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by arbiteroftruth
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:07 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12797

Re: Libertarianism

Thesh, you seem to be taking the most extreme examples of exploitative situations, and regarding that as a fundamental feature of profit, rather than as what it is: an exceptional circumstance in which the profit-motive approach has broken down. In your example, if you're down to only one option, th...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:31 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12797

Re: Libertarianism

1. I'm not talking about doing anything to incentivize private investment. I'm only saying that a moral economic system ought to allow it without intrusion, and asserting that the market will in fact find value in that. 2. In your ideal system, who runs the private banks? If they're privately owned ...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:08 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12797

Re: Libertarianism

Suppose we take your notion of loans being provided by a public bank/risk pool, my question is after the public bank invests in a widget-making company, who is going to invest in the second widget-making company? The public investment fund has a low return on investment either way, because the succe...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:00 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12797

Re: Libertarianism

Everything you're saying is true, if you're dealing with an individual investment in a vacuum. But as I said, the individual investment approach allows competition of investment strategies, as well as more naturally allowing simultaneous investments in competing ventures. The former improves efficie...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:21 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12797

Re: Libertarianism

A sustainable insurance program is the exact same concept, just with the expected average benefit being distributed through a risk pool instead of delivered to an individual accepting the risk. There's nothing wrong with such an insurance system, but likewise I see nothing wrong with rewarding an in...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:45 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12797

Re: Libertarianism

@Pfhorrest: I agree up to a point. A totally free market with no interference compounds successes with subsequent advantages, leading to some potential for runaway success somewhat independent of ongoing merit. But I think most of that comes down to efficiencies of scale, so a correctly tuned progre...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:51 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12797

Re: Libertarianism

Alice ended up with the most value only because she had the most property tied up in the situation to begin with. If you flip it around, with a large number of initial victims and a small number of innocent recipients of the ill-gotten gains, the recipients will still be the ones controlling more va...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:38 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12797

Re: Libertarianism

The social-scale equivalent of that "best we could do" would be, surprise, to divide up the property evenly among the people. No, the social-scale equivalent would be to divide up the difference between what each person has and what they deserve. Let's do a slight expansion of the small s...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:09 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12797

Re: Libertarianism

The child who grows up with a murdered parent is indeed disadvantaged in the present day. It is still not just to punish the murderer's children, even when we know who the murderer's children are. It is even worse to punish at random if we do not know who the murderer's children are. I think this &...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:02 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12797

Re: Libertarianism

You are making a moral judgement that there is no right to redistribute property, so either you have made a decision that the current distribution is just, or you are convinced that libertarianism will undo the harm. False dichotomy. It may be that the current distribution is unjust, but that an ac...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:01 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Libertarianism
Replies: 683
Views: 12797

Re: Libertarianism

If you allow for groups of people to be owners of property, then you can consider the group of all people ("the public") to be the owner of property. If that group initially owns everything, even if they're not occupying it (because ownership is not based on occupation, we're assuming), t...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:33 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

Tyndmyr, I'm not saying you're defending Trump as cost effective for the whole society or country The thing you seem to keep missing is the lack of evidence that even Trump himself is trying to obtain the greatest benefit for the people of the United States. Well, that's about the fastest change of...
by arbiteroftruth
Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:45 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

All investment is prioritizing the future over the present. Investing in the environment, a bridge, or a company is not different in that respect. Prima facie evidence for libertarianism being the idea of "I've got mine, so fuck you." " I can afford to live in suburbs and commute to ...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:02 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

They're literally building concentration camps for Latinx immigrants, fuckwit. Profanity aside, thank you for making my point. Any country, regardless of its type of government, will try to control who crosses its borders. The measures the United States is currently taking to stem the influx of ali...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:57 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

Funny how the law only started getting executed in this specific fashion when Trump came into office. It's almost like the President's language and behavior has an impact on how people execute the law! It's almost like that's why I was talking about things that should change in order to fix the sit...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:02 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

