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by elasto
Thu May 09, 2019 1:14 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Purpose of a Healthcare System
Replies: 58
Views: 2951

Re: Purpose of a Healthcare System

Drugs are weird in that most of the costs come from the R&D not from the manufacturing - and the successful drugs have to cover the R&D costs of the failures. I'm all for the banning of advertising of drugs to consumers though. Many countries do including the UK. That would reduce costs and...
by elasto
Tue May 07, 2019 6:29 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Purpose of a Healthcare System
Replies: 58
Views: 2951

Re: Purpose of a Healthcare System

I'm not sure that's a meaningful distinction. Should farms be required to give away the food they produce at cost too? Food is basically a life-saving drug. Drugs are weird in that most of the costs come from the R&D not from the manufacturing - and the successful drugs have to cover the R&D...
by elasto
Tue May 07, 2019 6:15 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Purpose of a Healthcare System
Replies: 58
Views: 2951

Re: Purpose of a Healthcare System

Anyone in the position of power who has the ability and means to murder people by withholding life-saving drugs by reason of profit should be charged with depraved indifference homicide. I hope not else we're all in trouble. You and I have the ability to save a life right now by making a donation t...
by elasto
Mon May 06, 2019 3:03 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future
Replies: 127
Views: 7263

Re: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future

I think news has to be non-profit. That may mean government-funded but independent (like the BBC), that may mean private benefactors (eg. some billionaire setting up a trust), and maybe even a collective (I recently heard an interview with a journalist who self-funds through Patreon) but I think the...
by elasto
Sat May 04, 2019 9:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Purpose of a Healthcare System
Replies: 58
Views: 2951

Re: Purpose of a Healthcare System

Nope, anyone above 400% of FPL pays exact same for health insurance on the ACA. Well, not exact same, rich people being in healthier areas like Connecticut, but whatever. Plus, federal monies pay for the poor, and the rich do pay more in income tax, so they do sort of pay for the poor. [...] Proble...
by elasto
Fri May 03, 2019 11:25 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Purpose of a Healthcare System
Replies: 58
Views: 2951

Re: Purpose of a Healthcare System

Well, imo, it's fair enough for a family on $100k to pay disproportionately more than a family on $25k, so long as a family on $400k pay in disproportionately more again. That's the part where the equation breaks down I suspect. (Still, I could be wrong, but I bet a family on $100k in the US pay way...
by elasto
Fri May 03, 2019 6:10 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]
Replies: 1402
Views: 233024

Re: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]

Is anyone else disillusioned by the result though? I mean, I was one of those who carefully read the election leaflets and picked counsellors based on the local issues. But screw all that, all that matters is Brexit, right? How many counsellors doing great jobs for their local communities got tossed...
by elasto
Fri May 03, 2019 12:36 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Purpose of a Healthcare System
Replies: 58
Views: 2951

Re: Purpose of a Healthcare System

When I pointed out that not only would the cost of the cheapest available health insurance drastically exceed anything I was likely to pay in health care (which, at the time, I basically just didn't get, at all, because I couldn't afford it), that cost of health insurance would subsequently leave m...
by elasto
Thu May 02, 2019 1:51 pm UTC
Forum: Fictional Science
Topic: The Modalities and Practicalities of Hell
Replies: 2
Views: 5258

Re: The Modalities and Practicalities of Hell

Have you seen Black Mirror's "White Christmas"? It's a brilliant episode that covers many of the areas you explore.

(The "Black Museum" episode also explores similar ideas but I feel "White Christmas" to be superior)
by elasto
Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:10 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Purpose of a Healthcare System
Replies: 58
Views: 2951

Re: Purpose of a Healthcare System

And you don't think services to help people stop drinking or drink less are provided by public health? Some services are, but some (such as police breathalysing motorists) are not. Look, I don't think we are disagreeing in any substantive way here. I'm arguing that there is a body overseeing the he...
by elasto
Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:24 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Purpose of a Healthcare System
Replies: 58
Views: 2951

Re: Purpose of a Healthcare System

I would say that vaccines, proper diet, etc. are preemptive treatments of a disease, so my principle still holds. I think you could state it more clearly than you did in that case. Rather than: "The purpose of a healthcare system is to provide healthcare i.e. treat diseases" perhaps somet...
by elasto
Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:55 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Purpose of a Healthcare System
Replies: 58
Views: 2951

