Twistar wrote:Man things have really gotten out of control here.

Yeah. Yet only my post was thrown out to another thread as "off topic".

I thought that on XKCD we could have a fair and balanced discussion, but I guess I was mistaken. I'm outta here.

- Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:36 pm UTC
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Twistar wrote:Man things have really gotten out of control here.

Yeah. Yet only my post was thrown out to another thread as "off topic".

I thought that on XKCD we could have a fair and balanced discussion, but I guess I was mistaken. I'm outta here.

- Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:26 pm UTC
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It would be a very short and boring thread It may be a short thread, but it's still going to be a new thread. ...which I have exactly zero interest in participating in. If people want to think that I'm talking nonsense without even spending 30 seconds trying to understand what I was really trying s...

- Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:09 pm UTC
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The digits on that thread are not really random, though. Humans are terrible at emulating randomness.

At any rate, if you're willing to get your digits from an outside internet source, you can always get (almost) as many true random digits as you wish at random.org.

At any rate, if you're willing to get your digits from an outside internet source, you can always get (almost) as many true random digits as you wish at random.org.

- Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:08 pm UTC
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Split from "Basic Misunderstanding", on the topic of whether QM has anything to say about consciousness. It's important to be disrespectful of nonsense, because it is easy for nonsense to get the wrong idea about its place in the dialog. That's circular logic which can be used to redicule...

- Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:46 am UTC
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(1,0,0 (1) 0)|4 = (4,0 (1) 0)|10

- Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:43 pm UTC
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I have a degree in physics and I aced QM. Qualia are real - subjectively. And I don't believe p-zombies make sense. And I don't think that rediculing an opinion with a knee-jerk reaction and immediately saying after that "enough of that, let's talk about something else" in official red let...

- Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:32 pm UTC
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I didn't say that subjective experience necessarily has anything to do with waveform collapse. I simply said that subjective experience is outside the realm of description of conventional physics. Even if we had a "map" that tells us exactly what brain state corresponds to what subjective ...

- Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:16 pm UTC
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That wouldn't get you all the way to the subjective experience of "what salt tastes like", but it would for damn sure explain why that subjective experience is so different from the experience of "what pure sodium tastes like". Getting "all the way" to the subjective e...

- Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:19 am UTC
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(1,0,0 (1) 0)|3 = (3,0 (1) 0)|10

BTW where is Sabrar?

BTW where is Sabrar?

- Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:48 am UTC
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Lets start a short list of things you can't describe mathematically to get your started and just to be pedantic I'm going to make them all terrestrial. Love. Aesthetics. Morality. The placebo effect. Pop culture. Musical tastes. Yo mama jokes. Vellichor. Ambition. Schizophrenia. Acting. Justin Beib...

- Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:04 am UTC
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- Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:57 pm UTC
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By the way, there's a very simple way to estimate how close you are to pi with these sums:

If the signs alternate and the numbers get smaller and smaller, then the error is - at most - the last number you added.

So:

1-1/3+1/5-1/7 is within 1/7 of the correct value of pi/4

If the signs alternate and the numbers get smaller and smaller, then the error is - at most - the last number you added.

So:

1-1/3+1/5-1/7 is within 1/7 of the correct value of pi/4

- Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:50 pm UTC
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I'm not attributing fantastic promises to math. It seems like PsiCubed is attributing fantastic promises to math by claiming it can access absolute truth and that it is a universal language. When I was talking about "absolute truth", I was talking about absolute platonic truths like 2+2=4...

- Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:18 pm UTC
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LaserGuy wrote:So, nerd sniping?

Actually, if it was just "nerd sniping", I would have gladly cooperated. But it is probably something else

- Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:16 pm UTC
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My dear boy,

If anybody here had any idea how to break RSA (or factor huge semiprimes - which is the same thing), he would most certainly not share his ideas on public forum.

If anybody here had any idea how to break RSA (or factor huge semiprimes - which is the same thing), he would most certainly not share his ideas on public forum.

- Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:04 pm UTC
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x>1 doesn't give you an answer at all, because the numbers just get bigger and bigger.

And exponents are simply repeated multiplication, which is just as easy to do with fractions:

(1/2)^3 = (1/2)*(1/2)*(1/2) = 1/8

And exponents are simply repeated multiplication, which is just as easy to do with fractions:

(1/2)^3 = (1/2)*(1/2)*(1/2) = 1/8

- Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:48 pm UTC
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x=1 gives you the Leibniz Formula:

arctan(1) = 1-1/3+1/5-1/7... = pi/4

And I've already given my opinion about that one.

For x<1, the progress is much quicker because the series x,x^3,x^5,x^7 goes to zero fairly rapidly.

arctan(1) = 1-1/3+1/5-1/7... = pi/4

And I've already given my opinion about that one.

For x<1, the progress is much quicker because the series x,x^3,x^5,x^7 goes to zero fairly rapidly.

- Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:18 pm UTC
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Yup.

Just stay away from x=1

Just stay away from x=1

- Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:14 pm UTC
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I want to calculate Pi for three reasons. I need a predictable number sequence with no patterns. For that purpose, manually calculating pi is a terribly inefficient method. If you must generate the digits on the fly (that is - you want to be surprised as you fetch them), there are nice pseudorandom...

- Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:57 am UTC
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(2,8 (1) 0)|e^{e} ~ (2,8 (1) 0)|15.15 ~

~ (2,7 (1) 1,4,2,6,4,6,8,6,8,2,9,2,0,8,0,7)|2.5

~ (2,7 (1) 1,4,2,6,4,6,8,6,8,2,9,2,0,8,0,7)|2.5

- Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:20 am UTC
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Also you don't really need many digits. Even NASA uses only 16 digits for the program that controls and stabilizes spacecraft during missions. And that includes some extra digits just to be on the safe side. Somehow I doubt the OP is asking this for any practical purpose. If you want "practica...

- Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:02 am UTC
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On the contrary. We only have a few pages worth of phenomenon that can be described mathematically, that's strong evidence of it's limitations. Huh? What the **** are you talking about? Einstein's General Relativity describes the behavior of ANY gravitational system. The Standard Model describes th...

- Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:59 pm UTC
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The basic laws of physics are governed by very simple mathematical rules. Or at least, we have no reason to assume otherwise. It's also an assumption that this is true too, so we're assuming either way. Okay, let me rephrase my statement: The basic laws of physics, as we know them , are governed by...

- Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:22 pm UTC
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*ehm* count the digits *ehm*

- Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:42 pm UTC
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Okay, so maybe something breaks if you have 1=2*(1/e)^{a lot}*{a lot of primes}. But that just means that "unique factorization" has to be restricted to "no strict subset of a factorization may produce 1". :roll: Defining "prime" over the reals (or the rationals) is pr...

- Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:24 pm UTC
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Ah, so when you said "mathematics is vague", what you actually meant was "physicists use approximations"? Yes. Vague only as a description of the world but not internally. I agree that on it's own mathematics is very precise. But that isn't really true, either. The basic laws of...

- Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:58 am UTC
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You gave one good reason to not consider 1 to be prime, and there are many more. For example, for any prime number, φ(p)=p-1. Yet this isn't true for the number 1. The bottom line is that whether we regard 1 as a prime or not is a matter of convention. And it is exactly due to the fact that so many ...

- Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:46 am UTC
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I understood the 39 digit comment to be a hint about the size of the answer rather than a requirement of the precision. Doesn't really matter. The problem is way too difficult to be simple homework. At any rate, there was a thread (now gone) outside xkcd where ket asked the same question and actual...

- Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:11 am UTC
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lorb wrote:If you come up with a really really really god prime counting function it solves the RH

Couldn't help but chukle at that typo. It sums the difficulty of the problem nicely

- Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:03 am UTC
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Yes vague, as in only to a certain degree of accuracy. In the way that say, a quadratic can be made to vaguely resemble part of a sine curve or how we study non-linear curves by pretending they're close to linear on a small region. I know what the word "vague" means, but I still don't und...

- Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:13 am UTC
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I have to restate and enlarge my claim to the other prime. I will do it until no one has any comment to add. Ehm, what? I'm not sure what you just said, but it can't be good... I checked your statement up to 10000 it is correct and accurate . You are right. This post is getting stranger and strange...

- Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:36 pm UTC
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which "is" (2,2 (1) 2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2)|10

So I send:

(2,3 (1) 4)|5

So I send:

(2,3 (1) 4)|5

- Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:05 pm UTC
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(2,0 (1) 0)|10

- Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:52 pm UTC
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Yes that is what I mean. In the end "absolute truth" is two words and I define them to mean this particular thing. I take this meaning because I think it is the meaning most people intuitively associate with those words when they hear them. Most people intuitively expect to have it both w...

- Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:05 am UTC
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3) Most laymen are not aware that math is vague and imperfect which leads to unjustified faith in the math. It's the third that leads to most conflicts about axiomatic methods. Some high school teacher says math is the universal language and since math skills are rewarded socially they're encourage...

- Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:40 am UTC
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I guess the moral of this sub discussion we've had is that you're using a different definition for absolute truth than I am and I suspect Treatid is. I'm pretty sure that if we define "absolute truth" as "complete epistemic certainty" you would agree that math does not access &q...

- Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:23 pm UTC
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So, we're continuing from 14E10 ? Yes. In other news, I've checked my "Part IV" post for typos and found quite a few of them. Nothing really major, but It is fixed now. Also, due to a mistake in the numbering of the expansinon rules, the "rule ix" Sabrar was refering to is now &...

- Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:47 pm UTC
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Before responding to specifics I'll just say that I think we agree on more things that it is sounding like at the moment. You're probably right. Which is kinda the point I was trying to make: This philosophical divide between the platonists and the non-platonists doesn't really matter, as long as w...

- Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:38 pm UTC
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Oh, and I'm still waiting for you guys to catch up with the current champion:

Q2.02 ~ (1,4 (1) 0)|10 ~ {ω^{ω+1}+ω^{ω}x4}10

Q2.02 ~ (1,4 (1) 0)|10 ~ {ω

- Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:17 pm UTC
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And speaking of Riemann: I wonder... would a clean and closed formula for pi(x) automatically settle the Reimann Hypothesis? I know that if we assume RH to be true, it leads to some very tight bounds for pi(x), but does it also work in reverse? Doesn't even have to be a "clean and closed"...