space photos, for example). It's an interesting challenge. It's enough for me that a conspiracy would be completely impo...
by elasto
Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:47 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: In other news... (humorous news items)
Replies: 14990
Views: 2381468

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

I always assumed modern flat-earthers were just a novel form of trolling - an absurd belief expressed sincerely simply to irritate. I got much less sure of that when I saw just how much they put their money where their mouth is. (I still cling onto the hope that most are trolls knowingly exploiting ...
by elasto
Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:48 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

Yup, I'm sure it's entirely coincidental that Trump taunted him repeatedly over his pension and then he was fired minutes before the end of Friday on his final week of work.

Forgive me if I don't give Trump the benefit of the doubt here.
by elasto
Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:26 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

It's the formal charge in the FBI. The FBI has an affirmative duty to provide information to investigators. Firing for it is indeed standard. 1) It may be a formal charge but I am assuming it has essentially been handwritten by Trump - either directly or by virtue of the intense politicisation of t...
by elasto
Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future
Replies: 1853
Views: 319717

Re: The Thread To Remind Me We're Living In The Future

Finnish start-up Varjo has developed a prototype virtual reality (VR) headset that its makers claim gives an image 50 times sharper than most other headsets currently on the market. When I tested the prototype - looking round the virtual cockpit of a passenger plane - the level of detail in the sma...
by elasto
Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:19 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 7962
Views: 603783

Re: Trump presidency

The high level resignations continue to pile on: US President Donald Trump's lead lawyer for the special counsel investigation into Russia interference in the 2016 election has resigned, US media report. John Dowd is reported to have concluded that Mr Trump was increasingly ignoring his advice. Othe...

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