Re: Purpose of a Healthcare System

As I said, the definition of health is a controversial one (the WHO definition is from 1948, not surprising that there would be some issues with it now). However, most definitions as used by medical and public health bodies include other domains than just physical and mental. Yeah. I have no proble...
by elasto
Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:03 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Purpose of a Healthcare System
Replies: 58
Views: 2951

Re: Purpose of a Healthcare System

Even though it comes from WHO, Angua's definition strikes me as overly broad. I'd describe that more as a system of 'social services' than 'healthcare' - though I would agree that 'health' goes beyond merely the physical and into mental health, which, agreed, is a very nebulous arena... "The pu...
by elasto
Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:26 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8571
Views: 807737

Re: Trump presidency

Oh the US right definitely uses dehumanising language way more, but there are ways to dehumanize that win you elections and ways to do it that don't. Elections in the US are decided in a handful of swing states by a handful of swing voters. When the right dehumanizes, it generally targets non-voters...
by elasto
Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:57 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 8571
Views: 807737

Re: Trump presidency

Sadly, that kind of rant is a small reason many voted for Trump in the first place. Elections are won in the middle ground - by appealing to the masses, and hyperbole like calling ordinary right-wing voices on this board 'fucking evil' is just a complete turn-off. All you'll get is people saying 'we...
by elasto
Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:50 pm UTC
Forum: Mathematics
Topic: What do Average Mathmaticians Do?
Replies: 16
Views: 1659

Re: What do Average Mathmaticians Do?

If you're genuinely interested there are some pretty approachable channels on youtube where people talk through math proofs in something approaching layman's terms, and you can get a reasonable insight into the day to day ways they approach tasks - Numberphile and Mathologer spring to mind. As a ran...
by elasto
Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:20 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 47
Views: 4440

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

... are you trying to claim that guided processes (e.g., human thought) are more efficient than random ones (natural selection)? Yes. Seems pretty obvious to me. Apparently not to everyone. It's obvious to everyone. Yes. It's completely obvious to everyone. The disagreement is (a) whether competiti...
by elasto
Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:08 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future
Replies: 127
Views: 7263

Re: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future

I think it’s important to distinguish between voters and those they vote for when talking about this. There is still today a contingent of politically left-leaning people who are anti-vaxers and homeopaths and generally all in for a wide variety of woo, but to my knowledge that has never been part ...
by elasto
Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:56 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future
Replies: 127
Views: 7263

Re: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future

What part of what I said there isn't true? If what you said was true (that policies are correlated because they come from first principles and not from partisanship) then it wouldn't be the case that the left in the UK believe in (A and B) but not (C and D), but the left in the US believe in (A and ...
by elasto
Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:46 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future
Replies: 127
Views: 7263

Re: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future

[Double-Post]
by elasto
Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:10 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future
Replies: 127
Views: 7263

Re: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future

So an anti-establishment political movement had people who were anti-medical establishment and this was all because of partisanship? I don't think you put much thought into this, which would be my experience with centrists. Where did I say that hippies held their views because of partisanship..? It...
by elasto
Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:34 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Julian assange arrested
Replies: 21
Views: 1655

Re: Julian assange arrested

Since when are criminal charges subjected to a statute of limitations? Some weird Swedish thing? Does the US not have a statute of limitations? In general it's to do with the accused's right to a fair trial: If the crime was committed too long a time ago, the accused may reasonably have no recollec...
by elasto
Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:29 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future
Replies: 127
Views: 7263

Re: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future

What's this referring to? eg. To distrust medicine, or to give it its archaic name, “western medicine”, was once the preserve of the hippy left. In the early days of the anti-vax movement, at the turn of this century, those who distrusted vaccinations spanned the political spectrum. Only in the pas...
by elasto
Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:49 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future
Replies: 127
Views: 7263

Re: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future

Believing in bodily autonomy could lead you to be pro-choice and anti-pollution. If people are principled and consistent in their ethics then you would expect a lot of views across a wide variety of areas to go together. Pollution =/= climate change. You can be anti-pollution but believe anthropoge...
by elasto
Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:44 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future
Replies: 127
Views: 7263

Re: 2020 Presidency Campaign for the Future

That's fair, but his gun control position is influenced by the presence of gun makers in his state. Which isn't inherently a problem unless your party goes from frowning on guns to hating them. Voters shouldn't be monolithic. Parties shouldn't be monolithic. Politicians shouldn't be monolithic. It'...
by elasto
Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:12 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Class vs class
Replies: 81
Views: 15544

