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by Malice
Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:13 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: SOPA talk, yo.
Replies: 620
Views: 85680

Re: SOPA talk, yo.

There are rules that are in place for how one may obtain the fruits of another's labor. I happen to think that drawing the line between the creator's interests and the public's interests at the creator's exclusive right to make copies , with the public's right to do as they wish otherwise with them...
by Malice
Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:23 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: SOPA talk, yo.
Replies: 620
Views: 85680

Re: SOPA talk, yo.

Eh, fair enough. I was trying to think through analogy, which was a mistake. Anyway, how about that SOPA? >> Apparently there's a way now to simply bypass SOPA entirely, assuming it gets passed. The plugin acts as an alternate DNS for sites known to be blocked, and new sites can be added via crowdso...
by Malice
Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:00 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: SOPA talk, yo.
Replies: 620
Views: 85680

Re: SOPA talk, yo.

I wouldn't want someone gathering up every forum post I ever made and publishing a book full of them, either. Or schoolteachers publishing their students' work without permission. Or the photo developer thinking they can sell calendars with the pictures I've taken just because they temporarily had ...
by Malice
Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:11 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: SOPA talk, yo.
Replies: 620
Views: 85680

Re: SOPA talk, yo.

Netflix purchases streaming rights from content providers, at a price much, much higher than "so we bought a DVD and put it on the internet", negotiated by both parties to ensure that the provider feels it is worth it to them to give the content. Right, but my point is more that for 7.99 ...
by Malice
Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:18 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boycott
Replies: 116
Views: 11920

Re: Girl Scouts Admit Trans Girls--Homophobe calls for Boyco

I was not actually expecting to rage at people being stupid and mean (shouldn't I be used to it by now?) but the notion of somebody trying to stop a young transgendered girl from having the experience of Girl Scouts had me seething for a minute. I think the concept is so alien to the wholesomeness t...
by Malice
Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:18 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: SOPA talk, yo.
Replies: 620
Views: 85680

Re: SOPA talk, yo.

Sadly, at least in my library, that isn't the case. If a book is borrowable as an e-book, only one copy at a time can be actively borrowed. There is a time limit on how long you can read the digital copy, so you also can't forget to return it on time. Once your time is up, the next person who reque...
by Malice
Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:01 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: SOPA talk, yo.
Replies: 620
Views: 85680

Re: SOPA talk, yo.

Judging by your emphasis, the difference between those things has to do with the number of copies. So what's the acceptable number? The number legitimately purchased, of course. :p Five million people making one duplicate is still five million extra copies. Though given the state of technology, one...
by Malice
Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:11 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Smaller US military (yay!)
Replies: 114
Views: 11449

Re: Smaller US military (yay!)

Ghostbear wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:No, that city doesn't exist. You've never heard of it, let alone been there or met anyone from there. Anyone claiming to be from there is lying.

Did I miss a joke here?


Yes.
by Malice
Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:07 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: SOPA talk, yo.
Replies: 620
Views: 85680

Re: SOPA talk, yo.

It just irks me when people can't see the difference between acting as an unauthorized publisher and someone lending out a single copy of the work they legitimately purchased. Let's say someone sold a manuscript to Pelican books, they do a run, and some guy buys a copy, reads it, then sells it to a...
by Malice
Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:11 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: SOPA talk, yo.
Replies: 620
Views: 85680

Re: SOPA talk, yo.

Libraries pay for their books for instance. So did the person who uploaded the original file. The library is also lending it out to one person at a time, rather than an arbitrarily number of people for all of perpetuity. Forget that bit, as libraries also lend forever. So now the question becomes: ...
by Malice
Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:05 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: SOPA talk, yo.
Replies: 620
Views: 85680

Re: SOPA talk, yo.

Hey Ix, does the rampant piracy of the House of Representatives make them more or less credible regarding SOPA? -- Something I've always wanted to discuss, mostly because it's based more on a suspicion of mine than any genuine fact--I mentioned a few posts back that I don't think that there really i...
by Malice
Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:00 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: SOPA talk, yo.
Replies: 620
Views: 85680

Re: SOPA talk, yo.

