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- Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:48 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

Who the fuck cares whether mathematics can define something in an absolute sense? It's only you. You're the one putting words in other people's mouths, both in your posts explicitly and in axiomatic mathematics' mouth claiming that it wants to try to deal with absolutes. Everyone (except you) knows ...

- Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:07 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

You're the one claiming that everything ever is relative, Treatid. Are you saying you have an actual counterexample to the first law of thought, or is this more of your waving wildly in the air? You seem to want to say 1. Axiomatic mathematics is an absolute system. 2. There are no absolute systems....

- Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:43 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]
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### Re: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]

It was argued that since balls have special memories of their past digits and Hilbert's Hotel has an incompetent assistant manager, the limits should actually be different. You sound unconvinced. 1. In the original, remove-the-lowest-ball game, there exists at some point a ball with the label "...

- Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:28 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]
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### Re: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]

There was a comment a few pages back that I didn't pick up properly at the time, where it was said "but if the sequences are the same at every point, then how can the limit be different"? And here's the answer to that... f i and g i are different functions... the sequences of functions is...

- Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:08 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

What is a reference frame in mathematics? You need to be more specific. You say "the reference frame at integer zero" and "the reference frame at infinity", but what do those mean? Showing one example of an equivalent equation in those two frames does very little to enlighten. Do...

- Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:30 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

Okay, axiomatically defined things are defined relative to the language they're written in, or something. So what? You're the only one who seems to think that the absolute vs. relative divide matters, or that axiomatic mathematics not being "absolute" damns it. The goal of axiomatic mathem...

- Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:46 am UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]
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### Re: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]

I can't see the balls as anything but interchangeable. That is, if I take the balls with labels 2 and 3, and swap their labels, I haven't changed anything in the jug. I disagree. If you look at a single ball in the first game, you see it enter at a step, and leave at a step, and those steps are def...

- Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:22 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]
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### Re: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]

So, I think that we can resolve the paradox in this way: We have a sequence of sets of balls that is different from the sequence of sets of balls in the first game; and a sequence of sets of labels which is the same as the sequence of sets of labels in the original game. At midnight, we have an inf...

- Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:33 am UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]
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### Re: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]

Suppose we have a sequence of sets, where S n is defined as {f 1 (n), f 2 (n)}, where f 1 (n) = (-1)^n, f 2 (n) = (-1)^(n+1). Is the limit of this sequence {1, -1}? Or is the limit of the sequence {lim f 1 , lim f 2 }? It's {-1, 1}. Maybe a more enlightening example would be that if R_n = {1/n}, th...

- Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:21 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]
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### Re: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]

Why should a limit of a sequence care about the specific formula you happen to use to define the terms of the sequence? It's certainly not true for sequences of real numbers, so why should it suddenly become true for sequences of sets? This is what I can't understand about your wanting Scenarios A a...

- Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:42 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]
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### Re: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]

Your error occurs at the bolded statement. There is no reason to believe that a property that exists at every finite step also exists after an infinite number of steps. And yet you believe that so vehemently in Scenario A, that no ball with an "infinite label" is added because there's no ...

- Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:21 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]
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### Re: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]

How can Scenario A and Scenario R have different ends to their supertasks? They're the same after each step, so they must have the same limit, if such a limit exists. Specifically, claims keep being made about how in Scenario A, the jug must be empty, because no non-naturally-numbered ball is ever a...

- Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:48 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Lost Car Keys
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### Re: Lost Car Keys

Before checking your pocket, there's a 1/5 chance the keys fell out during the first meeting, a 4/5*1/5 = 4/25 chance the keys fell out during the second meeting, a 4/5*4/5*1/5 = 16/125 chance the keys fell out during the third meeting, and a 4/5*4/5*4/5 = 64/125 chance the keys are still in your po...

- Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:14 pm UTC
- Forum: Forum Games
- Topic: Three words, one solution
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### Re: Three words, one solution

If it had just been "Ring" I would have said Mega Man bosses.

- Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:10 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]
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### Re: Infinite Balls and Jugs [solution]

I'm not sure why we should just blindly accept that the pointwise limit of the sets is the correct one. I agree that no other limit makes sense, but in a lot of contexts we simply say "there is no limit" when the pointwise limit fails to do what we want. And if it can't even preserve cardi...

- Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:06 pm UTC
- Forum: Forum Games
- Topic: Three words, one solution
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- Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:59 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Proving angles are equal in a triangle in a circle.
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### Re: Proving angles are equal in a triangle in a circle.

I don't really understand why people are saying to add the center, or construct right angles, or what have you.

In terms of circle arc measures, what is the measure of angle TAC? What is the measure of angle ABC? You should have theorems about both of these.

In terms of circle arc measures, what is the measure of angle TAC? What is the measure of angle ABC? You should have theorems about both of these.

- Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:36 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: uniform acceleration
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### Re: uniform acceleration

If the train accelerates uniformly from a speed of 0 to a speed of v, what is its average speed over this interval? If the train decelerates uniformly from a speed of v to a speed of 0, what is its average speed over this interval?

- Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:09 am UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Pay to Win - a game theory problem
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### Re: Pay to Win - a game theory problem

Once you open up lying, then why should I believe your inflated number? If I know you're liable to inflate your number, then I have no reason to assume that the number you report is correct.

- Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:42 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

My eyes are rolling back in my head. Your last post is so rambling that I can barely comprehend it. I'll try to, though. I'm pretty sure there is an intended difference between mathematics and physics. A physical model/description/map has value according to how well it describes an actual physical p...

- Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:13 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: statistics
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### Re: statistics

Why is that the correct value for part (a)?

What does margin of error mean? What does the poll say the actual percentage is? What is the 5% level of significance?

What does margin of error mean? What does the poll say the actual percentage is? What is the 5% level of significance?

- Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:14 am UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

Absolutist assumption A given !x is changed. x is not directly changed. Obviously if !x is changed then C is also changed. However, x is an absolute value and does not depend on C or !x. x (before) = x (after) What do you mean, !x is changed? How? Why? The complement of something (b...

- Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:52 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

Cauchy asks for a couple of conditions: 1. No leaping tall gulfs of understanding/description by using impossible presumptions. 2. The result should say something that can be applied: There should be mathematics involved, not 'just philosophy'. That's not how I'd phrase what I said at all. I want y...

- Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:54 am UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Goahead52's Math Posts
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### Re: Goahead52's Math Posts

If you have to consult a lookup table, why not just store the number of primes itself? That way, you don't have to do any summation after you look up numbers.

- Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:27 am UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

Cauchy: I hope you are also a teacher outside these forums. Even when you think people are wrong - you don't tell them they are wrong, you give them a carefully measured piece of rope exquisitely judged to let them hang themselves (realise where they have made a mistake). Your consistent constructi...

- Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:06 am UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

I think that they, and axiomatic mathematics, are missing how important the difference between "absolutely distinct in every conceivable way" and "mostly separate, but not quite entirely so" is. What does it mean for two systems to be "mostly separate, but not quite entirel...

- Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:20 am UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

If I'm running two different VMs on my computer at the same time, and one crashes, it doesn't mean that the other has to go down with it. In fact, the VMs probably don't interact with each other at all. This is the way that different axiomatic systems are separate. If two different computers run the...

- Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:31 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Goahead52's Math Posts
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### Re: Goahead52's Math Posts

So if x=(a+b)^2 and x-a^2+2ab+b^2 is then going to tell you something? x = (a+b)^2 is not an identity: if x = 2, a = 1 and b = 3, it's clearly false. So if you assert that it's true, you find out something about x, a and b. That's why x-(a^2+2ab+b^2) can be evaluated to 0, under the premise that th...

- Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:34 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Goahead52's Math Posts
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### Re: Factorization of odd semi prime is over!

Goahead52 wrote:A(A-y+1) mod (p*q-2)=A-(2*y)+4

Since pq=A, we get that A(A-y+1) = A - 2y + 4 (mod (A-2)).

Since A is congruent to 2 mod A-2, we find that 2(2-y+1) = 2-2y+4 (mod (A-2)).

But this is an identity. That is to say, it's true for any values of A and y. So its truth doesn't tell us anything about y.

- Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:22 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Factorial puzzle
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### Re: Factorial puzzle

The link between m and n is that their product seems to be constant for a given k. I would be fairly surprised if there were solutions not generated by the algorithm I described.

- Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:41 am UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

I googled "does salt taste like sodium and chlorine together" and literally the first result is a Stack Exchange question whose answer effectively says that yes, salt tastes like sodium cations and chlorine anions together because the salty taste is triggered by the sodium cations once the...

- Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:00 am UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Factorial puzzle
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### Re: Factorial puzzle

What is the point of having m and n? The Euler totient function is multiplicative , so unless you plan to have solutions with m and n sharing a factor, we can just talk about mn*phi(mn). Really, though, we should be splitting m and n up across their prime factors. So we have m = p_1^{m_1}p_2^{m_2}.....

- Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:22 am UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?
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### Re: Misunderstanding basic math concepts, help please?

What is the complement of an axiomatic system? Does it have the same symbols? The same well-formed formulae? The same rules of inference? The same axioms? You use the term like you expect us to know what it means, but no one else talks about the complement of a theory. Te complement of a set, I know...

- Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:27 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Sharing secret information publicly
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### Re: Sharing secret information publicly

Once I found the best and elegant solution I will post it. Just letting you know, it's already in the thread. Tirear posted most of it, and I put the finishing touches on it. The Fano plane solution (which you have yet to accurately write down) is pretty, and a natural jump when you're talking abou...

- Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:48 am UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Connect all points to form a single tree
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### Re: Connect all points to form a single tree

Solution:

**Spoiler:**

- Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:46 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Sharing secret information publicly
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### Re: Sharing secret information publicly

The solution that Tirear posted has been proved correct, so you don't have to worry about that. It's quite elegant. Goahead, your solution can't work. Once A says something, B will never learn any more information, since he already knows the information he's about to say, and that's everything else ...

- Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:18 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Formula for the Volume of a n-cone
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### Re: Formula for the Volume of a n-cone

Euclid proved the volume of the cone. Are you are suggesting that he knew calculus? I'm suggesting that he did what we would now put under the umbrella of calculus, whether or not he "knew calculus" or knew about calculus. The method of exhaustion is seen as a precursor to the methods of ...

- Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:44 am UTC
- Forum: Serious Business
- Topic: Problem about free will
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### Re: Problem about free will

There's no flaw in Adam's logic, so far as I can tell, though he's using the term "free will" a little weirdly (which you've explained in subsequent posts, JS). I question what kind of doctor would "tell" a patient what medicine to take as opposed to recommending a medicine, but ...

- Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:55 pm UTC
- Forum: Logic Puzzles
- Topic: Sharing secret information publicly
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### Re: Sharing secret information publicly

The order being required knowledge doesn't make the problem any harder. If you have a solution in which the order is not required, just append the relative values of your three cards in your statement, e.g. "low, high, middle". Anyone who knows your three cards will be able to determine th...

- Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:28 pm UTC
- Forum: Mathematics
- Topic: Formula for the Volume of a n-cone
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### Re: Formula for the Volume of a n-cone

Although it might be possible to phrase what I described in terms of Riemann sums, I didn't, and I don't think it is a very productive way of approaching most geometric problems - a circle is not even the graph of a function, and it's entirely possible for the base of a cone to be stranger (think s...