How does one determine the 'spirit of the law'? Do you go ask the people who wrote the law every time you intend to enforce it? No, of course not. Of course not. You (generic 'you') operate under the assumption that the law isn't intentionally evil, because if you don't take that assumption then yo...
by arbiteroftruth
Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:02 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

"Just cross at a legitimate point of entry," they said. "You'll be fine," they said. https://twitter.com/Nawazistan/status/1010482762544046080 US officials have repeatedly said anyone looking to enter the US should do so legally, at a port of entry, where they'll be processed in...
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:21 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same
Replies: 193
Views: 5713

Re: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same

When it comes to the problem of people who don't need jobs at all because their investments alone provide enough income to live on, here's how I see it. The idea in capitalism is that an investment is a risk. The investor is providing a real service to the business in particular and to society in ge...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:02 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same
Replies: 193
Views: 5713

Re: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same

But if every worker has a share in the ownership of the business, doesn't that mean every worker has a share in the risk of the business? It seems to me that being able to trade one's stake of ownership in exchange for insulation from the risk is a useful transaction in many cases, and requiring al...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same
Replies: 193
Views: 5713

Re: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same

I personally support market socialism in which the businesses are ran as co-ops. So it's not that private ownership is eliminated (people not in a particular business have no share of ownership of that business's assets), just that the users of a piece of property and the owners of that property ar...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same
Replies: 193
Views: 5713

Re: "Socialism" and "capitalism" are the same

It's not complicated; socialism is a system of economics without private property ownership in which the means of production is ran for the benefit of the people Given that you've also said that everything that defines capitalism is inherently negative, am I correct in understanding that in your vi...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:48 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy and science of gender and sex
Replies: 118
Views: 6057

Re: Philosophy and science of gender and sex

I think there's a certain amount of ambiguity in the question. If I woke up tomorrow in a woman's body, how much else goes along with that scenario? If the intention of the thought experiment is to mirror the situation of being trans, then presumably I can hand-wave away the turmoil it would immedia...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed May 30, 2018 8:33 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6248
Views: 901585

Re: Police misbehavior thread

↶ On a side-note, it's this sort of overly-zealous 'determination to label as a victim someone who does not see themselves as a victim' and 'determination to be offended on behalf of someone who was not offended' that drives a wedge between the right and left - and has produced the backlash that, i...
by arbiteroftruth
Wed May 30, 2018 8:16 am UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy and science of gender and sex
Replies: 118
Views: 6057

Re: Philosophy and science of gender and sex

(foregoing quote boxes because A: I'm on my phone, and B: in my time zone it's 3 am and I have work in the morning) First, I think that in the descriptivist sense, the original sociological meaning of the word 'gender' is largely irrelevant at this point. I think the divide on the subject comes down...
by arbiteroftruth
Tue May 29, 2018 10:23 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy and science of gender and sex
Replies: 118
Views: 6057

Re: Philosophy and science of gender and sex

But I'm pretty sure they are usually neither trying to describe their sex nor to describe society's application of gender constructs to them, but rather applying a gender construct to themselves, which is in the same category of "accepting something as money": it's not something you can b...
by arbiteroftruth
Tue May 29, 2018 6:19 pm UTC
Forum: Serious Business
Topic: Philosophy and science of gender and sex
Replies: 118
Views: 6057

Re: Philosophy and science of gender and sex

Pfhorrest, you seem to be taking an overly binary approach to the notion of something being objective vs. socially constructed. You say, on one hand, that a social construct is arbitrary and with no underlying reality. On the other hand, you say that race is a social construct simply by eliminating ...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu May 24, 2018 5:11 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

I have a job that doesn't particularly involve public speaking or performing in any way, and yet there is a clause in my employment contract to the effect that if I cause a big public controversy around myself such that it becomes a political statement simply to keep employing me, then I can be fir...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu May 24, 2018 3:17 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