But the fact is several of "your sides" responses are in direct defense of piracy. ("Its legal in Canada so I should be able to do it because I live in Canada .") FTFY. More justification for theft. Your government in defacto collusion with a piracy website allows you to easily ...
by Malice
Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:06 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: U.S. broadens archaic definition of rape
Replies: 42
Views: 7461

Re: U.S. broadens archaic definition of rape

It is certainly a step in the right direction though counting rape only as penetration is still BS. I mean, if you hold someone with a penis down and force them to penetrate you that is still rape but would not count under this definition, just as one example. Actually, as long as the article quote...
by Malice
Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:03 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: SOPA talk, yo.
Replies: 620
Views: 85680

Re: SOPA talk, yo.

Any internet company large enough to fight back is large enough to never want to do so. Instead, they'll simply implement their own policies to ensure that they are in compliance with the law--which means draconian self-censorship. The government won't have to lift a finger and they certainly won't ...
by Malice
Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:57 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Infant Circumcision

I actually think this is an extremely interesting and relevant point that never really got the attention it deserves. Any social benefits to circumcision (all of which the pro-circumcision people here have gone over in thorough detail) must inevitably translate directly into social problems for the...
by Malice
Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:55 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Transphobic Tampon Ad
Replies: 203
Views: 24685

Re: Transphobic Tampon Ad

I'm honestly going to claim that it's ok for any actor to portray themselves. This seems to be a case where the actor's (good faith) intentions were misunderstood. When I just watched the ad (which is here , in case no one has linked to it yet), I saw what the actor intended, which is a bitchy drag...
by Malice
Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:57 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Infant Circumcision

These things are not the same, they work different, they are different. Your denial on this is on the order that could only come from religion. Orrrr, as I've repeatedly pointed out to you, my position could be from medical data. But hey, considering your lack of supporting evidence, maybe your hat...
by Malice
Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:01 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Infant Circumcision

Sorry guys, I'm bowing out of this debate. Malice just failed the "Has Read My Posts And Is Aware That I'm Making Assumptions" test and it certainly isn't going to be worth the amount of RAEG that it's going to induce in me to correct zir. (I'm male, btw.) I know you're assuming that ther...
by Malice
Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Infant Circumcision

On another, slightly less ludicrously stupid note, neither you nor anyone else has provided any justification as to why perceived loss is the only important metric when considering damage. If that were true then lobotomising people without their consent would be perfectly legitimate*, as they canno...
by Malice
Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:25 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: U.S. Republican Primary
Replies: 2855
Views: 279686

Re: U.S. Republican Primary

Edit: I think you're taking the passage beginning with "I’m willing to continue to have Muslim children slaughtered" a bit too literally. Greenwald isn't saying that an honest Obama voter wants Muslim children to be slaughtered ceteris paribus. He's saying that an honest Obama voter recog...
by Malice
Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:24 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: U.S. Republican Primary
Replies: 2855
Views: 279686

Re: U.S. Republican Primary

For TGB: It’s perfectly rational and reasonable for progressives to decide that the evils of their candidate are outweighed by the evils of the GOP candidate, whether the Ronpaul or anyone else. An honest line of reasoning in this regard would go as follows: Yes, I’m willing to continue to have Musl...
by Malice
Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:09 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: U.S. Republican Primary
Replies: 2855
Views: 279686

Re: U.S. Republican Primary

Glenn Greenwald, one of my favorite columnists and commentators, has a brilliant article that came out today about the Ronpaul and the dilemma he poses for progressives: http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/singleton/ What a yawner. Just another glorification of t...
by Malice
Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:08 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Infant Circumcision

What is the point, though? Are you arguing that we shouldn't do anything to infants that will cause them pain, like vaccinations? If you were actually stubbing my toe for my benefit, I suppose I wouldn't mind the pain there either. My apologies for a lack of clarity; I was referring only to situati...
by Malice
Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:13 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Infant Circumcision

I'm not sure it is, given the lack of long term effects of non-anesthesia use... That is... not a very good argument (assuming you're speaking of pain here, of course). Almost no-one will remember any non-extreme pain a few months or years after the event, but that certainly does not excuse the ori...
by Malice
Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

circumcision does not cause significant or lasting harm because: -The operation has a reasonably low level of risk to the infant, and recovery is not overly onerous; -Social effects are not a factor (unlike say FGM) -Sensitivity has not been proven to be significantly reduced, and men who have the ...
by Malice
Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:54 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