Re: Class vs class

The key to "classy" is grace under adversity - that is, eschewing being a raging lout when provoked. This also extends to grace absent adversity - that is, eschewing being a dick when the opportunity to be a dick presents itself. In other words, class is taking the high road when it is ei...
by elasto
Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:08 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 47
Views: 4440

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

Careful with what is meant by "group". I don't mean "the individuals in the set" [...] Society isn't the set of people in it, but the rules, norms, and mores of the people that make it up. If something benefits people individually and collectively, now and into the future, that'...
by elasto
Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:59 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 47
Views: 4440

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

Vaccinations help the individual (keeping them from disease) and help the other (perhaps unvaccinated) individuals in the group (preventing them from being exposed to disease). However, it harms the group in the sense that, without evolutionary pressure to be robust, subsequent individuals will ten...
by elasto
Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:09 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 47
Views: 4440

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

"To benefit the group, you harm the individual. To benefit the individual, you harm the group." Can you explain further since this doesn't make much sense to me. It seems perfectly possible for individuals to gain and noone to lose. And if all individuals gain, surely they do as a group t...
by elasto
Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:32 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.
Replies: 47
Views: 4440

Re: Competition Is Bad. There's An Alternative.

You can go and plunge into the games people play against each other. Sometimes people help each other. So do animals. They're really just helping themselves, or their genes [...] You can try to chase down this thing called cooperation, and in case after case it turns out to be the same thing: just ...
by elasto
Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:15 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4502
Views: 679815

Re: The Darker Side of the News

Character is more about why a person does what they do, than about the actual thing that they do. You don't shouldn't want a politician who will just do what you want, because you don't know enough to know what you want. Well I agree, but that isn't the wind blowing these days. Rather, as Gove ...
by elasto
Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:52 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4502
Views: 679815

Re: The Darker Side of the News

The quote is in response to a video about how Trump demonstrably lied about his overriding security clearance denials. As long as he does what they want, it doesn't matter. Same with judges like kavanaugh and so forth. The thing is, character is only useful in so much as it's a predictor of future ...
by elasto
Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:45 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: The Darker Side of the News
Replies: 4502
Views: 679815

Re: The Darker Side of the News

In one IT department I used to work in we were shifting from one in-house IT system to another due to a merger. My best friend at the time was totally against the transition and decided to hand in his notice. The department let him serve out his time but arguably they shouldn't have. He spent the en...
by elasto
Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:30 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest
Replies: 37
Views: 3092

Re: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest

I actually can't think of a single case of a new version of a product that is worse but cheaper. This is especially true in the specific case I was thinking of, which is software that moves to a subscription model. I agree. I can list quite a few examples of software I have now only because it move...
by elasto
Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:48 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest
Replies: 37
Views: 3092

Re: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest

Providing a new product that's worse than the old product isn't an example of a pointless job, merely a job executed poorly. What if providing a worse product is part of a deliberate business strategy? Typically a product won't be both strictly worse than the product it replaces and more expensive....
by elasto
Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest
Replies: 37
Views: 3092

Re: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest

Providing a new product that's worse than the old product isn't an example of a pointless job, merely a job executed poorly.

Any job on or off this list can be executed poorly; That isn't the criteria for being on the list.
by elasto
Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:05 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest
Replies: 37
Views: 3092

Re: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest

Yeah. Receptionists and admin assistants don't belong on that list; Just like specialisation plus trade produces huge net positives economically, so too with the everyday tasks keeping an organisation ticking over. 'People opening doors' is more dubious, but if they double up as security, helping pe...
by elasto
Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:15 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest
Replies: 37
Views: 3092

Re: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest

Having said that, in many modern corporations, middle-management has a target and a personal financial incentive to reduce departmental budgets year-on-year, but I could easily imagine that many do not. Where there is no pressure from above to reduce budgets basically come-what-may, I can easily ima...
by elasto
Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest
Replies: 37
Views: 3092

Re: Being Rich is Against Anyone's Rational Self Interest

Causation...correlation. It would be interesting to see what the contributing factor is for "people who are unhappy tend to become rich as a way to offset this". There is also the issue of why or how somebody became rich. Doing so as a side effect of doing something else (like inventing s...
by elasto
Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:04 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]
Replies: 1402
Views: 233024

Re: British EU referendum in June [update: Leave wins 52% - 48%, politics ensue]

Unsurprisingly, all eight indicative votes were rejected - after all, all MPs can agree on is that they disagree. To expect MPs to resolve in a single session something the government with all its resources and arm-twisting couldn't resolve in two years is pretty harsh. The important thing is there...

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