Sports has always been full of politics, because it is so visible. You think Jackie Robinson wasn't political? If you truly believe that sports shouldnt have politics at all, then shouldnt you be advocating for the removal of the Pledge entirely ? I'm not saying there shouldn't be any politics in s...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu May 24, 2018 2:42 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

The President's staff is political, that's not really relevant. It's not just that they are telling them not to make political statements, it's that they are telling players to make a specific political statement while silencing another. It was established above that everything is political. If you...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu May 24, 2018 2:26 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

The fact that they are granted special protections by the government and receive government funding specifically for promoting the DoD means that there may very well be a free speech issue, and they aren't allowed to silence people. If you are forcing people to make a political statement, you autom...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu May 24, 2018 2:19 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

They're professional performers who are on the clock. There's nothing unreasonable about saying "no politics on the job", particularly when it results in boycotts from a non-trivial chunk of the audience. As Thesh already mentioned, banning protests is already including politics on the jo...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu May 24, 2018 2:09 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

And? Yeah, it's silly for the government to be involved in an entertainment business, but that doesn't change the realities of running that business, nor is there anything abnormal or unreasonable about restricting the expression of people who are essentially government employees.
by arbiteroftruth
Thu May 24, 2018 1:50 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Trump presidency
Replies: 6177
Views: 465714

Re: Trump presidency

link By unanimous decision, the NFL owners ban an expression of speech require all NFL players to stand for the pledge of alliagence. Players are allowed to protest by staying in the locker room and out of sight of the public *People riot due to police brutality* "Why cant these hooligans prot...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu May 17, 2018 3:40 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Blistering blue barnacles
Replies: 28396
Views: 2976083

Re: Blistering blue barnacles

Problem resolved. It turns out I still had the original remote buried in a box of cables in an obscure corner of the house. So my tv is all set up now. Still though, no excuse for leaving the most important key off of the on screen keyboard.
by arbiteroftruth
Thu May 17, 2018 1:38 am UTC
Forum: General
Topic: Blistering blue barnacles
Replies: 28396
Views: 2976083

Re: Blistering blue barnacles

So I want to connect my tv to WiFi. I don't have the original remote, but my cable remote works with the tv. Except, it doesn't seem to realize that navigation arrows and 'select' are things a tv would need. No matter what I try, pressing those buttons registers as a command to the cable box instead...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu May 03, 2018 6:05 pm UTC
Forum: General
Topic: libertarianism, socialism and other wonderful but clearly off-topic matters
Replies: 98
Views: 630

Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Thesh, in your proposal, where does the initial investment come from when creating a new worker cooperative, and what compensation if any does said investing entity receive for the service they provide by accepting the risk inherent in starting a new venture?
by arbiteroftruth
Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:16 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Sexual Harrassment Epidemic
Replies: 538
Views: 38594

Re: Sexual Harrassment Epidemic

I'm not knowledgeable on the subject, but I would guess that the 90 day figure is intended to cover things like hospitalizations or other special reasons for an extended leave of absence, and using it for general absences is an abuse of the intent.
by arbiteroftruth
Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:44 am UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6248
Views: 901585

Re: Police misbehavior thread

@natraj To be clear, I'm not saying j_s's original response wasn't callous or that it shouldn't have been called out. What I'm saying is that since then, he has acknowledged that it was a miscommunication on his part and has clarified what his intent was, and that intended point is genuinely potenti...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:00 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6248
Views: 901585

Re: Police misbehavior thread

If something is so obvious that no one should need it pointed out to them (eg., cops shouldn't kill a man innocently using his cell phone in his own back yard), why not skip to something less obvious but still relevant (eg., look at this additional indication of the poor training that likely contri...
by arbiteroftruth
Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:52 pm UTC
Forum: News & Articles
Topic: Police misbehavior thread
Replies: 6248
Views: 901585

Re: Police misbehavior thread

@ Zohar What makes you think that was the first instinct or the most obvious example of misconduct? If something is so obvious that no one should need it pointed out to them (eg., cops shouldn't kill a man innocently using his cell phone in his own back yard), why not skip to something less obvious ...

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