We've been over each of those, multiple times. Odd that Sourmilk isn't being scolded for asserting things not settled as if they were facts. I've read the thread and its false premise that circumcision causes no harm. Briefly, circumcision does not cause significant or lasting harm because: -The op...
by Malice
Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:08 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

I think Malice was referring to the semiprivate changing of clothes before and after gym class. An uncircumcised Jewish kid could face serious social consequences. My incredulity remains, though somewhat lessened. I might have led a very sheltered life, but at my schools, we had this fascinating ne...
by Malice
Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:16 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

My issue with your argument is not, I think, your framework, but that you're blithely dismissing the possibility of benefits. I mean, my god--if you believe a certain way, a baptism isn't just beneficial, it's vital to the well-being of the child's immortal soul. How can you just throw something li...
by Malice
Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:05 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

And, as I said, my objection has nothing to do with the risk, and everything to do with the lack of any clear benefit. A parent shouldn't force a child to do something that won't benefit them, like circumcision, ear piercing or baptism. My issue with your argument is not, I think, your framework, b...
by Malice
Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:58 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

Because as a species we have done some seriously fucked up things to our kids to force them to fit into a preconditioned society ideal of aesthetic and have subjected them to such horrors as foot binding, we cannot be trusted with such decisions so we really ought to have a moral code that dictates...
by Malice
Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:00 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

if you don't know what the difference is, then it's really difficult to regret things. This is a rather interesting way of putting it. If you don't know what the difference is, and your 'different thing' functions perfectly well, then... well, what's the difference? I don't see how you can say &quo...
by Malice
Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:30 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

You are either choosing that your child will get to his 18th birthday with a circumcised penis or you're choosing that your child will get to his 18th birthday with an uncircumcised penis. Defaulting to the latter based on the naturalistic fallacy is not a solution. Or you're choosing the fact that...
by Malice
Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:19 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

All decisions that parents make for their children are irreparable No they aren't irrepable. Some of them and only some of them may have major impact, but that still doesn't make them irreparable. Unless for circumcision. Time: it moves forward, not back. I would welcome a citation if you beg to di...
by Malice
Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:29 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

You haven't been able so far to explain why it should a parental decision ? Why ? Your child is just going to be a child for some years. Later he will become a man for many decades and it seems more logic that it should be his choice considering it is his body. Can parents also choose your future w...
by Malice
Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:58 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

Can you guys seriously cut it out with the whole rape thing? Besides being offensive, it's just a shitty argument. You're magicking away all of the hypothetical consequences, leaving nothing but the taboo concept itself, and then trying to declare victory when the consequentialists (who ascribe no i...
by Malice
Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Infant Circumcision
Replies: 1022
Views: 103320

Re: Male Infant Circumcision

Would you disagree that parents, by default, have discretion over their child, and that one must show an action is harmful to override that discretion? He's already said as much, and I'll say as well. I 100% disagree with that statement. I think that any action a caregiver commits is subject to the...
by Malice
Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:11 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Atheists may as well be rapists
Replies: 118
Views: 10687

Re: Atheists may as well be rapists

In reality though, as I imagine that people act according to morality that's either instinctual or societal, the morality of both atheists and theists is practically the same, except for a few key differences, yes? The only real disputes I can think of are the morality of worship and the morality o...
by Malice
Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:33 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Education from OWS thread
Replies: 201
Views: 19323

Re: Education from OWS thread

See, here's a kind of a point I want to make a compromise between the "personal enrichment" and "job" crowd"; why does it have to be either/or? It doesn't, it's not a binary, but going to college to get an English degree and then expecting to be employed in non-English degr...
by Malice
Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:57 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Education from OWS thread
Replies: 201
Views: 19323

Re: Education from OWS thread

Izawwlgood, why should people be pushed to choose professional development over personal enrichment? Anecdotally, my entire extended family goes like this: Grandparents (1st generation): blue-collar or low white-collar, retired with a pension Parents (2nd generation): high white-collar (corporate ma...
by Malice
Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:50 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: US Super Committee Fails to Agree
Replies: 60
Views: 5803

Re: US Super Committee Fails to Agree

It doesn't stop anybody from voting except the illiterate, you mean?
And makes sure people aren't too misinformed so long as the pamphlets are written by Xenor, impartial observer from a distant plane of existence?

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